Here is why gun are to blame!!!

[Mikeoxenormous]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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It seems that you are a very weak person. I am trained in the military on how to use a firearm. My guns have never been used to kill another person yet.....But if i need to, i wont hesitate to use one. I will not hesitate, i will not show fear, i shoot to kill.

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Bullshit. You are a snivelling cowardly fuck who was too scared to visit London. Sell your fantasy somewhere else.

Dude, i went to London back in 1976, when it was at least something of interest, today, with shitfucks like you, why would i spend a dime there, knowing how buck tooth ugly you all are now?

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

The O.P shows a certain amount of naivety which is common to foreigners looking at the gun debate in the U.S.
Most are shocked to learn that London is 3 times more dangerous than the U.S, and that most of the murders in the U.S is gang related and related to non U.S citizens.
Or that homogenous States in the U.S have murder rates lower than European countries,
If the U.S had built the Wall 40 years ago the murder rate would be similar to Canada today.

Absolute bullshit! You are 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK.

Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.

USA 12.21
UK 0.23

France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31

With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.

But how do they get guns in a country that bans guns?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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It seems that you are a very weak person. I am trained in the military on how to use a firearm. My guns have never been used to kill another person yet.....But if i need to, i wont hesitate to use one. I will not hesitate, i will not show fear, i shoot to kill.

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Bullshit. You are a snivelling cowardly fuck who was too scared to visit London. Sell your fantasy somewhere else.

Dude, i went to London back in 1976, when it was at least something of interest, today, with shitfucks like you, why would i spend a dime there, knowing how buck tooth ugly you all are now?

But too much of a coward to go there last year. Spineless twat.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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It seems that you are a very weak person. I am trained in the military on how to use a firearm. My guns have never been used to kill another person yet.....But if i need to, i wont hesitate to use one. I will not hesitate, i will not show fear, i shoot to kill.

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Bullshit. You are a snivelling cowardly fuck who was too scared to visit London. Sell your fantasy somewhere else.

Dude, i went to London back in 1976, when it was at least something of interest, today, with shitfucks like you, why would i spend a dime there, knowing how buck tooth ugly you all are now?

But too much of a coward to go there last year. Spineless twat.

Two years ago i went to Scotland, why would i want to spend time in inbred buck tooth London? I much enjoyed the highlands.

 

[LeftofLeft]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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You know what stops guns? Guns. The politicos and elites who wag their finger for good guys to lay down their guns are the ones who run first to the protection of s gun because they put a premium on their lives. These elites may believe that their lives are more important and therefore are the rule and exception for gun defense. I call bullshit because I don’t believe any one life is more important than the other.

Good guys with guns!

 

[Foreigner Looking In.]

The O.P shows a certain amount of naivety which is common to foreigners looking at the gun debate in the U.S.
Most are shocked to learn that London is 3 times more dangerous than the U.S, and that most of the murders in the U.S is gang related and related to non U.S citizens.
Or that homogenous States in the U.S have murder rates lower than European countries,
If the U.S had built the Wall 40 years ago the murder rate would be similar to Canada today.

Absolute bullshit! You are 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK.

Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.

USA 12.21
UK 0.23

France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31

With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.

Why do you ignore homicide rates and simply focus on gunrelated deaths?
Thats disingenuous.
Homicide rates in London is 12.4 per 100'000 deaths whilst in the U.S it's 4.9 per 100k.
U.S homicide rates is almost identical to Cuba.

You lying little tw@t. First of all, you can't compare a major city with an entire country especially one as sparsely populated as the US.
Secondly, you have moved Londons figure up a digit from 1.2 to 12.4.

What is the murder rate in New York compared to London?
Further, using annual statistics for 2017, New York has a significantly higher homicide rate than London, with New York recording 3.4 homicides per 100,000 people whereas London recorded 1.2. Wikipedia

Both New York and London's figures pale into insignificance when compared with some of your other US cities. The figures are shocking!

1 St Louis IL 113.0 per 100,000
2 Chester PA 85.0
3 St Louis MO 66.0
4 Gary IN 63.0
5 Baltimore MD 56.0

New York 3.4
London 1.2

Top 30 Highest Murder Rate Cities in the U.S. in 2019 | NeighborhoodScout

You have heard the expression 'You wouldn’t want to be caught dead there'? These U.S. cities are places where you are likely to be caught dead in…literally.

www.neighborhoodscout.com

Here's a link to the 12.4 per 100'000 rate in London.

The most murderous place in England and Wales may surprise you

The northern port town has a murder and attempted murder rate of 15 per 100,000 people

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Foreigner Looking In.]

The O.P shows a certain amount of naivety which is common to foreigners looking at the gun debate in the U.S.
Most are shocked to learn that London is 3 times more dangerous than the U.S, and that most of the murders in the U.S is gang related and related to non U.S citizens.
Or that homogenous States in the U.S have murder rates lower than European countries,
If the U.S had built the Wall 40 years ago the murder rate would be similar to Canada today.

Absolute bullshit! You are 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK.

Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.

USA 12.21
UK 0.23

France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31

With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.

But how do they get guns in a country that bans guns?

London is awash with black drill gangs armed with knives.
It has even started in Dublin, Ireland ffs.
BOB violence.

 

[hjmick]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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Not the fault of the gun, the gun is not to blame.

 

[progressive hunter]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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lets not forget that guns stop up to 3 million violent crimes a yr where a large part of them would have ended up in death of the victim,,

I'm OK with a few of these types of actions,,,, maybe the cpl should have already been armed and this wouldnt have happened,,,

The wife had a gun and returned fire if you missed it.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

That's right, lunch meat. A gun is just an inanimate piece of steel, but it makes a 90 pound woman equal to a 320 pound meth junkie.

Guns are freedom, equality and justice.

15 000 deaths a year, school shootings. Work place shootings. Neighborhood shootings.....inline most countries.
You are not ashamed when kids have to train for school shooting scenarios

Fact Sheet: Guns Save Lives | GOA



Guns used 2.5 million times a year in self-defense. Law-abiding citizens use guns to defend themselves against criminals as many as 2.5 million times every year — or about 6,850 times a day. [1] This means that each year, firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives. [2]

* Of the 2.5 million times citizens use their guns to defend themselves every year, the overwhelming majority merely brandish their gun or fire a warning shot to scare off their attackers. Less than 8% of the time, a citizen will kill or wound his/her attacker.[3]

* As many as 200,000 women use a gun every year to defend themselves against sexual abuse.[4]

Yet American women have the highest rates of rape and sexual harassment compared to most countries.
Despite guns Also americans are killed by the thousands.
Despite guns American kids are killed more than their European counter parts.
Gun owners also die by the thousands why

With the exception of the District of Colombia, every State in the U.S has a lower homicide rate than multicultural, gun free London (12.4 per 100'000)

List of U.S. states by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia

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How about norway, switzerland, saudi arabia, Dubai, Malaysia and the rest of the world. Oh let's not go far how many mass shootings did London schools have?

you make a good case that more people should have guns on them at all times,,

 

[Blues Man]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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Yes, your right! After Sandy Hook Elementary when 20 kids between 6 & 7 and 6 adults were slaughtered by a 20-year-old with his mother's semi-automatic assault rifle you would have thought the US would have said "enough is enough".

I don't think Americans understand how beyond the comprehension of people outside the US it is for anybody to even think about wanting to own a gun.
The horrific death figures 40,000 per annum - ah wait a minute ZGuy will no doubt come on and say, many of those were suicides!...So what? You are 60 times more likely to commit suicide in the US than in the UK. Because guns give you a quick and easy way out even for the slightly clinically depressed who will never get a chance to recover.

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Very sad and very sick!

The reason why school shootings happen is because of this slogan. Bad buys will get guns in areas that banned guns, as we have seen in England many times.

Gun-Free Britain? Nearly 10,000 Gun Crimes Committed in One Year

The number of gun crimes committed in the UK has increased by 27 per cent in the past five years and the number of guns seized has quadrupled

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And don't forget that the Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no obligation whatsoever to come to your aid so they might not show up at all.

 

[Blues Man]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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It seems that you are a very weak person. I am trained in the military on how to use a firearm. My guns have never been used to kill another person yet.....But if i need to, i wont hesitate to use one. I will not hesitate, i will not show fear, i shoot to kill.

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Bullshit. You are a snivelling cowardly fuck who was too scared to visit London. Sell your fantasy somewhere else.

There's nothing I want to see in London.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The O.P shows a certain amount of naivety which is common to foreigners looking at the gun debate in the U.S.
Most are shocked to learn that London is 3 times more dangerous than the U.S, and that most of the murders in the U.S is gang related and related to non U.S citizens.
Or that homogenous States in the U.S have murder rates lower than European countries,
If the U.S had built the Wall 40 years ago the murder rate would be similar to Canada today.

Absolute bullshit! You are 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US than in the UK.

Gun related deaths per 100,000 population.

USA 12.21
UK 0.23

France 2.83
Canada 2.00
Sweden 1.6
Italy 1.31
Germany 1.17
Australia 0.9
Japan 0.6
Spain 0.31

With a population of 333546000 in the USA. That works out at 40,000 gun deaths per annum.

What about deaths unrelated to guns?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Anyone else notice that school shootings have come to a stop for no apparent reason?
Things that make you go hmmmmm......

 

[DukeU]

Yet American women have the highest rates of rape and sexual harassment compared to most countries.

Rape Statistics by Country 2021 - World Population Review

The United States has a rape rate of 27.3. As in many other countries, rape is grossly underreported in the United States due to victim shaming, fear of reprisal, fear of family knowing, cases not being taken seriously by law enforcement, and possible lack of prosecution for the perpetrator. Only 9% of rapists in the US get prosecuted, and only 3% of rapists will spend a day in prison. 97% of rapists in the United States will walk free.

Despite guns Also americans are killed by the thousands.
Despite guns American kids are killed more than their European counter parts.

"Firearms are used more than 80 times more often to protect the lives of honest citizens than to take lives."

 

[toobfreak]

15 000 deaths a year, school shootings. Work place shootings. Neighborhood shootings.....inline most countries.

School shootings? When was the last school shooting? Maybe you ought to focus on WHY a kid would want to go postal in a school---- taking the gun away does nothing to solve the actual problems.
Funny that you totally ignore the far more crimes stopped or prevented and lives saved because people HAD GUNS to defend themselves and scare away attackers!
Ever consider that one of the problems is that we have taken guns once commonplace as a lamp and made them into OBJECTS OF FEAR where people no longer are trained in how to handle them safely?

 

[MisterBeale]

Why are folks that don't live in America so concerned about whether we have a second Amendment or not?

I have been a member on this forum a long time, and it always seems to be folks from Canada, NZ, Austrailia or Europe posting these threads about how awful it is that we have the right to self defense, and to keep the government from rounding us up and putting us all in concentration camps.

Why is this?

Occasionally an anarcho-socialist far lefty will post an anti gun thread, but hell, even the far left in America, most of them, all have a tradition of valuing the right to bear arms.

You ask any black panther if they want to give up their right to bear arms, they will tell you to fuck off.

Even moderate dems tell you, they don't want this right taken away. . . so why do these foreigners think they can divide us on this issue?

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, WE LOVE OUR FREEDOM.

IF that goes, so does our speech and/or right to think and disagree with each other as we choose. We all have always been leery of the state telling us how we will conduct our own affairs.

. . . and I may disagree with whomever, but I will defend to the death their right to hold their opinions. The majority of Americans, no matter their politics, are sane, law abiding good people.

The right to self-defense, free speech, to petition our government for redress, and to organize, these things are non-negotiable. So any foreigner coming to UNITED STATES MESSAGE BOARD trying to attack these. . . might as well just fuck the hell off.

What freedom you have that an Aussie or Canadian doesnt have?
They actually have a better quality of life overall.

Freedom you said? I'm guessing you are a trump supporter, and most of you beleive that the elections were rigged what did you do with your guns against a corrupt government ? Nada.

No, I'm not a Trump supporter, I am a classical American, who understands the foundations of American culture. I don't give a good GD about Aussie or Canadian culture, I only care about American heritage and our cultural norms, don't be coming here trying to mess things up, we don't care. With out America, you folks would have been living under totalitarianism long ago. We are wiser, more powerful and freer than you can imagine. It is who we are.

Naomi Wolf - Wikipedia

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The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Naomi Wolf - The End of America revisited - New Hampshire Liberty Forum 2014

You folks may believe you have the illusion of freedom, but you have no liberty.

 

[toobfreak]

How about norway, switzerland, saudi arabia, Dubai, Malaysia and the rest of the world.

you make a good case that more people should have guns on them at all times,,

Interesting how lunchmeat fails to note that all the places he mentions are where the populace is routinely unarmed. Hence, only the criminals have guns. Know where one of the places of lowest gun crime are?

INSIDE A POLICE STATION.

No one goes to a police station to commit a crime or a hold up because they know everyone there is trained and carrying a gun!

Criminals historically seek places where they know the victims are DEFENSELESS, like the "gun-free" zones announced at public schools.

 

[progressive hunter]

How about norway, switzerland, saudi arabia, Dubai, Malaysia and the rest of the world.

you make a good case that more people should have guns on them at all times,,

Interesting how lunchmeat fails to note that all the places he mentions are where the populace is routinely unarmed. Hence, only the criminals have guns. Know where one of the places of lowest gun crime are?

INSIDE A POLICE STATION.

No one goes to a police station to commit a crime or a hold up because they know everyone there is trained and carrying a gun!

Criminals historically seek places where they know the victims are DEFENSELESS, like the "gun-free" zones announced at public schools.

and also gun stores,,,

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Why are folks that don't live in America so concerned about whether we have a second Amendment or not?

I have been a member on this forum a long time, and it always seems to be folks from Canada, NZ, Austrailia or Europe posting these threads about how awful it is that we have the right to self defense, and to keep the government from rounding us up and putting us all in concentration camps.

Why is this?

Occasionally an anarcho-socialist far lefty will post an anti gun thread, but hell, even the far left in America, most of them, all have a tradition of valuing the right to bear arms.

You ask any black panther if they want to give up their right to bear arms, they will tell you to fuck off.

Even moderate dems tell you, they don't want this right taken away. . . so why do these foreigners think they can divide us on this issue?

IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, WE LOVE OUR FREEDOM.

IF that goes, so does our speech and/or right to think and disagree with each other as we choose. We all have always been leery of the state telling us how we will conduct our own affairs.

. . . and I may disagree with whomever, but I will defend to the death their right to hold their opinions. The majority of Americans, no matter their politics, are sane, law abiding good people.

The right to self-defense, free speech, to petition our government for redress, and to organize, these things are non-negotiable. So any foreigner coming to UNITED STATES MESSAGE BOARD trying to attack these. . . might as well just fuck the hell off.

What freedom you have that an Aussie or Canadian doesnt have?
They actually have a better quality of life overall.

Freedom you said? I'm guessing you are a trump supporter, and most of you beleive that the elections were rigged what did you do with your guns against a corrupt government ? Nada.

No, I'm not a Trump supporter, I am a classical American, who understands the foundations of American culture. I don't give a good GD about Aussie or Canadian culture, I only care about American heritage and our cultural norms, don't be coming here trying to mess things up, we don't care. With out America, you folks would have been living under totalitarianism long ago. We are wiser, more powerful and freer than you can imagine. It is who we are.

Naomi Wolf - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Naomi Wolf - The End of America revisited - New Hampshire Liberty Forum 2014

You folks may believe you have the illusion of freedom, but you have no liberty.

Issa just doesn't want us to have guns when his fellow jihadists come for us.

The rest of his sophistry is just window dressing.

 

[2aguy]

While growing up outside the US we never understood why Americans love guns eventhough they have had hundreds of thousands of causalities from them, even small kids in school now have to fear for their lives.

What happened in Penssylvania, where a neighbour shot and killed two f his neighnours to death eventhough one of them was armed then killed himself.

Before you jump to conclusion defending guns here is why guns are to blame.

Where I lived for 23 years we had no guns and we had disputes that end up with fights, now if guns were available they would be used but luckily they werent and that's why most countries dont have as many causalities as the US.

Even the weakest person can take as many lives as he wishes when they have access to guns.

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We have 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carry guns for self defense in public....

Each year Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times to save lives, and stop violent rapes, robberies and murders...this is according to the much vaunted Centers for Disease Control.

If you don't like that number, the Department of Justice puts the defensive gun use number at 1.5 million times a year...

Lives saved from violence and death.

Also....as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate dropped 75%......you can't explain that with your beliefs.....our gun murder rate went down 49%....you can't explain that.....

Nothing you posted is based in facts, truth or reality....

The studies on defensive gun use..

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..