Zone1 God of the Old Testament and New Testament

[Meriweather]

Which is a really bad argument.

It's not an argument (either good or bad) at all. It is truth. What is it that prevents you from seeing God?

 

[kjw47]

What does any of that have to do with the discussion? Do you think you will get more people to choose God by scaring them, or do you think more people will be drawn to God through love and wanting to serve?

Jesus came =Gods image and showed all Gods loving merciful side. But God is a God of justice as well. Jesus( the being God sent to Earth) was by Gods side during Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalekites, etc, giving 100% support for Gods actions. And at Rev 19:11 it is Jesus leading Gods armies to the Earth to destroy the wicked.= Every kingdom( Govt, armies, supporters)Rev 16) on Earth=99% of humankind. Gods view of wicked differs from Mans view.
Satan only has to get one to partake off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21-22) so all they think they do for God= 0 to God if they partake off that table. Satan accomplishes that easily( 2Cor 11:12-15) because it looks good, loving, sharing to the mortal heart.
Like the holiday coming up-Cupid a real life false god is involved in that holiday. Parents hand it to their children.

 

[Meriweather]

Remember what Jesus said about the narrow way and few that find it, and the many are called but few are chosen.

These come from two very different teachings. The second has nothing to do with the narrow gate, but sums up the story of the wedding feast where many were invited, but few accepted the invitation. The king went out and called all who had not been given the invitation...but one arrived without a wedding garment.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It's not an argument (either good or bad) at all. It is truth. What is it that prevents you from seeing God?

Reality.

Also the fact that God looks different to different people in different places. It's too HUMAN a spread for it to be God.

 

[Meriweather]

Reality.

Also the fact that God looks different to different people in different places. It's too HUMAN a spread for it to be God.

I look different to different people. And so do you. People see things differently. Ask any court.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus came =Gods image and showed all Gods loving merciful side. But God is a God of justice as well. Jesus( the being God sent to Earth) was by Gods side during Noah's day, Sodom and Gomorrah, Amalekites, etc, giving 100% support for Gods actions. And at Rev 19:11 it is Jesus leading Gods armies to the Earth to destroy the wicked.= Every kingdom( Govt, armies, supporters)Rev 16) on Earth=99% of humankind. Gods view of wicked differs from Mans view.
Satan only has to get one to partake off the table of demons( 1Cor 10:21-22) so all they think they do for God= 0 to God if they partake off that table. Satan accomplishes that easily( 2Cor 11:12-15) because it looks good, loving, sharing to the mortal heart.
Like the holiday coming up-Cupid a real life false god is involved in that holiday. Parents hand it to their children.

First, Valentine's day: St. Valentine lived in the third century and secretly married Christian couples at a time being Christian was not lawful. This man also kept bees and is the patron saint of beekeepers. Valentine's Day, February 14, is also known for the day birds begin mating. Observing this, it became the time of year that young couples began writing love poems, sharing their love for one another.

Second: Notice how you introduce God. God is loving and merciful...But

What is interesting about this is how "But God" is always used in the Bible. Something bad or wicked is going on, but God comes with compassion and mercy. As noted, Jesus came and God's image was one of compassion and mercy. Your post inverted the Biblical message of God.

But...we people (a couple hundred years later) introduced hell and the image of God condemning people to hell. Our fascination should be more focused with Kingdom living in the here and now (which extends eternally) not with a fiery hell.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I look different to different people. And so do you. People see things differently. Ask any court.

Fine, fine if in Pakistan God looks Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist... but he doesn't.

God looks Christian in Christian countries, Muslim in Muslim countries.

That's not because people see God differently, it's because they're TOLD how to see God.

 

[Meriweather]

Fine, fine if in Pakistan God looks Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist... but he doesn't.

God looks Christian in Christian countries, Muslim in Muslim countries.

That's not because people see God differently, it's because they're TOLD how to see God.

I can't speak for all faiths, but as for Judaism and Christianity, we are taught to seek God. I offer my own experience with atheists in my life: A common theme is that they do not seek God. The more militant ones (very few) tell me why they don't bother to seek God, they offer excuses for not doing so. That brings us back to TOLD. Many point to the Bible and what they think the Bible is telling them about God's character, and they usually reference the Old Testament. A constant theme I offer: Seek God, then study the Bible. Then comes an entirely different perspective.

 

[ding]

I can't speak for all faiths, but as for Judaism and Christianity, we are taught to seek God. I offer my own experience with atheists in my life: A common theme is that they do not seek God. The more militant ones (very few) tell me why they don't bother to seek God, they offer excuses for not doing so. That brings us back to TOLD. Many point to the Bible and what they think the Bible is telling them about God's character, and they usually reference the Old Testament. A constant theme I offer: Seek God, then study the Bible. Then comes an entirely different perspective.

Excellent advice. It comes down to what one desires. Worshipping the created or worshipping the creator. But we're going to worship something. We are hardwired for it.

 

[Donald H]

I think you mean to say symbolic representatives of the first humans who became aware of their origin.

Yes, symbolic.

I think I've made my point in our bullring discussion. We're essentially agreeing that none of; the bible's fairy tales are literally true. Do find some exceptions if you really mush.

For that reason I think that the discussion is going to have to be moved somewhere else so that we can read some of the others' comments. Also, I frankly find it a waste of my time trying to convince you of anything.

Unless you provide something of interest, I'm leaving the discussion in the bullring.

What context do you think that statement lacked? Could it be that you aren't aware of the implications of the necessity that life be an unbroken continuous chain? My statement was chock full of context that flew over your head.

If your submission is saying that all living things on earth are descended from a common ancestor then I accept it.

And fwiw, that concludes the A and E question in my favour.

If the discussion is still important to you, start it again outside the bullring.

 

[Donald H]

I can't speak for all faiths, but as for Judaism and Christianity, we are taught to seek God. I offer my own experience with atheists in my life: A common theme is that they do not seek God. The more militant ones (very few) tell me why they don't bother to seek God, they offer excuses for not doing so. That brings us back to TOLD. Many point to the Bible and what they think the Bible is telling them about God's character, and they usually reference the Old Testament. A constant theme I offer: Seek God, then study the Bible. Then comes an entirely different perspective.

I think you'll find that many atheists actually do seek a god. We bother to take part in these discussions on religion, in part to hear some evidence of there being a god.

Likewise, many Christians take part in these discussions for the reason that they are not completely convinced by their faith that their religion is true.

We, both believers and non-believers are a small number compared to the majority who have no intention of hearing evidence that isn't consistent with their established views.
So we can conclude that there are two groups taking part here on the 'religion' discussion. Believers and non-believers.
But there is a third group! They are the ones who are here to mock the views of the first two groups..

I'll just add to that that some are here to spread the word, both Christian and atheist, both pro and con.
Do you have any other reasons for taking part here? I don't that I'm presently aware of?

 

[kjw47]

First, Valentine's day: St. Valentine lived in the third century and secretly married Christian couples at a time being Christian was not lawful. This man also kept bees and is the patron saint of beekeepers. Valentine's Day, February 14, is also known for the day birds begin mating. Observing this, it became the time of year that young couples began writing love poems, sharing their love for one another.

Second: Notice how you introduce God. God is loving and merciful...But

What is interesting about this is how "But God" is always used in the Bible. Something bad or wicked is going on, but God comes with compassion and mercy. As noted, Jesus came and God's image was one of compassion and mercy. Your post inverted the Biblical message of God.

But...we people (a couple hundred years later) introduced hell and the image of God condemning people to hell. Our fascination should be more focused with Kingdom living in the here and now (which extends eternally) not with a fiery hell.

God is loving and merciful, but a God of justice as well. He has warned the earth what is coming well in advance. Its as Jesus taught=Luke 17:26--As in the days of Noah, the world took no note. Jesus said-FEW will find the road= 1% tops. Most are mislead to partake off the table of demons.
Yes eternal suffering is not literal. Blind guides teach it as literal.
Gods #1 commandment-Thou shalt not have any other gods before you= cupid as well. A true life false god, worshipped by humans for centuries, included in valentines day. The same with Easter-The false god involved in the Chaldean rites of spring= Astarte( 2nd t silent), Ishtar( pronounced eastar) in another language on the Assyrian monuments. They named that holiday after the false god.--Satan truly is the ruler of this world. The god of this system of things, he has blinded 99%.

 

[ding]

I think I've made my point in our bullring discussion. We're essentially agreeing that none of; the bible's fairy tales are literally true. Do find some exceptions if you really mush.

It's slightly more complicated than that. So, no, you didn't make that point. That you see these texts as having no value reflects poorly on your intellect.

 

[ding]

For that reason I think that the discussion is going to have to be moved somewhere else so that we can read some of the others' comments. Also, I frankly find it a waste of my time trying to convince you of anything.

Unless you provide something of interest, I'm leaving the discussion in the bullring.

That's because you are a pussy and a coward.

 

[ding]

If your submission is saying that all living things on earth are descended from a common ancestor then I accept it.

And fwiw, that concludes the A and E question in my favour.

If the discussion is still important to you, start it again outside the bullring.

It doesn't even scratch the surface of your ignorance. Run away.

 

[Donald H]

It's slightly more complicated than that. So, no, you didn't make that point. That you see these texts as having no value reflects poorly on your intellect.

I don't see the texts as having no value. We agree on them not being literally true but that's not saying they have no value.

 

[Donald H]

I can't say either way on there being value in the lie on the god saying he created the earth before the sun, but maybe somebody or Ding can clear that question up?

And fwiw, I can't see any amount of value in the Noah's ark bullshit, considering the immense size of the lie and it's negative effect on children and the feeble minded.

 

[ding]

I don't see the texts as having no value. We agree on them not being literally true but that's not saying they have no value.

That's exactly what you are implying.

 

[ding]

I can't say either way on there being value in the lie on the god saying he created the earth before the sun, but maybe somebody or Ding can clear that question up?

And fwiw, I can't see any amount of value in the Noah's ark bullshit, considering the immense size of the lie and it's negative effect on children and the feeble minded.

It's been explained to you before. Either you were too dumb to understand or you were being willfully ignorant. So of course you won't see any value in these ancient accounts. As far as I'm concerned, you are the feeble minded.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I can't speak for all faiths, but as for Judaism and Christianity, we are taught to seek God. I offer my own experience with atheists in my life: A common theme is that they do not seek God. The more militant ones (very few) tell me why they don't bother to seek God, they offer excuses for not doing so. That brings us back to TOLD. Many point to the Bible and what they think the Bible is telling them about God's character, and they usually reference the Old Testament. A constant theme I offer: Seek God, then study the Bible. Then comes an entirely different perspective.

Why would you need to study the Bible to seek God? The Bible is literally telling you what to do.

Back to my point. Religion is based on geography, Islam in the Middle East, Indonesia, parts of central Asia, northern Africa down the east coast. Christianity in southern Africa, West Africa, the Americas, Europe except for part of Albania and Kosovo, other parts of the British Empire like Australia. Buddhism in south east Asia, India in Hinduism, Sikhism, etc, Japan with Shintoism.

Other things are geographical. Food preference. Spicy food in Thailand, India, parts of China like Sichuan, Shaanxi. Drinking culture, some places, like Muslim countries, barely drink at all, some places like the UK, Russia, etc drink like crazy. Different choices of alcohol, like wine in France, Vodka in Russia.

Such things are part of "nurture". People do these, kids are born and grow up to do these things because they're what is done.

Religion is the same. Totally human.