Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[BreezeWood]

What you wrote is not seeing Biblically, but from a personal perspective based on proof-texting fragments of the Bible. We all have to be careful of personal perspectives which use .001 of the Bible and pass over the other 99.999 percent.

- the christian bible is itself no more than a personal perspective without authentication of any type ...

has jesus read the christian bible and given that book or any book their personal approval, authorization of its content.

 

[Woodznutz]

- the christian bible is itself no more than a personal perspective without authentication of any type ...

has jesus read the christian bible and given that book or any book their personal approval, authorization of its content.

You got something better?

 

[Woodznutz]

Of course, and you're trying to convince him to believe with non-Biblical lies.

Can you point out my lies? And I'm jes' sayin' to alang1216, not trying to convince him of anything. He's an atheist and I respect that, but I don't want him to misinterpret scripture.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You got something better?

yes. “Jefferson’s Bible”. and Paine’s “Age of Reason”

Hollie: Thomas Jefferson's Bible ends with Jesus crucified and nothing more. He does not return from the dead, which is quite essential from a Christian perspective. Jefferson "believed in Jesus Christ" as a philosopher, but not as a god incarnate.

Hollie: Thomas Paine, of whom it was said, "Without Paine's pen, Washington's sword would never have been wielded", was a thorough-going Deist who's "Age of Reason" deconstructed the bible completely.

NotfooledbyW: Jefferson cut up the Bible to be rid of all the Son of God, miraculous, Divinity, sin and salvation, resurrection, virgin birth passages.


NotfooledbyW said: “JEFFERSON AND CHRISTIANITY. While Jefferson was a firm theist, the God in which he believed was not the traditional Christian divinity. Jefferson rejected the notion of the Trinity and Jesus’ divinity. He rejected Biblical miracles, the resurrection, the atonement, and original sin (believing that God could not fault or condemn all humanity for the sins of others, a gross injustice).10 In neither the eighteenth century nor today would most people consider a person with those views a “Christian.”
Jefferson's Religious Beliefs | Thomas Jefferson's Monticello

 

[Woodznutz]

Not agreeing with God's Word

Again, point out my errors and we'll discuss it.

 

[Woodznutz]

What you wrote is not seeing Biblically, but from a personal perspective based on proof-texting fragments of the Bible. We all have to be careful of personal perspectives which use .001 of the Bible and pass over the other 99.999 percent.

"Here a little, there a little, precept upon precept, line upon line." Ever read that? Jesus fulfills a vague prophecy in Hosea that has world shattering consequences; .001?

God hides a thing, and it is our honor to uncover it. The Bible is the history and prophecy concerning ISRAEL, from beginning to end. The Israel that most believe doesn't exist. Where does that leave your study?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

The purpose of the Bible is to learn about, and get to know, God.

That purpose is troubling and problematic for multicultural self rule government when those with a biblical world view claim their’s Is the only way to get to know God.

Biblicists are saying that our two founding Thomases Jefferson and Paine could never find God.

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[whutTHEYsay]

There are battles. The earth has battles, nations have battles, the workplace has battles, and we have personal battles. When was the last time we were assured—or we assured another, The battles belong to the Lord, which is a theme running throughout this story.

I’m with this Bible Believin’ guy in the battle for the White House and the soul of America.

'Rampant lies': Anti-MAGA pastor slaps down Trump-loving Christian nationalists

Ben Marsh, a North Carolina-based Christian pastor, delivered a harsh smackdown on CNN this week about fellow Christians who believe that former President Donald Trump was divinely chosen.In an interview with CNN's Donie O'Sullivan, Marsh picked apart claims made by Christian nationalists who...

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Ben Marsh, a North Carolina-based Christian pastor, delivered a harsh smackdown on CNN this week about fellow Christians who believe that former President Donald Trump was divinely chosen.​

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In an interview with CNN's Donie O'Sullivan, Marsh picked apart claims made by Christian nationalists who have used their faith as a justification for falling in line behind Trump despite the fact that the former president is a convicted felon who incited a deadly riot at the United States Capitol building in a bid to illegally remain in power.​

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First, Marsh sharply questioned the belief that America was founded as a Christian nation.​

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What does it mean that 'America is a Christian country?'" Marsh asked. "We have a constitution that is rooted in liberal democracy. We don't arrive at the constitution with just the Bible, unless you're buying a Trump Bible which already has the American constitution in it."​

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He then warned that such beliefs were dangerous when attached to a demagogue such as Trump​

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"It can create a cult-like attitude towards the leader," he said. "Because they're no longer just, 'Oh, that's the right guy, I like his policies,' now it's, 'Oh, Jesus has chosen that person. So we have to follow that person to wherever they go.'"​

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Marsh also warned that such attitudes were likely to make violence more likely in the future.​

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"We're in a time when political violence is just in the air that we breathe," he said. "People are so afraid. It comes back to fear. So Trump supporters are looking at Democrats: If they win, they're going to commit all these atrocities, you have Christian leaders who are saying they're going to lock you up, they're going to take away your pulpit. Just rampant lies!"​

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Marsh also said that the Christian nationalist movement was "enticing people to do things that really aren't Christian."​

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[Meriweather]

The Bible is the history and prophecy concerning ISRAEL, from beginning to end. The Israel that most believe doesn't exist. Where does that leave your study?

It leaves it quite alone. I am astonished you even felt a need to point out history and prophecy concern Israel. Who did you think it concerned, and why is it you think others don't know this? It appears you try to cut off one-twelfth of the tribes of Israel, and there is no need for this, and warps everything else.

 

[Woodznutz]

It leaves it quite alone. I am astonished you even felt a need to point out history and prophecy concern Israel. Who did you think it concerned, and why is it you think others don't know this? It appears you try to cut off one-twelfth of the tribes of Israel, and there is no need for this, and warps everything else.

Few Christians or secular scholars believe that the other descendants of Israel are to be found today, thus all the latter-day prophecies about them are moot. At best they believe all the descendants of Israel are Jews, They have no clue about the division of Israel in the days of Jerobaom and Rehoboam. In fact, most Christians have no clue what's actually in the book they hold in their lap every Sunday.

This is an observation, not a criticism.

 

[Donald H]

Which one is it?

The BF meaning in Science terms is "Beyond Freedom". There are 13 related meanings of the BF Science abbreviation.

1. Beyond Freedom
2. Benjamin Franklin
3. Befactor
4. Beaufort
5. Basic Function
6. Bone Fragment
7. Body Fluids
8. Bomb Factory
9. Breiten Lohner-Freedman
10. B Factor
11. Basal Forebrain
12. Bacteroides Fragilis
13. Bachelor of Fisheries

14. Bacterial Flagellum

 

[Woodznutz]

14. Bacterial Flagellum

Bacterial Flagellum is hardly a simple organism.

 

[Donald H]

What you label "reluctance" is lack of interest in the feeble attempt to drag science under the umbrella of philosophy and faith. It would be more meaningful for you to ask what the 'qualification' was that permits Catholics to enjoy a chocolate chip cookie.

I would agree that it's a reluctance to drag 'faith' under the umbrella of 'science', in that faith doesn't pass muster.

If any 'faith' ever becomes acceptable to science then it ceases to be just faith.

We can just move on now to hearing how Darwinian evolution can be accepted alongside creation, with no contradictions.

Can you state how that can be possible. I think I remember Ding taking a shot at doing that? When he attempted that, he wasn't relying on faith as evidence. but rather the CC's interpretation on the god literally creating everything.

 

[Donald H]

Does evil exist?

A good question!
If you're ready to start behaving appropriately for the standard intended for this 'religion' section then I'll be happy to discuss what I believe is evil.

 

[ding]

A good question!
If you're ready to start behaving appropriately for the standard intended for this 'religion' section then I'll be happy to discuss what I believe is evil.

Go for it. I'm all ears.

 

[Donald H]

Go for it. I'm all ears.

For now I'll just tell you that my perception of what is evil, is largely different from yours. And just add that I lean left politically, and so you can be a part of the discussion by defining your perception of what is evil, based on your much more rightist politics.

I'm not going to allow you to join the discussion if you're not interested in making a contribution. You're going to have to be more than just ears!

 

[Donald H]

I've been known to reject truths that I don't agree with as well.

I don't take you as a fool, but only a fool would say that. But I know what you mean.

It's suggestive of some Christians being unable to accept factual truths on account of the truth clashing with what they're commanded to believe by their religion. That's likely not you!

 

[Woodznutz]

The whole world is evil.
You're welcome.

 

[Donald H]

The whole world is evil.
You're welcome.

That is in fact very close to what Christian churches would expect their flocks to believe.

As left leaning socialists, we prefer to start with saying the whole world is good, and then find exceptions through life's experiences.

 

[BreezeWood]

The whole world is evil.
You're welcome.

stark variations may exist ... beyond humanity other living beings are not so inclined.