Holocaust History

The raids were among the most shameful acts undertaken by France during World War II, and among the darkest moments in its history.

Over those two days, police herded 13,152 people — including 4,115 children — into the Winter Velodrome of Paris, known as the Vel d’Hiv, Vel d’Hiv before they were sent on to Nazi camps. It was the biggest such roundup in western Europe. The children were separated from their families; very few survived.

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Christophe Cognet’s “From Where They Stood” is not another Holocaust documentary. It is an extraordinary, wholly unfamiliar, unprecedented film centering on largely unknown and clandestinely shot photographs taken by a handful of prisoners in five Nazi concentration camps: Dachau, Mittelbau-Dora, Buchenwald, Auschwitz-Birkenau, and Ravensbrück from the spring of 1943 until the autumn of 1944.

Taking pictures was an act of rebellion and insurgency, whether the inmate was shooting the “brothel,” where female inmates serviced the SS, or the facility where medical experimentation occurred, or even a fellow inmate — if caught these photographers would have been shot on the spot. But they were determined to leave a record of what they had witnessed and experienced.

These photos are clearly a world apart from Nazi propaganda shots, but they also differ from the ones taken by allied forces at the end of the war, who viewed what they saw through a horrified and empathic prism. The fundamental difference is that here the photographers, and often their subjects, who may or may not have known they were being photographed, were prisoners like they were. Within these parameters there was mutual understanding and a shared experience.



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Well I will start that Hitler was Mary Poppins compared to Lenin, Stalin, and Trotsky

Hitler killed 6 million..........Them?????.........40?....50.....60? million

So we must start this thread saying the Soviets were 10 times worse. You have to admit that reality before you think further

We don't learn that in public skewls even 50 yrs ago. It was forbidden
I thought there were only 13 million Jews prior to the Holocaust.
 
Very true. But not having any recognition is a sin. Highlighting glaringly one horror while never mentioning something way worse is wrong wrong wrong

What do you think of this. You and most don't even know about it....What does this tell you?


We and the world could have saved the Jews. But we didn't did we

The NAZIS laughed and were given the OK

Of course we are not allowed to teach it. You have to find it yourself
Yes, there was antisemitism almost everywhere prior to the Holocaust and that includes the US. Antisemitism and Eugenics. I can remember once discussing this someone said that the Nazis followed where the US were heading. We had human Zoos as well. Total white supremacy. Jews somehow seen as not white. Hitler took to the extreme where others were moving and at least taught us to stop. I am not sure it is not in us to do something similar again though Muslims come to mind more than Jews this time or when everyone is breaking down our doors to get in because of climate change.
 
I thought there were only 13 million Jews prior to the Holocaust.
European Jewish population distribution, ca. 1933 [LCID: eur77040]

European Jewish population distribution, ca. 1933

Jews have lived in Europe for more than two thousand years. The American Jewish Yearbook placed the total Jewish population of Europe at about 9.5 million in 1933. This number represented more than 60 percent of the world's Jewish population, which was estimated at 15.3 million. Most European Jews resided in eastern Europe, with about 5 1/2 million Jews living in Poland and the Soviet Union. Before the Nazi takeover of power in 1933, Europe had a dynamic and highly developed Jewish culture. In little more than a decade, most of Europe would be conquered, occupied, or annexed by Nazi Germany and most European Jews—two out of every three—would be dead.
  • US Holocaust Memorial Museum
 
Are you going to write to the Vatican and all religious Christians to stop hating Jews?

They will not listen.

How about the Muslims? They learned it all from Christianity? How are they going to stop hating Jews?
Jews need to invite them to meet them and preferably want a just solution in Israel. That is what Jews for Justice for Palestinians did in the UK. They invited all the different sects and said all but the most outsiders came, not least because most of them had never net a Jew and wanted to know what they were like. The did not know that some Jews were working for Justice for the Palestinians. It did not take long for them to start believing in the holocaust hearing what had happened to their new found friends relatives. They wanted to know what antisemitism was so they could avoid it and JFJFP taught them what it is and what it is not. They became good friends, mutually supportive.
 
Jews need to invite them to meet them and preferably want a just solution in Israel. That is what Jews for Justice for Palestinians did in the UK. They invited all the different sects and said all but the most outsiders came, not least because most of them had never net a Jew and wanted to know what they were like. The did not know that some Jews were working for Justice for the Palestinians. It did not take long for them to start believing in the holocaust hearing what had happened to their new found friends relatives. They wanted to know what antisemitism was so they could avoid it and JFJFP taught them what it is and what it is not. They became good friends, mutually supportive.
Yes, it totally had to take a curve and go into the Israel/Palestinian conflict.

Find the right thread for it.
 
Yes, it totally had to take a curve and go into the Israel/Palestinian conflict.

Find the right thread for it.
You asked how Muslims could get on with Jews. I told you of the situation I know of where they have. If you do not want honest answer. If you only want your opinion then continue to sit on your arse every day creating thread after thread all written by yourself on your love of Jews which sounds something of a fetish rather than inviting people in and then being abusive when they answer a question which you have asked.
 
Jews need to invite them to meet them and preferably want a just solution in Israel. That is what Jews for Justice for Palestinians did in the UK. They invited all the different sects and said all but the most outsiders came, not least because most of them had never net a Jew and wanted to know what they were like. The did not know that some Jews were working for Justice for the Palestinians. It did not take long for them to start believing in the holocaust hearing what had happened to their new found friends relatives. They wanted to know what antisemitism was so they could avoid it and JFJFP taught them what it is and what it is not. They became good friends, mutually supportive.
^^^ BS muslim kids are inculcated with holocaust denial in grammar school and mosque.
 
You asked how Muslims could get on with Jews. I told you of the situation I know of where they have. If you do not want honest answer. If you only want your opinion then continue to sit on your arse every day creating thread after thread all written by yourself on your love of Jews which sounds something of a fetish rather than inviting people in and then being abusive when they answer a question which you have asked.
It is far more complicated than your simple examples. Learn the history of Islam towards Jews.

Islam's beliefs about the Jews is another reason why 6 Million Jews were killed in Europe instead of being allowed to return to their ancient homeland.

What do you know about the role of Muslims during the Holocaust which caused the lives of many Jews in Europe and in Asia?
 
It is far more complicated than your simple examples. Learn the history of Islam towards Jews.

Islam's beliefs about the Jews is another reason why 6 Million Jews were killed in Europe instead of being allowed to return to their ancient homeland.

What do you know about the role of Muslims during the Holocaust which caused the lives of many Jews in Europe and in Asia?
be patient----Alexa does the exception to the rule thing. It's an islamo nazi fave
 
European Jewish population distribution, ca. 1933 [LCID: eur77040]

European Jewish population distribution, ca. 1933

Jews have lived in Europe for more than two thousand years. The American Jewish Yearbook placed the total Jewish population of Europe at about 9.5 million in 1933. This number represented more than 60 percent of the world's Jewish population, which was estimated at 15.3 million. Most European Jews resided in eastern Europe, with about 5 1/2 million Jews living in Poland and the Soviet Union. Before the Nazi takeover of power in 1933, Europe had a dynamic and highly developed Jewish culture. In little more than a decade, most of Europe would be conquered, occupied, or annexed by Nazi Germany and most European Jews—two out of every three—would be dead.
  • US Holocaust Memorial Museum

Jews came over to Britain with the Romans,
 
It is far more complicated than your simple examples. Learn the history of Islam towards Jews.

Islam's beliefs about the Jews is another reason why 6 Million Jews were killed in Europe instead of being allowed to return to their ancient homeland.

What do you know about the role of Muslims during the Holocaust which caused the lives of many Jews in Europe and in Asia?

Have you noticed, how many non Jews seem to know a lot about Jews, and related issues? :cool-45:
 
be patient----Alexa does the exception to the rule thing. It's an islamo nazi fave
I remember a particularly stupid poster from years ago at debatepolitics also called Alexa and also hailing from Scotland.

A very popular theme with that one was distinguishing between the good Jews and the bad Jews. The Neturei Karta were an example of the good Jews. Any Jew who supported self determination for Jewish people was a bad Jew.
 

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