Zone1 Have we lost The Bible Story?

[Woodznutz]

Fact. I never made a secret of it and I hope no one was deceived.

Sue thinks I'm interfering with your repentance and thus condemning you to eternal damnation.

 

[Woodznutz]

Romans 3:10--"There is no one righteous; no, not one"

A quote from the Psalms that needs the context of the whole chapter of Romans 3.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Bible is like a Rorschach image. You can see in it anything you want to see.


Jews didn't recognize Jesus as the Messiah since he was nothing like the Messiah they were expecting. Their Messiah was to be a great king, general, or holy man who would bring the blessings of God onto Israel. Jesus did none of that and ended up, in the view of Jews, cursed by God and hung on a tree.

God blinded the Jews, and the same blindness affects many today. God will reveal himself to all eventually. God is picky about revealing himself.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Bible is like a Rorschach image. You can see in it anything you want to see.

Or like the Jews, you can "unsee" anything that you don't like.

 

[Woodznutz]

You are the one who judged Woodznutz beliefs to not be Christian theology. Is Woodznutz a Christian even though Woodznutz beliefs are not? What about Mormons, JW, Eastern Orthodox, etc.? What does that say about Christian theology?

Sue believes that we only get one chance at salvation, that being in this present lifetime (and in her timeframe). Pretty grim and not Biblical.

 

[SweetSue92]

You are the one who judged Woodznutz beliefs to not be Christian theology. Is Woodznutz a Christian even though Woodznutz beliefs are not? What about Mormons, JW, Eastern Orthodox, etc.? What does that say about Christian theology?

His theology is not Christian theology.

But I am not in the position to judge his salvation, whether he "believes in his heart". That's why I have not said "you're not a Christian", and I won't. I don't know that. I do know what he is espousing is wrong, Biblically and theologically.

As to your last point: I never understand why the Christian religion is supposed to just accept any theology that espouses itself as "Christian". People say they're "Christian" if they put up a Christmas tree, and that's the most harmless example. People say they're Christian if they believe Jesus and Satan are spirit-brothers (Mormon) or if their founder was a lying pedophile philanderer (Mormon).

There is a whole Book--the most popular one in history--that details Christian theology. We don't have to accept anyone that slaps a label on whatever belief suits them and calls it "Christian". That's not even loving. It damns a lot of people to Hell.

 

[SweetSue92]

I don't profess to know what God's judgment on anyone will be. I do believe that God will call alang1216 eventually. Nothing I say will change that.

Heresy and unbiblical, of course, but your "private study" trumps all.

 

[SweetSue92]

Sue believes that we only get one chance at salvation, that being in this present lifetime (and in her timeframe). Pretty grim and not Biblical.

It is overtly, patently in the Bible.

"It is appointed man once to die, and then the judgment."

Hebrews 9:27

 

[SweetSue92]

Sue thinks I'm interfering with your repentance and thus condemning you to eternal damnation.

Yes. If you know Jesus, and love Jesus, He Himself said you carry the greater responsibility. You are hanging a millstone around people's necks--you are making them comfortable in their sin. That is death. Sin is death. It's all over the Bible.

 

[SweetSue92]

God blinded the Jews, and the same blindness affects many today. God will reveal himself to all eventually. God is picky about revealing himself.

Yes, it's all over Revelation. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God. But the Jesus who appears in Revelation is not going to wave a magic wand and save everyone.

My goodness. Folks, believe this at your spiritual peril.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is overtly, patently in the Bible.

"It is appointed man once to die, and then the judgment."

Hebrews 9:27

If one is not called in this lifetime they will be called in the resurrection.
"God is not willing that any should perish..." God is going to raise up the entire nation of Israel and put his spirit into them.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes. If you know Jesus, and love Jesus, He Himself said you carry the greater responsibility. You are hanging a millstone around people's necks--you are making them comfortable in their sin. That is death. Sin is death. It's all over the Bible.

Ask alang1216 if anything I say affects him in any way. He has his mind made up and only God can change it. No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws him or her. People don't "talk" others into coming to Christ, although for their sake God may call them. I'm not as "importuning" as the widow on someone else's behalf.

 

[Woodznutz]

Yes, it's all over Revelation. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God. But the Jesus who appears in Revelation is not going to wave a magic wand and save everyone.

My goodness. Folks, believe this at your spiritual peril.

Jesus the Christ is going "bring smoke".

 

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For now I'll just tell you that my perception of what is evil, is largely different from yours. And just add that I lean left politically, and so you can be a part of the discussion by defining your perception of what is evil, based on your much more rightist politics.

I'm not going to allow you to join the discussion if you're not interested in making a contribution. You're going to have to be more than just ears!

I think you punted on that one.

So much for profound atheistic wisdom, eh.

 

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The whole world is evil.
You're welcome.

Donald H can't even define evil.

 

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That is in fact very close to what Christian churches would expect their flocks to believe.

As left leaning socialists, we prefer to start with saying the whole world is good, and then find exceptions through life's experiences.

Socialism is evil because it destroys the spirit of man.

 

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You feel obligated to defend your truth but since your truth us superior to others you need to engage and show your superiority.

My obligation is to Truth. If what I believe is untrue, I will discard it for the truth. Objectivity is central to my peace. The reason you see it that way is because I argue things that are true. It has nothing to do with me being superior and everything to do with truth being superior. I think what you are missing is that you come to religious forums to argue your superiority. You really have no other reason to be here.

 

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The one who steps outside and sees the whole and then arrives at the answer. The one who doesn't start with the answer and works backwards from there. Spoiler alert, it's not you.

I started by studying the beginning of existence and the evolution of existence and asked a very simple question; was it intentional or happenstance. What did you start with? Because I think you are accusing me of what you did.

 

[ding]

Seems pretty succinct to me.

Succinctly vague. Or more accurately, conveniently vague.

 

[Donald H]

I think you punted on that one.

So much for profound atheistic wisdom, eh.

You're starting once again to contribute!