Sallow is not a bad guy, but he seems almost desperate in his attempt to "Keep Hope Alive" this morning.
Immie
I would do the same.
But I never believed in Obama as the man who was taking America to another level.
So I am not disappointed that he hasnt.
But so many people truly beleived in the man.....the disappointment must be devastating.
I am definitely disappointed overall in his inability to stand up and fight for what he claims to believe in/want. However I am even more disappointed that there doesn't seem to be a better candidate out there for 2012. Now THAT is disappointing.
That's partly because you would not be interested in anyone that has an R next to their name. not going happen, the only democrat is going to be Obama and that's that.
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I thought the speech was good, but it doesn't stand a ground.
In reality he is demanding from all of us, including Congress, to band over and agree with him long before his plan is even written. Does Congress has to pas this bill in order to find out what's in it too?
And that's not what happened.
What happened was that President Obama did something that was sort of expected, but he did it well. What he did was, yet again, challenge to the Republican party to become the responsible party it once was. He challenged them to start governing in a manner that is not lunacy.
Look. President Obama won the Presidential election, and by a count greater then his predecessor. And what happened was the opposing party simply didn't accept that. They wanted to nullify the election. And by in large, they've been pretty successful. And a large part of that is because of bigotry and racism. It's not the sort of racism of 50 years ago..but it is very prevalent. Michele Bachmann is a prime example. She not a fire breathing, "let's lynch them", type. Quite the contrary. She accepts the fact that we are a multi-cultural society..just she doesn't view other cultures as "equal". She's actually said this. And this is the "soft" bigotry and racism that now is really a part of the culture of both American Conservatism and the Republican party. They have no trouble with people of other cultures and racism so long as they know their "place". And it's an abomination that a fellow who's skin is not white sits in the White House.
I'm sure President Obama is starting to get this. But he hasn't given up on the notion of working together. However, simply asking to work together is not going to work. So he challenged them. And very publicly. It was a politically masterful thing to do. But in either case, Republicans working with him or not, he will be perceived as the one who set the agenda and tried.
It was saying we have a huge problem..and we have to come together to solve it.
? why is it bigotry to call the American culture superior? It is superior. If I thought Russian, England or China had a better superior culture I would go there. They don't and it is not bigotry to be proud of the culture you belong to or to believe that it is superior. This is another sad attempt to paint racism when there was nothing racist in those comments. Stop, it is sad.
As to the challenge to work together, where did he do that? Did you listen to the same speech? There was not a single thing that hinted at working together. What there was is a DEMAND they pass his pla, period. That is a demand made with no actual plan on the table and not one single solitary specific to go off of. Simply you must pass this NOW. Are we even going to be allowed to read the plan this time?
You made the distinction between "Political" and "Solutions", casting Political as a negative. I think it was both. A Political speech and a Solutions speech.
Except there were no solutions presented. Just vague generalities and a demand that his plan be passed immediately.
This was the last olive branch.
It was well played. This is a marathon effort not a sprint. He's set himself up to look good regardless of what congress does.
I guess he was tone deaf to the 2010 elections, because here he goes again wanting to spend more money. You guys take it for what you want, but I can promise you this, if this bill passes there are going to be a whole lot of politicians out of work in 2012, and that's from both sides of the isle. All this bill is is a chance for politicians in need of campaign funds to line their campaigns with this money, very little will go to what it is supposed to go towards, for an example look at the 800 billion stimulus, we still have no idea where 300 billion of it went to, and now they are asking for another 400 billion in spending. I dont think so.
It wont pass congress and the left will say this is the reason the economy is bad, and people like truth matters will actually believe it.
Bingo.
And now you admit the truth that all you want is a catch 22 for the republicans so that BO can get reelected, something that this is squarely meant to help with. Too bad that is not going to fly. If the republicans do not pass that bill I doubt it will be bad for them. His speech outlined old ideas that have been tried. People are tired of the same old same old bullshit and are not going to give BO a pass on pushing the same crap that is not getting results.
Getting back on the right track is the desire of us all. How we do it seems to be the delimma. Any useful suggestions?
Aside from what the President proposed?
I'll bite:
-Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq. We've killed enough people. I think they got the memo.
One thing that he is finally getting to. Ill agree on this and give him some credit for finally starting in Iraq. Afghanistan is not ready for withdrawal though and the only thing that is worse than a never ending quagmire is to leave the job unfinished.
-Stop the ridiculous war on drugs. Legalize Marijuana. Would be a great revenue stream.
Agree completely but this is another thing that he has done nothing on at all.
-Encourage "work sharing" instead of layoffs.
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-Ramp up the space program. Heck we have a lot of out of work techies. What better way to use them then to put up a moon station.
LOL. Again, I agree completely here but did you not get the memo where he basically destroyed that idea. Never going to happen with BO in the office. I can only surmise that he hates science as there is nothing that he has done to further its pursuit but plenty to stop it...
-Build nuclear plants and get up to speed on our energy grid to incorporate new forms of energy.
!!!! Another thing that BO has completely missed the train on.
-Introduce tariffs to Chinese imports. They wanna play currency games? **** em.
Now here, we agree completely and this fuckup was started by the right. The left has only recently bought off on this idea of complete free trade and I fail to understand why? I would only add that targeting China alone is not smart. We need to address all OUR TRADING PARTNERS. Many should be completely open and free. Those nations that are free like Brittan, Germany, Italy and other major allies. Others like India, China, Indonesia and the rest of the 3rd world are a different matter. I am completely willing to give up my cheap shit for a stronger country.
-Encourage banks to restructure mortgages. They are under investigation right now. We could call it an "out of court" settlement. Probably a lot cheaper way to go on both sides.
That is insane. It is not going to help anything.
-Freeze government worker salaries for a couple of years. The trade off would be no layoffs.
That's a quick and dirty.
They already did the last one on many levels. You're not going to get more out of that tree.
Honestly, the above is almost a 180 on Obama's actual policies. Why is it you defend him so much if all your suggestions disagree with his policies?
2) Jobs are gone and this country cannot recover until those jobs come back.
Or new ones are created. Ones that can't leave the country.
5) I have a problem with a President who promoted a health care bill and stimulus plan that destroyed the economy
This is getting old. If you guys can't show how Obama's plans "destroyed" the economy, then quit whining about it.
Been shown to you a million times. The last thread I engaged you on it, you ran. I know you are more intelligent than that but please stop denying that it has not been addressed. You may disagree but I still feel the facts are not on your side. Until it is shown to those of us that believe the stimulus failed we may never agree on this but don't say they are whining about it when there has been points brought to the table.
