How Do We Know Jesus Rose Again?

OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
Can you identify all the times Jesus defied Roman authorities or violated Roman laws?

His problem with the money changers wasn't about the Temple Tax. It was about shortchanging the poor and the pilgrims to the Temple. They were just cheating the poor.


for a "scholar" such as yourself--SURADIE, your statement is EXCRUTIATINGLY IDIOTIC.
There is EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE that the PHARISEES despised the money changers who were lackeys of the ROMAN APPOINTED SADDUCEAN priests-------try to learn a bit of history. The foray into the temple courtyard nails Jesus for what he was-----a ROME HATING PHARISEE. It was an act of SEDITION AGAINST ROME and had nothing to do with short-changing anyone-------well----at least you did not do the usual sunday school bs ---"da high priests were grabbing taxes from da poor"
Jesus committed no crime against Rome. That’s why he bounced around between Herod and Pilate. None could find blame.

try again------he was a fugitive from ROMAN JUSTICE until the Sadducean "HIGH PRIEST" CAIAPHAS handed him over to PONTIUS PILATE. You really want to believe that fairy tale that Pontius washed his hands? You really want to believe that THE JEWS "wanted to kill him"-----but just could not figure out how to do it? "The jews liked" Herod, Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas with equal and reciprocated passion at that time <<<< it is a very suppressed history--------kinda like the suppression of the ongoing body count in the major cities like New York, Portland, Chicago-----etc etc
Your fantasy only lies in your head. It’s well documented what Pilate said about Jesus, even non Christian historians of the time.

non-christian historians like Constantine, Paul
and some guy from no-where like "JOHN"----and, of course LUKE. Read some real history.
Feel free to link.
But I’m referring to Tacitus and Joesephus who lived at the time.

the only references to Jesus in the writing of
JOSEPHUS-----have been determined to be
insertions (tiny little insertions at that) and-----as far as I recall NEVER quoted Pilate. As to Tacitus, his comment SIMPLY confirms the ALREADY widely known belief that Jesus was crucified----ie nothing new or unique. ----no
handwashing history------lots of "Pilate crucified lots pharisees" (Josephus was a
pharisee)
And none of the disciples were murdered?

Peter was murdered in Rome
 
Saint Peter resided in Rome and suffered a martyr's death there in the year 67 A.D., at the time of the Christian persecutions during the reign of the emperor Nero. The exact place of his martyrdom is unknown. Historians believe Saint Peter was crucified upside down in Nero's amphitheater, which was situated where the Vatican now stands.
Did the Apostle Peter Die in Rome? - Catholic Bridge
catholicbridge.com/catholic/did-peter-die-in-rome.php
 
Peter was murdered in Rome
Is that so? Perhaps it is, but is it verifiable?

Though legend declares Peter a martyr in Rome, that is unfounded, as canon relates his connections in Jerusalem up to the eve of the dissolution of the Jewish state.

oh------so the POPE thing is invalid? Canon-------the thing put together in 325 AD?
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
Can you identify all the times Jesus defied Roman authorities or violated Roman laws?

His problem with the money changers wasn't about the Temple Tax. It was about shortchanging the poor and the pilgrims to the Temple. They were just cheating the poor.


for a "scholar" such as yourself--SURADIE, your statement is EXCRUTIATINGLY IDIOTIC.
There is EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE that the PHARISEES despised the money changers who were lackeys of the ROMAN APPOINTED SADDUCEAN priests-------try to learn a bit of history. The foray into the temple courtyard nails Jesus for what he was-----a ROME HATING PHARISEE. It was an act of SEDITION AGAINST ROME and had nothing to do with short-changing anyone-------well----at least you did not do the usual sunday school bs ---"da high priests were grabbing taxes from da poor"
Jesus committed no crime against Rome. That’s why he bounced around between Herod and Pilate. None could find blame.

try again------he was a fugitive from ROMAN JUSTICE until the Sadducean "HIGH PRIEST" CAIAPHAS handed him over to PONTIUS PILATE. You really want to believe that fairy tale that Pontius washed his hands? You really want to believe that THE JEWS "wanted to kill him"-----but just could not figure out how to do it? "The jews liked" Herod, Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas with equal and reciprocated passion at that time <<<< it is a very suppressed history--------kinda like the suppression of the ongoing body count in the major cities like New York, Portland, Chicago-----etc etc
Your fantasy only lies in your head. It’s well documented what Pilate said about Jesus, even non Christian historians of the time.

non-christian historians like Constantine, Paul
and some guy from no-where like "JOHN"----and, of course LUKE. Read some real history.
Feel free to link.
But I’m referring to Tacitus and Joesephus who lived at the time.

the only references to Jesus in the writing of
JOSEPHUS-----have been determined to be
insertions (tiny little insertions at that) and-----as far as I recall NEVER quoted Pilate. As to Tacitus, his comment SIMPLY confirms the ALREADY widely known belief that Jesus was crucified----ie nothing new or unique. ----no
handwashing history------lots of "Pilate crucified lots pharisees" (Josephus was a
pharisee)
And none of the disciples were murdered?

Peter was murdered in Rome
Why was he murdered?
Oh yeah. He knew.
 
Look at the evidence. The existence of Jesus is not in question, his followers and those who never followed him write of his existence.

But how do we know he rose?
Circumstantial evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

First, it was a woman who came back and told the sulking men Jesus had returned. If men are going to write a fictional account, they aren’t going to put the woman in the spotlight and the men in the woe is me self pity role.

Second, the question of delusions. Many of the witnesses who saw him did not recognize him at first. Every psychologist will tell you people who have delusions will not do that.

Third, the actions of those who witnessed a risen Jesus. The eleven disciples spent the rest of their lives in great mortal danger spreading the word on what they had witnessed. All but one were eventually murdered for doing so. John died of natural causes banished on a remote island for spreading his account. People are not going to suffer and die for something they know is false.
A. Jesus having existed is not a given.

B. How do we know some bronze age con-man didn't hide the corpse and set himself up as a god?
Did Alexander the Great or Plato exist?
Of course, although plato might not be so sure.
Yet the earliest record of Alexander the Great is 400 years after his death, Plato 1,400 years after.
That's not so in plato's case.

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Acts 8:9-22 ...'But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.'
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
That particular figure (Yehuda the Galilean) also was known that his flock would burn and rob houses of anyone who paid their Roman tax- sort of like the archaic age Antifa. So he was sentenced for his tax revolt, because he didn't have an archaic age Kamala Harris to bail him out.
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
That particular figure (Yehuda the Galilean) also was known that his flock would burn and rob houses of anyone who paid their Roman tax- sort of like the archaic age Antifa. So he was sentenced for his tax revolt, because he didn't have an archaic age Kamala Harris to bail him out.

Who teaches such a thing?
 
In the North around Galilee and the Decapolis cities. They were more prosperous than Jerusalem and the Jews despised them. Jesus went to Jerusalem for the Passover.


I realize they did not teach you certain things at the Madrassas you attended, but Jesus was Jewish, Himself.
 
In the North around Galilee and the Decapolis cities. They were more prosperous than Jerusalem and the Jews despised them. Jesus went to Jerusalem for the Passover.


I realize they did not teach you certain things at the Madrassas you attended, but Jesus was Jewish, Himself.

Of course Jesus was Jewish but the Jerusalemites despised Jews from the north and considered them Half breeds and bad Jews.
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
Can you identify all the times Jesus defied Roman authorities or violated Roman laws?

His problem with the money changers wasn't about the Temple Tax. It was about shortchanging the poor and the pilgrims to the Temple. They were just cheating the poor.


for a "scholar" such as yourself--SURADIE, your statement is EXCRUTIATINGLY IDIOTIC.
There is EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE that the PHARISEES despised the money changers who were lackeys of the ROMAN APPOINTED SADDUCEAN priests-------try to learn a bit of history. The foray into the temple courtyard nails Jesus for what he was-----a ROME HATING PHARISEE. It was an act of SEDITION AGAINST ROME and had nothing to do with short-changing anyone-------well----at least you did not do the usual sunday school bs ---"da high priests were grabbing taxes from da poor"
Jesus committed no crime against Rome. That’s why he bounced around between Herod and Pilate. None could find blame.

try again------he was a fugitive from ROMAN JUSTICE until the Sadducean "HIGH PRIEST" CAIAPHAS handed him over to PONTIUS PILATE. You really want to believe that fairy tale that Pontius washed his hands? You really want to believe that THE JEWS "wanted to kill him"-----but just could not figure out how to do it? "The jews liked" Herod, Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas with equal and reciprocated passion at that time <<<< it is a very suppressed history--------kinda like the suppression of the ongoing body count in the major cities like New York, Portland, Chicago-----etc etc
Your fantasy only lies in your head. It’s well documented what Pilate said about Jesus, even non Christian historians of the time.

non-christian historians like Constantine, Paul
and some guy from no-where like "JOHN"----and, of course LUKE. Read some real history.
Feel free to link.
But I’m referring to Tacitus and Joesephus who lived at the time.

the only references to Jesus in the writing of
JOSEPHUS-----have been determined to be
insertions (tiny little insertions at that) and-----as far as I recall NEVER quoted Pilate. As to Tacitus, his comment SIMPLY confirms the ALREADY widely known belief that Jesus was crucified----ie nothing new or unique. ----no
handwashing history------lots of "Pilate crucified lots pharisees" (Josephus was a
pharisee)
And none of the disciples were murdered?

Peter was murdered in Rome
Why was he murdered?
Oh yeah. He knew.

he "knew" what? -------
In the North around Galilee and the Decapolis cities. They were more prosperous than Jerusalem and the Jews despised them. Jesus went to Jerusalem for the Passover.


I realize they did not teach you certain things at the Madrassas you attended, but Jesus was Jewish, Himself.

Of course Jesus was Jewish but the Jerusalemites despised Jews from the north and considered them Half breeds and bad Jews.

its that highly profitable desalinization plant
on Mount Carmel-----surada KNOWS
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
Can you identify all the times Jesus defied Roman authorities or violated Roman laws?

His problem with the money changers wasn't about the Temple Tax. It was about shortchanging the poor and the pilgrims to the Temple. They were just cheating the poor.


for a "scholar" such as yourself--SURADIE, your statement is EXCRUTIATINGLY IDIOTIC.
There is EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE that the PHARISEES despised the money changers who were lackeys of the ROMAN APPOINTED SADDUCEAN priests-------try to learn a bit of history. The foray into the temple courtyard nails Jesus for what he was-----a ROME HATING PHARISEE. It was an act of SEDITION AGAINST ROME and had nothing to do with short-changing anyone-------well----at least you did not do the usual sunday school bs ---"da high priests were grabbing taxes from da poor"
Jesus committed no crime against Rome. That’s why he bounced around between Herod and Pilate. None could find blame.

try again------he was a fugitive from ROMAN JUSTICE until the Sadducean "HIGH PRIEST" CAIAPHAS handed him over to PONTIUS PILATE. You really want to believe that fairy tale that Pontius washed his hands? You really want to believe that THE JEWS "wanted to kill him"-----but just could not figure out how to do it? "The jews liked" Herod, Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas with equal and reciprocated passion at that time <<<< it is a very suppressed history--------kinda like the suppression of the ongoing body count in the major cities like New York, Portland, Chicago-----etc etc
Your fantasy only lies in your head. It’s well documented what Pilate said about Jesus, even non Christian historians of the time.

non-christian historians like Constantine, Paul
and some guy from no-where like "JOHN"----and, of course LUKE. Read some real history.
Feel free to link.
But I’m referring to Tacitus and Joesephus who lived at the time.

the only references to Jesus in the writing of
JOSEPHUS-----have been determined to be
insertions (tiny little insertions at that) and-----as far as I recall NEVER quoted Pilate. As to Tacitus, his comment SIMPLY confirms the ALREADY widely known belief that Jesus was crucified----ie nothing new or unique. ----no
handwashing history------lots of "Pilate crucified lots pharisees" (Josephus was a
pharisee)
And none of the disciples were murdered?

Peter was murdered in Rome
Why was he murdered?
Oh yeah. He knew.

he "knew" what? -------
In the North around Galilee and the Decapolis cities. They were more prosperous than Jerusalem and the Jews despised them. Jesus went to Jerusalem for the Passover.


I realize they did not teach you certain things at the Madrassas you attended, but Jesus was Jewish, Himself.

Of course Jesus was Jewish but the Jerusalemites despised Jews from the north and considered them Half breeds and bad Jews.

its that highly profitable desalinization plant
on Mount Carmel-----surada KNOWS

Are you talking about California?
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
Can you identify all the times Jesus defied Roman authorities or violated Roman laws?

His problem with the money changers wasn't about the Temple Tax. It was about shortchanging the poor and the pilgrims to the Temple. They were just cheating the poor.


for a "scholar" such as yourself--SURADIE, your statement is EXCRUTIATINGLY IDIOTIC.
There is EXTENSIVE EVIDENCE that the PHARISEES despised the money changers who were lackeys of the ROMAN APPOINTED SADDUCEAN priests-------try to learn a bit of history. The foray into the temple courtyard nails Jesus for what he was-----a ROME HATING PHARISEE. It was an act of SEDITION AGAINST ROME and had nothing to do with short-changing anyone-------well----at least you did not do the usual sunday school bs ---"da high priests were grabbing taxes from da poor"
Jesus committed no crime against Rome. That’s why he bounced around between Herod and Pilate. None could find blame.

try again------he was a fugitive from ROMAN JUSTICE until the Sadducean "HIGH PRIEST" CAIAPHAS handed him over to PONTIUS PILATE. You really want to believe that fairy tale that Pontius washed his hands? You really want to believe that THE JEWS "wanted to kill him"-----but just could not figure out how to do it? "The jews liked" Herod, Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas with equal and reciprocated passion at that time <<<< it is a very suppressed history--------kinda like the suppression of the ongoing body count in the major cities like New York, Portland, Chicago-----etc etc
Your fantasy only lies in your head. It’s well documented what Pilate said about Jesus, even non Christian historians of the time.

non-christian historians like Constantine, Paul
and some guy from no-where like "JOHN"----and, of course LUKE. Read some real history.
Feel free to link.
But I’m referring to Tacitus and Joesephus who lived at the time.

the only references to Jesus in the writing of
JOSEPHUS-----have been determined to be
insertions (tiny little insertions at that) and-----as far as I recall NEVER quoted Pilate. As to Tacitus, his comment SIMPLY confirms the ALREADY widely known belief that Jesus was crucified----ie nothing new or unique. ----no
handwashing history------lots of "Pilate crucified lots pharisees" (Josephus was a
pharisee)
And none of the disciples were murdered?

Peter was murdered in Rome
Why was he murdered?
Oh yeah. He knew.

he "knew" what? -------
In the North around Galilee and the Decapolis cities. They were more prosperous than Jerusalem and the Jews despised them. Jesus went to Jerusalem for the Passover.


I realize they did not teach you certain things at the Madrassas you attended, but Jesus was Jewish, Himself.

Of course Jesus was Jewish but the Jerusalemites despised Jews from the north and considered them Half breeds and bad Jews.

its that highly profitable desalinization plant
on Mount Carmel-----surada KNOWS

Are you talking about California?

wine country-------the water turns to WINE
 
OK. Let me get this straight.

So some dude named Jesus is a bit of a rabble rouser. Often rails against the local and Roman government.

Then one day he gathers up a gang of a dozen thugs and occupies and violently attacks a market while armed with a scourge. And took the coins.

That's called armed robbery in today's parlance.

Today that could get you several years in prison.

Back then, armed robbery could get you crucified.
That particular figure (Yehuda the Galilean) also was known that his flock would burn and rob houses of anyone who paid their Roman tax- sort of like the archaic age Antifa. So he was sentenced for his tax revolt, because he didn't have an archaic age Kamala Harris to bail him out.

Who teaches such a thing?
I've left the source many times, it's Josephus who records his and his band of rebels antics.
The Galilean christ tax revolter Yehuda in the time of Herod was hated by Rome for his revolt but also the people Josephus wrote were bullied by Yehuda and his followers, if they paid the tax the flock of rebels would burn down their house or rob them.
NOTE: Luke mentions him once, in
Acts 5:37, and Josephus several times, once here, sect. 6; and B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2; Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1; and ch. 17. sect. 8, calls this Judas, who was the pestilent author of that seditious doctrine and temper which brought the Jewish nation to utter destruction, a Galilean; but here (sect. 1) Josephus calls him a Gaulonite, of the city of Gamala; it is a great question where this Judas was born, whether in Galilee on the west side, or in Gaulonitis on the east side, of the river Jordan; while, in the place just now cited out of the Antiquities, B. XX. ch. 5. sect. 2, he is not only called a Galilean, but it is added to his story, "as I have signified in the books that go before these," as if he had still called him a Galilean in those Antiquities before, as well as in that particular place, as Dean Aldrich observes, Of the War, B. II. ch. 8. sect. 1.
 
Look at the evidence. The existence of Jesus is not in question, his followers and those who never followed him write of his existence.

But how do we know he rose?
Circumstantial evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

First, it was a woman who came back and told the sulking men Jesus had returned. If men are going to write a fictional account, they aren’t going to put the woman in the spotlight and the men in the woe is me self pity role.

Second, the question of delusions. Many of the witnesses who saw him did not recognize him at first. Every psychologist will tell you people who have delusions will not do that.

Third, the actions of those who witnessed a risen Jesus. The eleven disciples spent the rest of their lives in great mortal danger spreading the word on what they had witnessed. All but one were eventually murdered for doing so. John died of natural causes banished on a remote island for spreading his account. People are not going to suffer and die for something they know is false.

It is a lot like the story Joseph Smith told the Mormons or L Ron Hubbard told Scientologists.

You just gotta trust them

The book of Mormon is even worse than the bible, since it has no historical footing at all.

Sure it does.

Joseph Smith existed
Jesus existed
Definition of a cult is it originated from one person as a sole source.
Stay on topic or get reported.

Reported to whom? The church police?
 
All of Jesus' parables are about the kingdom of God. Every single one. Some of them also include a very obvious antagonist to the kingdom, which was the Jews. They were the ones who ended up slaughtered before Christ in the Jewish Revolt.

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me. (Lk 19:27)

After telling another parable, the Jews would have arrested him if not for others holding them back (Lk 20:19). Jesus spoke not against their descendants or anyone else in the distant future. Or Rome. He spoke against them, these very Jews in that very generation.

In that revolt was a five-month period of torment that ended when smoke from a great furnace blocked the sun (Rv 9:2-5). The temple burned to the ground. “It is done!” proclaimed God from the crumbling edifice (Rv 16:17-21). Although the Scriptures nowhere mention the term “final judgment,” Old Covenant Israel clearly undergoes this fate. The tribes of the once-great Abrahamic empire are shaken. The established citadels of power suffer the fury of God’s wrath. The islands flee and the mountains disappear.

The Romans were never the object of God's wrath. The temple people were. The prophets expressed this foreboding fate all through the Old Testament.

As for Christ's resurrection, well that's even more obvious in the Scriptures. The problem, though, is history. History affirms the end of the age. It doesn't affirm a risen Christ, though. That affirmation is for the faithful.
 

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