I don't NEED a tax cut. Do you?

[daveman]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

"Oh, WHY won't the stupid proles just accept I know what's best for them?"

Prove, for example, those earning over $250,000 a year create jobs.

You want to take their money -- you prove they don't create jobs.

Meanwhile, I expect you'll be sending some of your extra money to the government.

 

[chanel]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

Prove, for example, those earning over $250,000 a year create jobs. Some do, but what percentage create jobs? And, what jobs do they 'create'?
Does a heart surgeon create jobs, surely a heart surgeon earns more than 250 k yer year. Every ball player on a major league 40-man roster earns over 400 k per year. How many jobs does one create, a p/t gardner, or pool guy or a housekeeper seems not to meet the standard, but I'll stipulate to those. Don't forget the NBA, NFL, NHL and Movie/TV stars, Recording Artists, some authors - how many jobs do they create. Of course vendors sell hot dogs and beer and popcorn and discs, but the actor or athlete does not create those jobs by their earnings.

Small subchapter S corporations often earn over 250K. Builders, plumbers, electricians, bar and restaurant owners, etc. Will they hire more people with a tax cut? Probably not. But they certainly do create jobs. Small business is the engine that drives this country.

I've heard Republicans say that 80% of those making over 250K are small businesses. I've heard Obama say that 98% do not. I believe the figure is probably somewhere in between. I've got friends with full time jobs who have side businesses party planning, selling crafts, etc. and make next to nothing because it is a hobby. Those "businesses" are most likely included in the president's figure.

 

[asterism]

You may lol all you please; if true, the R's knew it would expire in ten years, so the general conclusion remains valid. The observation, the passage was done through the reconciliation process, simply provides more evidence of the hypocrisy of the R's and the clowns who support them.
Bush signed the tax cuts which beneftited the very wealthy to a much greater extent then the rest of us, it did not provide jobs, it's stimulation of the economy is a unproven as is the premise the wealthy will produce jobs simply bacause they enjoy greater income.
Not one of the echo chamber stated or impled a tax cut would provide anyone a job. Now, I can't imagine anyone who posts here with the regularity of those members of the echo chamber are wealthy - as in the top 2% - so my conclusion that the half of the American people with below average intelligence must include those in the echo chamber.

And there it is, the typical leftist elitist response:

"If you disagree with me, you're stupid."

Didn't you learn anything from the last election, dumbass? Talking down to people is no way to get them to agree with you.

Davey boy, I never said you were stupid. I simply pointed out you and those on your side of the issue who post on this MB are below average in intelligence. Though some may hold opinons and vote not in there own best interest for many 'reasons', they do so not by reasoning (critically thinking).
Hence the popularity of the conservative media, it provides an emotional push to the right for those too dim or too lazy to sort through the issues, many of which are complicated. The tea party mentality - simple solutions to complex matters - appeals to them (and you).
Good morning.

The irony here is that a retired government worker who has never competed in the private workforce simply cannot understand why government workers with big pensions are held in contempt by all those they criticize for not being smart enough to get his lofty position.

Also, this is why high level law enforcement bureaucrats are looked at with a bit of a critical eye when they so very easily condescend to the rest of society - life is good at the top isn't it?

 

[asterism]

Man, them Fabian socialist progressives are regular Dale Carnegies with that voter outreach thingie.

Oh, why don't the stupid proles understand they need liberals to do their thinking for them?! *stamps feet, pouts*

Not just thinking for them, having complete authority by virtue of law!

Behind every crooked cop is a rich law enforcement manager.

 

[asterism]

Reason suggests when one is in debt they do not lower their revenue. Seems to follow the deficit - which most agree is a serious problems - needs an influx of money for it to be reduced. Government raises money in two ways, taxes and borrowing (of course we could sell Yellowstone to China, and some actually think that should be on the table).
Extending the Bush tax cuts to those making $250.000 a year - which includes those making over $250,000 (on the first 250k) makes sense; for those who earn more than 250 k per year, targeted tax credits for the hiring of a new employee on income over 250k may make sense.
But, as usual the R's concern is for the very wealthy, not the hoi polloi, for the very wealthy is their base. Compromise is not in their lexicon. Sadly, too many of their base are low or moderate income voters, unable or unwilling to sort through the propaganda which convinces them to vote for matters which are not in their own interests.

Reason for many businessmen is that when one is in debt and their activities are losing money they cut costs or scrap the operation.

But I'm well aware of why cutting costs just isn't part of how government types operate.

 

[daveman]

Man, them Fabian socialist progressives are regular Dale Carnegies with that voter outreach thingie.

Oh, why don't the stupid proles understand they need liberals to do their thinking for them?! *stamps feet, pouts*

Not just thinking for them, having complete authority by virtue of law!

Behind every crooked cop is a rich law enforcement manager.

Someone on here has in his signature: "Liberalism -- ideas so good they have to be mandated by law!"

 

[asterism]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

Please remember that sometimes your comments generate responses all by themselves, no need to disparage everyone else just because you don't like how one of them addresses you, Your Majesty. Put on your big-boy pants and act like you actually have a spine.

Prove, for example, those earning over $250,000 a year create jobs.

I do and I did.

Some do, but what percentage create jobs?

100% of those who think it's a risk they are willing to take, a number that goes down each and every time their costs go up.

And, what jobs do they 'create'?
Does a heart surgeon create jobs, surely a heart surgeon earns more than 250 k yer year. Every ball player on a major league 40-man roster earns over 400 k per year. How many jobs does one create, a p/t gardner, or pool guy or a housekeeper seems not to meet the standard, but I'll stipulate to those. Don't forget the NBA, NFL, NHL and Movie/TV stars, Recording Artists, some authors - how many jobs do they create. Of course vendors sell hot dogs and beer and popcorn and discs, but the actor or athlete does not create those jobs by their earnings.

A heart surgeon is the reason there is the practice in the first place, full off all those administrative personnel, the nurses, the diagnostic technicians, their assistants, and then there is the staff handling the other aspects of an affluent person.

Just remember that people who make high wages typically value their time more than the entrepreneur that does his landscaping. You may consider that to be a lowly job, but it's honest work and I pay my guy $45 an hour to do it. He's very good and he's very efficient.

 

[asterism]

Oh, why don't the stupid proles understand they need liberals to do their thinking for them?! *stamps feet, pouts*

Not just thinking for them, having complete authority by virtue of law!

Behind every crooked cop is a rich law enforcement manager.

Someone on here has in his signature: "Liberalism -- ideas so good they have to be mandated by law!"

HA!

Yeah, people who obviously know that the only way to make it work it to force it on everyone.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

Please remember that sometimes your comments generate responses all by themselves, no need to disparage everyone else just because you don't like how one of them addresses you, Your Majesty. Put on your big-boy pants and act like you actually have a spine.

Prove, for example, those earning over $250,000 a year create jobs.

I do and I did.

Some do, but what percentage create jobs?

100% of those who think it's a risk they are willing to take, a number that goes down each and every time their costs go up.

And, what jobs do they 'create'?
Does a heart surgeon create jobs, surely a heart surgeon earns more than 250 k yer year. Every ball player on a major league 40-man roster earns over 400 k per year. How many jobs does one create, a p/t gardner, or pool guy or a housekeeper seems not to meet the standard, but I'll stipulate to those. Don't forget the NBA, NFL, NHL and Movie/TV stars, Recording Artists, some authors - how many jobs do they create. Of course vendors sell hot dogs and beer and popcorn and discs, but the actor or athlete does not create those jobs by their earnings.

A heart surgeon is the reason there is the practice in the first place, full off all those administrative personnel, the nurses, the diagnostic technicians, their assistants, and then there is the staff handling the other aspects of an affluent person.

Just remember that people who make high wages typically value their time more than the entrepreneur that does his landscaping. You may consider that to be a lowly job, but it's honest work and I pay my guy $45 an hour to do it. He's very good and he's very efficient.

Your heart surgeon response. The fact that s/he makes $250,000 or more has no impact on the hiring of all those you named. None. And by the IRS taking a bit more of his income over the 250 k amount, there is no nexis between that and the amount of support staff.

PS I do not disparage 'everyone', my comments were directed at the echo chamber.

 

[Intense]

Reason suggests when one is in debt they do not lower their revenue. Seems to follow the deficit - which most agree is a serious problems - needs an influx of money for it to be reduced. Government raises money in two ways, taxes and borrowing (of course we could sell Yellowstone to China, and some actually think that should be on the table).
Extending the Bush tax cuts to those making $250.000 a year - which includes those making over $250,000 (on the first 250k) makes sense; for those who earn more than 250 k per year, targeted tax credits for the hiring of a new employee on income over 250k may make sense.
But, as usual the R's concern is for the very wealthy, not the hoi polloi, for the very wealthy is their base. Compromise is not in their lexicon. Sadly, too many of their base are low or moderate income voters, unable or unwilling to sort through the propaganda which convinces them to vote for matters which are not in their own interests.

Reason would dictate that if the cost is too high, it both retards the free exchange and also creates a black market. Reason would also dictate that if the cost of a Toll Road was too high, you would use it less, and jump at the first alternative. You should try running a Lemonade Stand, keeping it in the green, before running a Country.

 

[Intense]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

Prove, for example, those earning over $250,000 a year create jobs. Some do, but what percentage create jobs? And, what jobs do they 'create'?
Does a heart surgeon create jobs, surely a heart surgeon earns more than 250 k yer year. Every ball player on a major league 40-man roster earns over 400 k per year. How many jobs does one create, a p/t gardner, or pool guy or a housekeeper seems not to meet the standard, but I'll stipulate to those. Don't forget the NBA, NFL, NHL and Movie/TV stars, Recording Artists, some authors - how many jobs do they create. Of course vendors sell hot dogs and beer and popcorn and discs, but the actor or athlete does not create those jobs by their earnings.

At what rate are Investments taxed, as opposed to earned income? What do those investments represent? What do you think the chances, of people with more Wealth than you and I, are, of being invested in things that create jobs? What is your Pension invested in?

 

[asterism]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

Please remember that sometimes your comments generate responses all by themselves, no need to disparage everyone else just because you don't like how one of them addresses you, Your Majesty. Put on your big-boy pants and act like you actually have a spine.



I do and I did.



100% of those who think it's a risk they are willing to take, a number that goes down each and every time their costs go up.

And, what jobs do they 'create'?
Does a heart surgeon create jobs, surely a heart surgeon earns more than 250 k yer year. Every ball player on a major league 40-man roster earns over 400 k per year. How many jobs does one create, a p/t gardner, or pool guy or a housekeeper seems not to meet the standard, but I'll stipulate to those. Don't forget the NBA, NFL, NHL and Movie/TV stars, Recording Artists, some authors - how many jobs do they create. Of course vendors sell hot dogs and beer and popcorn and discs, but the actor or athlete does not create those jobs by their earnings.

A heart surgeon is the reason there is the practice in the first place, full off all those administrative personnel, the nurses, the diagnostic technicians, their assistants, and then there is the staff handling the other aspects of an affluent person.

Just remember that people who make high wages typically value their time more than the entrepreneur that does his landscaping. You may consider that to be a lowly job, but it's honest work and I pay my guy $45 an hour to do it. He's very good and he's very efficient.

Your heart surgeon response. The fact that s/he makes $250,000 or more has no impact on the hiring of all those you named. None. And by the IRS taking a bit more of his income over the 250 k amount, there is no nexis between that and the amount of support staff.

I simply disagree, but that's because I understand that medical practices are indeed businesses.

PS I do not disparage 'everyone', my comments were directed at the echo chamber.

We can agree to disagree on that but if you think " I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend" is not disparaging I don't know what to tell you.

I don't think you're stupid for your beliefs, just ignorant that there is more out there than just your perspective. In some way it could also be tied to a specific world view you have, and that's where reasonable disagreement is possible. That typically doesn't start with someone who disparages people merely for having a different opinion.

 

[asterism]

Ah, a burst of echo chamber half-witagrams. If I'm a "dickweed" as oddude suggest, why so much reaction from the echo chamber? A "dickweed" for those who do not know, is a stupid and ineffective male.
My posts are effective, I'll let others decide on whether they are stupid or not. How do I know they are effective? Simple answer, I question why people believe stupid things and that effectively pisses of people who hold beliefs they cannot defend.

Prove, for example, those earning over $250,000 a year create jobs. Some do, but what percentage create jobs? And, what jobs do they 'create'?
Does a heart surgeon create jobs, surely a heart surgeon earns more than 250 k yer year. Every ball player on a major league 40-man roster earns over 400 k per year. How many jobs does one create, a p/t gardner, or pool guy or a housekeeper seems not to meet the standard, but I'll stipulate to those. Don't forget the NBA, NFL, NHL and Movie/TV stars, Recording Artists, some authors - how many jobs do they create. Of course vendors sell hot dogs and beer and popcorn and discs, but the actor or athlete does not create those jobs by their earnings.

At what rate are Investments taxed, as opposed to earned income? What do those investments represent? What do you think the chances, of people with more Wealth than you and I, are, of being invested in things that create jobs? What is your Pension invested in?

Not private police departments, that's for sure.

 

[Trajan]

Actually, the sunset clause is mandated by the reconciliation process.

SUMMARY OF THE BYRD RULE

But his argument was so good. You ruined everything! Damned reality alway's getting in the way of a good argument!!!!!

You may lol all you please; if true, the R's knew it would expire in ten years, so the general conclusion remains valid. The observation, the passage was done through the reconciliation process, simply provides more evidence of the hypocrisy of the R's and the clowns who support them.
Bush signed the tax cuts which beneftited the very wealthy to a much greater extent then the rest of us, it did not provide jobs, it's stimulation of the economy is a unproven as is the premise the wealthy will produce jobs simply bacause they enjoy greater income.
Not one of the echo chamber stated or impled a tax cut would provide anyone a job. Now, I can't imagine anyone who posts here with the regularity of those members of the echo chamber are wealthy - as in the top 2% - so my conclusion that the half of the American people with below average intelligence must include those in the echo chamber.

you are becoming completely unwrapped..your point was tax cuts.

again,a 2 fer- simple English and simple subtraction and addition seems to allude you ...

no one is is getting a cut..do you understand this?..... It will stay the same or go up....

agree- yes or no?

 

[Trajan]

PS I do not disparage 'everyone', my comments were directed at the echo chamber.

what a cop out....Man up......make clear delineations or don't play that card again.

 

[Trajan]

Davey boy, I never said you were stupid. I simply pointed out you and those on your side of the issue who post on this MB are below average in intelligence. Though some may hold opinons and vote not in there own best interest for many 'reasons', they do so not by reasoning (critically thinking).
Hence the popularity of the conservative media, it provides an emotional push to the right for those too dim or too lazy to sort through the issues, many of which are complicated. The tea party mentality - simple solutions to complex matters - appeals to them (and you).
Good morning.

Behold mortals!!!!! Hear me there.............

..I present- he who's offal not stinkith......all hail the butt that emanates Rose pedals..........

 

[Wry Catcher]

Reason suggests when one is in debt they do not lower their revenue. Seems to follow the deficit - which most agree is a serious problems - needs an influx of money for it to be reduced. Government raises money in two ways, taxes and borrowing (of course we could sell Yellowstone to China, and some actually think that should be on the table).
Extending the Bush tax cuts to those making $250.000 a year - which includes those making over $250,000 (on the first 250k) makes sense; for those who earn more than 250 k per year, targeted tax credits for the hiring of a new employee on income over 250k may make sense.
But, as usual the R's concern is for the very wealthy, not the hoi polloi, for the very wealthy is their base. Compromise is not in their lexicon. Sadly, too many of their base are low or moderate income voters, unable or unwilling to sort through the propaganda which convinces them to vote for matters which are not in their own interests.

Reason would dictate that if the cost is too high, it both retards the free exchange and also creates a black market. Reason would also dictate that if the cost of a Toll Road was too high, you would use it less, and jump at the first alternative. You should try running a Lemonade Stand, keeping it in the green, before running a Country.

You might try staying on point once in a while. I have 'played' SimCity. Too many or too few taxes = failure.
Explain how our government can pay off the national debt? Government can raise money three ways: 1) taxes; 2) borrow; or 3) sell assets.
Should we allow the Bush tax cuts to expire? Or, borrow and increase the deficit to provide those earning over $250,000 with tax relief? Of course we might also sell Yosemite National Park to investors from China.
If as has been suggested the relief paid to taxpayers earning over $250,000 creates jobs and therefore money for our treasury, why didn't the Bush Tax cuts of '01 and '03 prevent our current debt crisis?

 

[boedicca]

I have 'played' SimCity. Too many or too few taxes = failure.

And as we all know:

LIFE IMITATES SIM CITY.

 

[Intense]

Wry Catcher;2969393]

Reason suggests when one is in debt they do not lower their revenue. Seems to follow the deficit - which most agree is a serious problems - needs an influx of money for it to be reduced. Government raises money in two ways, taxes and borrowing (of course we could sell Yellowstone to China, and some actually think that should be on the table).
Extending the Bush tax cuts to those making $250.000 a year - which includes those making over $250,000 (on the first 250k) makes sense; for those who earn more than 250 k per year, targeted tax credits for the hiring of a new employee on income over 250k may make sense.
But, as usual the R's concern is for the very wealthy, not the hoi polloi, for the very wealthy is their base. Compromise is not in their lexicon. Sadly, too many of their base are low or moderate income voters, unable or unwilling to sort through the propaganda which convinces them to vote for matters which are not in their own interests.

Reason would dictate that if the cost is too high, it both retards the free exchange and also creates a black market. Reason would also dictate that if the cost of a Toll Road was too high, you would use it less, and jump at the first alternative. You should try running a Lemonade Stand, keeping it in the green, before running a Country.

You might try staying on point once in a while. I have 'played' SimCity. Too many or too few taxes = failure.

I'm on point, you are asked about the rich contributing to job creation, I gave you a very on point answer.

Explain how our government can pay off the national debt? Government can raise money three ways: 1) taxes; 2) borrow; or 3) sell assets.

4) Reduce Expenditures.

Should we allow the Bush tax cuts to expire?

No, we shouldn't. There is more at stake here than Government Worker's and Union Worker's Benefit Package concerns, actually they have a strangle hold already.

Or, borrow and increase the deficit to provide those earning over $250,000 with tax relief?

I don't see them depleting Government Services, do You?

Of course we might also sell Yosemite National Park to investors from China.

They already run the concessions. No, Our National Parks are not the Government's to sell. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. You Raving Lunatic!!!

If as has been suggested the relief paid to taxpayers earning over $250,000 creates jobs and therefore money for our treasury, why didn't the Bush Tax cuts of '01 and '03 prevent our current debt crisis?

[/QUOTE]

Because you spent more than you brought in. Fix the leak, the boat is sinking fast.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I have 'played' SimCity. Too many or too few taxes = failure.

And as we all know:

LIFE IMITATES SIM CITY.

Ignorance is a gift that keeps on giving. SimCity imitates life. It is not real life nor is the lemonade stand (which was a software program on running business).