Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[shockedcanadian]

not everyone is blind ...

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nor in the liest dismissive of recorded history - what religion do you speak of ... mine is those who gave their lives in the 1st century.

You hate religion in general, specifically as far as I can tell any reference.to Abrahamic religions. I get it, you don't believe in G-d, I was the same as a young, arrogant man. With wisdom comes great confidence. An important aspect of that confidence is humbility but also an understanding of the universe and our individual insignificance.

 

[SweetSue92]

I didn't choose anything over God, I just didn't choose God.


So it is better to believe in nothing than to believe in the wrong thing? I wonder how many Christians would agree with that.

No, Woodnutz says he is a student of the Bible, and he is a Christian, and he is perfectly okay with you going your own way entirely in this life, assuring you there is no Hell, or that you will get a second chance. That's his "interpretation".

He is culpable for that, because he is the one hanging a millstone around your neck. Jesus did not say that. Jesus said between Lazarus and the rich man a great chasm has been fixed--they were both dead. No second chances. Read about it in Luke 16. If you want to believe Woodnutz that's fine, but I guarantee you he is not going to raise from the dead after three days.

I will believe the one who did.

 

[ding]

not everyone is blind ...

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nor in the liest dismissive of recorded history - what religion do you speak of ... mine is those who gave their lives in the 1st century.

Thanks for the opportunity for me to make an affirmative case for Christianity.

 

[Woodznutz]

Right, according to books written decades after he died. If that were the truth, you'd think more Jews would have recognized him as the Messiah. In large part, the Jews he lived among did not recognize him that way and later Jews generally didn't convert.

I mean the prophecies written in the OT before he appeared. The lamb slain by God in the garden to cover the sin of Adam and Eve was prophetic of his sacrifice.

Jesus wasn't sent to the Jews although most of his disciples were Jews. Many Jews did believe on him, but most were steeped in Judaism or feared the Pharisees.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus wasn't sent to the Jews although most of his disciples were Jews.

Of course he was sent to the Jews, born of Jews, to live and teach in their midst. No other people could better understand his teachings than those who had been listening to God and the prophets for eras. God knew what He was doing, living among His people--the Jews.

 

[Woodznutz]

Romans 10:9

If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord
And believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead
YOU WILL BE SAVED

My commentary:

Do not subtract from that. You must confess and believe.

But nothing needs to be added, either.

Sue, do you not understand that alang1216 is not a believer?

 

[Woodznutz]

Of course he was sent to the Jews, born of Jews, to live and teach in their midst. No other people could better understand his teachings than those who had been listening to God and the prophets for eras. God knew what He was doing, living among His people--the Jews.

Jesus lived among them but wasn't sent to minister to them. He was sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", the scattered tribes of the northern kingdom.

 

[Woodznutz]

Pride

Pride: Not agreeing with SweetSue92.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus lived among them but wasn't sent to minister to them. He was sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel", the scattered tribes of the northern kingdom.

Yet he ministered to them, the poor, the sick, the lame, Pharisees who came to him, and normal, everyday people who came out in thousands to listen to him. When some tried to exclude sinners and children, he wouldn't have it. This was all done in Judea, amidst the Tribe of Judah (although not all Jews living there were of that tribe). Jesus was.

When all the tribes went forth, especially battle, Judah led the way. The name means 'Praise'. In other words Praise to God came first, and Jesus, of the tribe of Judah, was the very epitome of praise to God going first to--and from-- the Jews.

 

[Woodznutz]

No, Woodnutz says he is a student of the Bible, and he is a Christian, and he is perfectly okay with you going your own way entirely in this life, assuring you there is no Hell, or that you will get a second chance. That's his "interpretation".

He is culpable for that, because he is the one hanging a millstone around your neck. Jesus did not say that. Jesus said between Lazarus and the rich man a great chasm has been fixed--they were both dead. No second chances. Read about it in Luke 16. If you want to believe Woodnutz that's fine, but I guarantee you he is not going to raise from the dead after three days.

I will believe the one who did.

1. alang1216 as well as most of the world hasn't had their first chance yet. He will get it in the resurrection unless God chooses to call him in this age.

"No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day."

2. Do you really believe Jesus was in the grave for a full three days and nights, or 1 1/2 days like most of Christianity i.e. Easter? An "evil generation" seeks a sign, then rejects the sign.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yet he ministered to them, the poor, the sick, the lame, Pharisees who came to him, and normal, everyday people who came out in thousands to listen to him. When some tried to exclude sinners and children, he wouldn't have it. This was all done in Judea, amidst the Tribe of Judah (although not all Jews living there were of that tribe). Jesus was.

When all the tribes went forth, especially battle, Judah led the way. The name means 'Praise'. In other words Praise to God came first, and Jesus, of the tribe of Judah, was the very epitome of praise to God going first to--and from-- the Jews.

Jesus ministry to the Jews was a failure. While some believed on him most didn't and wanted him dead. He left Jewry because of that and went on to his primary ministry, the lost sheep. He also instructed the disciples to go only to the lost sheep. He built his church among them as one can see today. The history of the church is in northwest Europe among the descendants of the northern kingdom, and later wherever those people migrated, not in Judea among the Jews. Few Jews today believe in the divinity of Christ.

 

[BreezeWood]

Of course he was sent to the Jews, born of Jews, to live and teach in their midst. No other people could better understand his teachings than those who had been listening to God and the prophets for eras. God knew what He was doing, living among His people--the Jews.

jesus mary joseph mary m - are chosen heavenly exemplars during that time their lack of fear of moses the liar their false commandments, abraham their hereditary idolatry et al judaism and specifically were not jews being their unique status for the opening scenes of the 1st century events.

an attempt by the heavens for the reiteration of their original goal, religion of antiquity set for a&e's request for admission to the everlasting as equals to those already present.

 

[Woodznutz]

1. alang1216 as well as most of the world hasn't had their first chance yet. He will get it in the resurrection unless God chooses to call him in this age.

The "calling" of God is irresistible.

 

[Donald H]

Every monotheistic religion I am aware of - including Hinduism which is henotheistic - and many primal religions start with a creator creating existence. It is a foundational monotheistic belief. I'm not aware of any religion that goes beyond that. You are trying to argue nuts and bolts when no monotheistic religion I am aware of has tried to describe the nuts and bolts. The creation account in Genesis loosely describes a creation and then events unfolding sequentially. That you make a big deal out of this is a sign of your lack of intellect.

You're arguing with your fellow Christians, not me. You've finally stepped over the edge to facing reality. Our common problem with Christianity is that we both possess an intellect that doesn't allow us to just brush off the contradictions. Your participation in these threads that are started mostly to question the bible stories, is because you are questioning too. :You're feeling an obligation to your church to defend against all challenges too.

Rather than seeing it for what it is, you latch onto a fringe belief.

Neither of us can see the impossibilities of stories such as the 'big fish' story, expressly because it's a fringe belief.

Why don't you go ask a native American or an Aboriginal what their concept of God creating the universe is. You'll discover their belief and my belief are quite similar.

i might add something further after reading Meri's reply.

 

[Donald H]

Grin. There aren't any! My whole point is that neither Jesus nor the Apostles addressed evolution.

The others didn't know what the 'qualification' was that permits Catholics to accept and believe in Darwinian evolution, but I'm quite sure both you and Ding did. Why the reluctance to state it?

The Catholic church's capitulation to Darwinian evolution is it's abandonment of creation.

There's simply no way of interpreting the message from the church that leaves any possibility of maintaining the creation myths.

But your faith alone can allow you to imagine 'creation' and that's all that's important.

Ding has a conscience and has his intellect to deal with. All three of us do, but we've chosen different ways of dealing with it.

 

[Donald H]

Irreducible complexity.

There are no contradictions in I.C. That's been dealt with and set aside.

The B.F. was reduced to it's simplest form by mainstream science.

 

[Donald H]

You hate religion in general, specifically as far as I can tell any reference.to Abrahamic religions. I get it, you don't believe in G-d, I was the same as a young, arrogant man. With wisdom comes great confidence. An important aspect of that confidence is humbility but also an understanding of the universe and our individual insignificance.

Those who have found peace with their religious beliefs won't be seen or heard arguing it here. This is a place for Christians to ask some of the nagging questions, and for atheists like me to offer answers.

 

[ding]

You're arguing with your fellow Christians...

I thought I was correcting you.

 

[ding]

You've finally stepped over the edge to facing reality. Our common problem with Christianity is that we both possess an intellect that doesn't allow us to just brush off the contradictions.

Said the guy who thinks Genesis is a biology textbook.

 

[ding]

Your participation in these threads that are started mostly to question the bible stories, is because you are questioning too. :You're feeling an obligation to your church to defend against all challenges too.

Incorrect. My participation is correcting you.