They all have degrees PC, they're not just some slug off the street like some Homeschoolers can be.
Homeschooling: Your Views, Please
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Wake
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I don't discount that there may be some "slugs off the street" that are homeschoolers, but I can't seem to find them among the many publicly-schooled slugs off the street. I suppose I need some help pointing them out.
Publically schooled people also need a degree to teach. That should also be required for homeschoolers.
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I don't know about that. But I do think some sort of monitoring is necessary. I know a woman who took her kids out, claimed to HS and both kids don't have any education above middle school.
My point is that the choice is the parent's, not the state's. While vouchers are fine, I for one don't base my decisions on government incentives and I surely don't depend on them.
Who are we to judge others? A parent is qualified by being a parent. A responsible parent would recognize their own limitations and act accordingly...but it's not our business to force the issue based on our personal opinions of them.
To me, it's just a little scary the way homeschooling has been trending. I am all for the niece who has the degrees, she is a very responsible girl and will do her job making sure they will study. I just don't see everyone being that responsible.
1. Degrees don't necessarily mean that they can impart knowledge. I'm sure we've all had teachers who fit that description.
There is no convincing evidence that certified teachers are more effective in the classroom or that ed-school-based training helps. Education Schools Project
See http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dstaiger/Papers/nyc fellows march 2006.pdf for evidence that certification has very little effect on student achievement.
“…private schools appear to do fine- perhaps better-without being compelled to hire state certified teachers.” Chester Finn, “Troublemaker,” p. 283.
2. And when you referred to a homeschooler looking for work in the porn industry...
Would you like a dozen or so recent articles on licensed teachers canned or arrested for immoral behavior?
(It's pretty 'interesting' reading....)
I disagree. Licenses and certifications are nothing but barriers to entry. A piece of paper is not a panacea that guarantees competence.
In NYC we have to submit reports four times a year, and our children have to take the same standardized exams as publicly schooled children do.
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Well, every bad public school teacher also holds a degree.
PC I can predict what you are going to say just about all the time now. Let me just post a formal disagreement here and now. I disagree with you.
Please understand that doesn't mean I don't like you, I just can't ever agree.
RD, well duh. We're not all perfect but I trust a degreed individual to teach my kids more than just anyone who decided to do it one day.
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I appreciate you saying that, truly, but I don't object in any way.
I would like you to note that I have documented things that I post....as in #668, as both experience and study have informed my views.
I use on-line courses from K12.com, prepared by professionals, with assessments in every course, each day.
You can take a look at some of their lessons and judge for yourself.
And, as a member of a number of homeschooling groups, I can assure you that there are a number of good curricula, both on line and from books.
That's just not true. They don't ever have any interaction or competition with other kids and their views.
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Sarah, though we're a bit at odds here I'm aiming to have a respectful conversation with you.
Homeschooling is something that, to me, is very personal. My father was a computer engineer, and my mother a loving housewife.
Christian Liberty Academy delivered a very heavy package at the start of each school year. Entailed within were all my books, tests, you name it. My mother would try to teach me the best she could, but more often than not I'd simply devour my books and go about doing my own schooling myself. I would take the exams and answer them as I could and pass them on to my mother for grading. I loved mathematics and science, so I could complete those heavy books within a few weeks if I wanted to, or sooner. Dad would monitor my progress, and help me with any of the more technical questions that my mother didn't understand. He would also create supplemental exams with his own difficult twist on it.
I do believe I was engaged in my studies. I suffered from ADHD, and I hated doing my studies. It was only after I realized I could get make it all stop if I got them done that I basically consumed it all before the time it took to generally complete them. In a way I was my own teacher, teaching myself to learn. I would study each book, answer and create my own questions, and gauge my own progress. I wanted to have a mastery of the knowledge in preparation for my exams, and my father's personalized exams.
Homeschooling is a valid alternative to the dumbed down expectations of the public school system. Much of those children were far more social than I was... but many were far dumber than I was, too. Being homeschooled, like being publicly-schooled, doesn't guarantee success. For the former it depends on the family and its effort, and for the latter it depends on the teacher and his or her willingness to come to you out of a group of 20+ students and help you where you don't understand things.
I don't want our biased government getting its tentacles in our systems of homeschooling. People want to be able to educate their children the way they want to without having the government teach the children what that fallible entity believes is or isn't right. I may not have been a social butterfly after homeschooling, but I came out unscathed, without having been subjected to any of the horrors that can be found in the public school system. In the past I mentioned that the reason for me being homeschooled was because 4 male students with wet, twisted towels decided to gang up on me when I was in the locker room of our swim class. They whipped me so hard on my bare skin that I was left with bloody welts. Your weak teachers do virtually nothing about bullying. Either I was to be homeschooled or endure the torment until I blew up and killed my tormentors. That's it. I also didn't fornicate, do drugs, act like an immense idiot, or do any of the other stupid things you see publicly-schooled teens do. Much of it leaves me wondering what's wrong with that person.
There are many benefits to homeschooling children.
Homeschooling is something that, to me, is very personal. My father was a computer engineer, and my mother a loving housewife.
Christian Liberty Academy delivered a very heavy package at the start of each school year. Entailed within were all my books, tests, you name it. My mother would try to teach me the best she could, but more often than not I'd simply devour my books and go about doing my own schooling myself. I would take the exams and answer them as I could and pass them on to my mother for grading. I loved mathematics and science, so I could complete those heavy books within a few weeks if I wanted to, or sooner. Dad would monitor my progress, and help me with any of the more technical questions that my mother didn't understand. He would also create supplemental exams with his own difficult twist on it.
I do believe I was engaged in my studies. I suffered from ADHD, and I hated doing my studies. It was only after I realized I could get make it all stop if I got them done that I basically consumed it all before the time it took to generally complete them. In a way I was my own teacher, teaching myself to learn. I would study each book, answer and create my own questions, and gauge my own progress. I wanted to have a mastery of the knowledge in preparation for my exams, and my father's personalized exams.
Homeschooling is a valid alternative to the dumbed down expectations of the public school system. Much of those children were far more social than I was... but many were far dumber than I was, too. Being homeschooled, like being publicly-schooled, doesn't guarantee success. For the former it depends on the family and its effort, and for the latter it depends on the teacher and his or her willingness to come to you out of a group of 20+ students and help you where you don't understand things.
I don't want our biased government getting its tentacles in our systems of homeschooling. People want to be able to educate their children the way they want to without having the government teach the children what that fallible entity believes is or isn't right. I may not have been a social butterfly after homeschooling, but I came out unscathed, without having been subjected to any of the horrors that can be found in the public school system. In the past I mentioned that the reason for me being homeschooled was because 4 male students with wet, twisted towels decided to gang up on me when I was in the locker room of our swim class. They whipped me so hard on my bare skin that I was left with bloody welts. Your weak teachers do virtually nothing about bullying. Either I was to be homeschooled or endure the torment until I blew up and killed my tormentors. That's it. I also didn't fornicate, do drugs, act like an immense idiot, or do any of the other stupid things you see publicly-schooled teens do. Much of it leaves me wondering what's wrong with that person.
There are many benefits to homeschooling children.
If homeschooled kids performed worse than their government schooled counterparts, you could have a valid point. They don't, and you don't.
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