Homeschooling: Your Views, Please

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I was homeschooled as a child.

There are arguments made for and against it.

Would you please share your views on it here?

Many parents provide an equal or sometimes even better education than schools could , but many many more do not.

And in EVERY case of home schooling the child is socially hampered.

 

[Pogo]

If intelligent parents do it right, homeschooling might be better. Some schools are crap. Others are okay, but depends on where you live.

Some teachers are dealing with a class where different languages are spoken. Huge hindrance to learning.

Which is an excellent argument for making English the official language of the land--the language everybody is expected to learn and know to participate in government, business, and academia. There was a time in America when new immigrants were expected to learn sufficient English to pass their immigration exam and take their oath of allegiance to the USA in English in order to become U.S. citizens. They were expected to learn English on their own dime and that included English instruction for their children who were expected to be proficient enough in the language to be able to do competent schoolwork in English.

What do you mean by "there was a time"? Has that changed?

Doesn't look like it here...

The Naturalization Test
To become a naturalized U.S. citizen, you must pass the naturalization test. At your naturalization interview, you will be required to answer questions about your application and background. You will also take an English and civics test unless you qualify for an exemption or waiver.​

I am guessing that what has changed, in addition to our laws being completely ignored, is that there are far more waivers and people exempt from having to follow them.

Well that's the current regs, and even the only waiver mentioned requires you to be in your 50s or older (presumably because learning a second language is harder as you get older) and already established --

You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

• Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
  OR
• Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).

-- which means for anyone just coming in, regardless of age, English is still required.​

 

[Unkotare]

There was a time in America when new immigrants were expected to learn sufficient English to pass their immigration exam and take their oath of allegiance to the USA in English in order to become U.S. citizens.

That is still the case, so you can calm down.

 

[Unkotare]

Many parents provide an equal or sometimes even better education than schools could , but many many more do not.

And in EVERY case of home schooling the child is socially hampered.

You don't know any of that.

 

[Foxfyre]

There was a time in America when new immigrants were expected to learn sufficient English to pass their immigration exam and take their oath of allegiance to the USA in English in order to become U.S. citizens.

That is still the case, so you can calm down.

Is it? Then why do we require DMVs, ballots, official instructions, public education, etc. to be provided in more than one language? Why is so much in government resources devoted to accommodate non-English speakers? Why is the burden now on the taxpayer to see that non-English speakers are accommodated in the public schools?

The laws have not changed, but I know of more than one liberal judge who allowed new immigrants to take their oath of citizenship in their native language. Also a large percentage, maybe 40 to 50% of immigrants eligible to become U.S. citizens have not done so because they didn't get around to learning English. They get almost all the benefits of citizenship without being citizens, so unless voting or obtaining an American passport or such as that is important to them, why bother?

 

[Unkotare]

There was a time in America when new immigrants were expected to learn sufficient English to pass their immigration exam and take their oath of allegiance to the USA in English in order to become U.S. citizens.

That is still the case, so you can calm down.

Is it?

Yes it is. Feel better?

 

[Unkotare]

why do we require DMVs, ballots, official instructions, public education, etc. to be provided in more than one language?

1) Some services are offered for practical reasons

2) Being a native speaker of English is not required to be a citizen

3) Ever heard of due process?

4) Bilingual education is not a requirement

You really don't have to be so frightened.

 

[Unkotare]

Also a large percentage, maybe 40 to 50% of immigrants eligible to become U.S. citizens have not done so because they didn't get around to learning English.

Link? Proof? No? Yeah...

 

[Pogo]

There was a time in America when new immigrants were expected to learn sufficient English to pass their immigration exam and take their oath of allegiance to the USA in English in order to become U.S. citizens.

That is still the case, so you can calm down.

Is it? Then why do we require DMVs, ballots, official instructions, public education, etc. to be provided in more than one language? Why is so much in government resources devoted to accommodate non-English speakers? Why is the burden now on the taxpayer to see that non-English speakers are accommodated in the public schools?

The laws have not changed, but I know of more than one liberal judge who allowed new immigrants to take their oath of citizenship in their native language. Also a large percentage, maybe 40 to 50% of immigrants eligible to become U.S. citizens have not done so because they didn't get around to learning English. They get almost all the benefits of citizenship without being citizens, so unless voting or obtaining an American passport or such as that is important to them, why bother?

DMVs, ballots, official instructions, public education, etc are not citizenship tests. I don't know that such multilingual forms are "required" but ... why does Canada require public signs to be in both English and French? There's your answer methinks.

I've got food and drug products that are printed in way more than two languages including Russian and Chinese. Obviously one just uses the one that one is literate in; so what if it's inclusive?

Anyway to stay on track your implication was not whether citizenship for a given migrant is a good idea or not; it was that English isn't required for citizenship, but actually it is.

 

[Unkotare]

In 1898, the Sears,Roebuck catalog was available in German and Swedish as well as English. I'll bet everyone in 1898 was lamenting the fact that "immigrants used to be required to speak English, and those who came here wanted to leave behind everything of their old culture and language, etc., etc."


That must have been like their "press 2 for Spanish." Just pissing everyone off!

 

[hadit]

I was homeschooled as a child.

There are arguments made for and against it.

Would you please share your views on it here?

Many parents provide an equal or sometimes even better education than schools could , but many many more do not.

And in EVERY case of home schooling the child is socially hampered.

That is incorrect. What you get are young adults who are better prepared to interact in the adult world of reality. I will require some proof of your statement before I could accept it.

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

If intelligent parents do it right, homeschooling might be better. Some schools are crap. Others are okay, but depends on where you live.

Some teachers are dealing with a class where different languages are spoken. Huge hindrance to learning.

Which is an excellent argument for making English the official language of the land--the language everybody is expected to learn and know to participate in government, business, and academia. There was a time in America when new immigrants were expected to learn sufficient English to pass their immigration exam and take their oath of allegiance to the USA in English in order to become U.S. citizens. They were expected to learn English on their own dime and that included English instruction for their children who were expected to be proficient enough in the language to be able to do competent schoolwork in English.

What do you mean by "there was a time"? Has that changed?

Doesn't look like it here...

The Naturalization Test
To become a naturalized U.S. citizen, you must pass the naturalization test. At your naturalization interview, you will be required to answer questions about your application and background. You will also take an English and civics test unless you qualify for an exemption or waiver.​

I am guessing that what has changed, in addition to our laws being completely ignored, is that there are far more waivers and people exempt from having to follow them.

Well that's the current regs, and even the only waiver mentioned requires you to be in your 50s or older (presumably because learning a second language is harder as you get older) and already established --

You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

• Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
  OR
• Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).

-- which means for anyone just coming in, regardless of age, English is still required.​

Who the **** gonna live here for 20 years and not speak English?

 

[Pogo]

I am guessing that what has changed, in addition to our laws being completely ignored, is that there are far more waivers and people exempt from having to follow them.

Well that's the current regs, and even the only waiver mentioned requires you to be in your 50s or older (presumably because learning a second language is harder as you get older) and already established --

You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

• Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
  OR
• Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).

-- which means for anyone just coming in, regardless of age, English is still required.​

Who the **** gonna live here for 20 years and not speak English?

Don't get out much huh?

 

[SmarterThanTheAverageBear]

I am guessing that what has changed, in addition to our laws being completely ignored, is that there are far more waivers and people exempt from having to follow them.

Well that's the current regs, and even the only waiver mentioned requires you to be in your 50s or older (presumably because learning a second language is harder as you get older) and already established --

You Are Exempt From The English Language Requirement, But Are Still Required To Take The Civics Test If You Are:

• Age 50 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident (green card holder) in the United States for 20 years (commonly referred to as the “50/20” exception).
  OR
• Age 55 or older at the time of filing for naturalization and have lived as a permanent resident in the United States for 15 years (commonly referred to as the “55/15” exception).

-- which means for anyone just coming in, regardless of age, English is still required.​

Who the **** gonna live here for 20 years and not speak English?

Don't get out much huh?

On the contrary. The moral of the story is THEY speak English, they just don't want YOU to know that.

 

[Pogo]

Whatever dood. You've completely lost the point. Which is done. Move along, nothing to see here, show's over....

 

[P@triot]

This man knocks it out of the park. An epic response which cannot be disputed...

Behold Here Are the Two Worst Arguments Against Homeschooling TheBlaze.com

 

[Dan Daly]

The education of the child is a function of the parent...not the state. The parent can delegate part of that education to the state or others if they desire.

 

[Sarah G]

Getting back to the topic, I just don't think everyone is qualified to teach their kids for 8 years let alone 12. It's a tough job, lots of people have said teachers are never paid enough.

I have one niece who home schooled her kids but she has several degrees from the University of Toledo here. My other niece was all over Facebook trying to get a job in the porn industry, she is also homeschooling. Thus my opinion on the matter.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Getting back to the topic, I just don't think everyone is qualified to teach their kids for 8 years let alone 12. It's a tough job, lots of people have said teachers are never paid enough.

I have one niece who home schooled her kids but she has several degrees from the University of Toledo here. My other niece was all over Facebook trying to get a job in the porn industry, she is also homeschooling. Thus my opinion on the matter.

"I just don't think everyone is qualified to teach their kids for 8 years let alone 12."

Evidence seems to suggest the same to be true of the government education industry.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The education of the child is a function of the parent...not the state. The parent can delegate part of that education to the state or others if they desire.

And that 'delegation' is only possible if choice, and vouchers, are part of the equation.