Agreed.
Amazing lack of evidence, particularly given the theoretically growing huge amount of money expended on business travel associated with The World According to Pogo.
Yet, there's not ONE.
Which is exactly what I would expect.
Not "one" -- what?
Why are you feeding a troll who's in no way participating in the discussion here? He has no function.
If you have a source to look up "money expended on business travel", knock yourself out but it's not part of any point here. This is not a thread about business expenses. Or money. Nor did I bring up either one. I keep track of my own expenses; how you run yours is your problem.
You said:
I absolutely guarantee you, the virtual technology industry has slimmed down what it's tried to do -- because the overall concept is just not selling on any scale that indicates any kind of shift. It already hit its plateau and is gasping for air.
Now, I'll try not to be as completely as obtuse as you've chosen to be: by "slimming down" and "hitting a plateau" and "gasping for air," I do not believe you're being literal.
You mean the virtual technology industry has less revenue or profitability, and is not growing revenue, and maybe on the verge of declining REVENUE.
Nope. I wasn't referring in any way to "revenue", "profit", "dollars", "value", "income", "business expenses" or anything remotely related. I'd plead guilty to misleading you but that would be lying.
None of that was about revenue; it was about
activity. How much revenue an industry makes has nothing to do with that. You're plugging that in, I guess because you can't handle the point on its own terms. You'll have to argue with yourself on that one.
This claim is made despite the explosion of hardware during the past 20 years allowing practically every human on the face of the planet to USE VIRTUAL TECHNOLOGY.
Once again, nobody disputes that, least of all me. I've got my hands on said technology. Buttsoiler brought in links to "prove" that same irrelevant point.
It would seem there is more than a slight incongruance between your claims, and reality, particularly since you offer no examples that cite where the entire virtual technology industry has "slimmed down" as a basis for your arguement that virtual technology is a poor substitute for physical group dynamics in an educational environment.
So you DO understand what the point was. What was all that song and dance about "revenue" and whether technology exists?
Now that we've washed out that hypocrisy, who the **** do you people think you are that I owe you some kind of "proof" for a personal observation? This entire point was as you finally admit here, that the virtual is not replacing the physical. That's based on me being in a position to know. Are you in a position to know otherwise? If so, you can present your case
on the same terms. But this horseshit about bringing in links to people I work with is just that.
Just last night, by coincidence, I got a LinkedIn notice from one of these technology companies, a guy out in the Bay Area - he says he's decided to sell off his capital and "get out of the business". A few days before another LinkedIn about another guy that I worked for says "Congratulate _____ on the new job" -- he's a car salesman now. Do you actually think I'm going to put these guys' names and phone numbers on the iinternet just so you can stop whining because you don't want your preconceptions challenged? Are you insane?
Essentially, you do a great deal of "hand waving" to support an arguement that appears to be utter nonsense. The result of the baffoonery only leads to the complete erosion of any credability you might claim to have as a industry expert.
Number one, I've never used the term "expert", and maybe you need to quit reading the troll who plugged it in -- you'll notice he doesn't take part in any facet of this topic whatsoever but simply sits on the side sniping at people being the attention whore he always has been, so why you give him the time of day after correctly pushing off the other troll (TheNutHouse) is a conflict you'll have to figure out...
And number two, not knowing what "hand waving" is, if you dispute the trends I've articulated, then either find some way to demonstrate the contrary, or ignore my point and continue to wallow in your own ignorance. Not my concern; that's not the topic of this thread. But to do so you'll need someone or something qualified to rebut me. I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing a lot of butthurt whining by those faced with the horrifying prospect of learning something they didn't know before and fending it off whatever it takes.
The thread is about home schooling; within that the subtopic was the intrinsic value of real experience versus virtual. And within
that, the observation was that the virtual is not replacing the real in the real world. It's one example of many. What we speak of in the subtopic (the value of real vs. virtual) is somewhat metaphysical. You can't link to the metaphysical. But as far as popularity of this or that method in adult education, you'll just have to find me someone in a position to know who says the trend is the opposite of what I'm saying. On this planet. Because if you can do that, he's got access to a whole different world and I want to work for him. Apparently in his world, this mythical figure, business is booming. Strange that I and my ilk who actually
do this kind of work aren't seeing that boom.
AGAIN, I don't get on this board and tell you what your business is doing, sooooo.... wtf?
Short version of all this:
Gainsaying is not argument.
is that they are not replacing the idea of in-person presence. Apparently your game is to play stupid (and compliments, you do it well) because this is what I said from the beginning. But noooo, you can't handle that point so you try to morph it somewhere else. Not for the first time I might add.
I've been working with media since I was six years old, dolt. And I'm still doing it right now.
