Zone1 God created the light before he created the sun what does that really mean

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And Judaism is corrupt and filled with paganism and deception

Does your westboro Baptist like church teach that God hates pagans and Jews?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

You know that public exposure of private facts is an actionable tort. One day you are going to expose the wrong woman and she will sue you into oblivion.

That is, if she doesn't shoot you and the adult, shake down child.

except for the "shake down child" [which in most cases would a "gold digger"] sounds like the way divorce works and that's by design.

 

[Quantrill]

This is my interpretation. Its a mistranslation. It isnt sunlight its enlightenment
Essentially, enlightenment is a state of being where one gains a deeper, more complete understanding of life and oneself, often leading to a more peaceful and fulfilling existence.
Its a value, quality, aspect inherent in every human mind that separates us from the animals. That God created this first shows how vital it is to our being human. This is what drives us motivates us to create art, music, poetry, prose, give back to humanity from our experience and most of all create a life with meaning.
Fast forward 5000 years
Striving to find meaning in one’s life is the primary motivational force in man ~Viktor Frankl ~
His famous book, Man’s Search for Meaning, tells the story of how he survived the Holocaust by finding personal meaning in the experience, which gave him the will to live through it. He went on to later establish a new school of existential therapy called logotherapy, based in the premise that man’s underlying motivator in life is a “will to meaning,” even in the most difficult of circumstances.

Frankl pointed to research indicating a strong relationship between “meaninglessness” and criminal behaviors, addictions and depression. Without meaning, people fill the void with hedonistic pleasures, power, materialism, hatred, boredom, or neurotic obsessions and compulsions. Some may also strive for Suprameaning, the ultimate meaning in life, a spiritual kind of meaning that depends solely on a greater power outside of personal or external control.

Back to Genesis
Heres another concept if you accept my interpretation so far. There is a being called the bearer of light. Am angle must bring the light to humanity.
AI Overview

"The bearer of light" is a direct translation of the name Lucifer, referring to the Latin word lucifer, and historically describes the morning star, the planet Venus. The term can also signify individuals guided toward spiritual enlightenment, such as in Christianity, or celestial bodies like the sun and moon. In other contexts, "light-bearer" describes a person who brings spiritual understanding.

So how did he become the devil? There is no devil in Judaism we are absolute monotheists. Satan is the Hebrew word for a liar on the level of perjury. I believe Christians needed a god of evil because they came from the roots of dualism the endless war between good. and evil. Thats OK they can believe what they want and Christianity grew into a moral culture that benefits humanity.

My main point we all need to have life with meaning. Use this thread to state what your life means and do you have an ultimate meaning or goal. Ill start
My mother was 16 and my father 24. I never knew them and was put in a foster home. I was adopted by a very religious Jewish couple who gave me great family. My goal was to find my mother and father. 52 years later I did just that. Then my life was devoted to making adoption better. Its long story this is long enough.

It is not a mistranslation.

In (Gen. 1:1) there was light as that was the original creation. And God is the light. (1 John 1:5) "...God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. In (Gen. 1:1) there was the light of God. And the universe was created was created at a time when the angels already existed and were yet unfallen. (Job 38:4-7) " Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth....When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." The Sons of God is the Old Testament term for any person of direct creation such as angels. Satan and his angels had not yet rebelled against God.

In (Gen. 1:2) a different picture of the earth is given. One of darkness and chaos under the flood of waters. It is a picture of destruction and judgement. Between the verses of (Gen. 1:1) and (Gen. 1:2) was Satan's rebellion. Causing severe judgement from God as Satan's authority involved the earth. We don't know how long God removed His light from over the earth. But He did remove it.

So when God decided to recreate the earth, He first cast His light back upon it. (Gen. 1:3). But he would remove His light as now the earth had been stained with sin.

And now He will provide a substitute light, the Sun, to replace His light. Why, because sin has caused him to remove His light. So the earth will now be under the substitute light. The Sun. (Gen. 1:14).

Making what is usually called the six day creation story, actually the recreation story.

So, no mistranslation.

Quantrill

 

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It is not a mistranslation.

In (Gen. 1:1) there was light as that was the original creation. And God is the light. (1 John 1:5) "...God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. In (Gen. 1:1) there was the light of God. And the universe was created was created at a time when the angels already existed and were yet unfallen. (Job 38:4-7) " Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth....When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." The Sons of God is the Old Testament term for any person of direct creation such as angels. Satan and his angels had not yet rebelled against God.

In (Gen. 1:2) a different picture of the earth is given. One of darkness and chaos under the flood of waters. It is a picture of destruction and judgement. Between the verses of (Gen. 1:1) and (Gen. 1:2) was Satan's rebellion. Causing severe judgement from God as Satan's authority involved the earth. We don't know how long God removed His light from over the earth. But He did remove it.

So when God decided to recreate the earth, He first cast His light back upon it. (Gen. 1:3). But he would remove His light as now the earth had been stained with sin.

And now He will provide a substitute light, the Sun, to replace His light. Why, because sin has caused him to remove His light. So the earth will now be under the substitute light. The Sun. (Gen. 1:14).

Making what is usually called the six day creation story, actually the recreation story.

So, no mistranslation.

Quantrill

That’s some kind of pretzel logic.

 

[Quantrill]

That’s some kind of pretzel logic.

It is Scripture.

Quantrill

 

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It is Scripture.

Quantrill

No. It’s you butt ******* scripture.

 

[Quantrill]

No. It’s you butt ******* scripture.

I gave you the Scripture, but...you don't have to believe it.

Quantrill

 

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I gave you the Scripture, but...you don't have to believe it.

Quantrill

I don’t believe your pretzel logic.

 

[Quantrill]

I don’t believe your pretzel logic.

That's fine. But it's Scripture.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

In fact, the persecution of the Jewish people defies explanation, spanning centuries, and various religions, and various cultures.

It's explained clearly in the Bible.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is not a mistranslation.

In (Gen. 1:1) there was light as that was the original creation. And God is the light. (1 John 1:5) "...God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. In (Gen. 1:1) there was the light of God. And the universe was created was created at a time when the angels already existed and were yet unfallen. (Job 38:4-7) " Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth....When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy." The Sons of God is the Old Testament term for any person of direct creation such as angels. Satan and his angels had not yet rebelled against God.

In (Gen. 1:2) a different picture of the earth is given. One of darkness and chaos under the flood of waters. It is a picture of destruction and judgement. Between the verses of (Gen. 1:1) and (Gen. 1:2) was Satan's rebellion. Causing severe judgement from God as Satan's authority involved the earth. We don't know how long God removed His light from over the earth. But He did remove it.

So when God decided to recreate the earth, He first cast His light back upon it. (Gen. 1:3). But he would remove His light as now the earth had been stained with sin.

And now He will provide a substitute light, the Sun, to replace His light. Why, because sin has caused him to remove His light. So the earth will now be under the substitute light. The Sun. (Gen. 1:14).

Making what is usually called the six day creation story, actually the recreation story.

So, no mistranslation.

Quantrill

You are correct that Genesis describes a recreation of much of the earth's surface and ecology (Gap Theory), however is likely that the 'darkness' shrouding the 'deep' was the same supernatural darkness that God had later plagued Egypt with. "Let there be light" simply means that God removed that darkness and the preexisting sun shone once again upon the earth.

 

[Quantrill]

You are correct that Genesis describes a recreation of much of the earth's surface and ecology (Gap Theory), however is likely that the 'darkness' shrouding the 'deep' was the same supernatural darkness that God had later plagued Egypt with. "Let there be light" simply means that God removed that darkness and the preexisting sun shone once again upon the earth.

No, the substitute light was not created until the 4th day. (Gen. 1:14-16).

The light in (Gen. 1:3-4) is the light of God. Not created. But God can shed His light, and He can turn it off when He wants to.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

No, the substitute light was not created until the 4th day. (Gen. 1:14-16).

The light in (Gen. 1:3-4) is the light of God. Not created. But God can shed His light, and He can turn it off when He wants to.

Quantrill

The sun shined on 'garden earth', the first Eden, from the beginning. Science dates the age of the sun as the same as the earth, which makes sense Biblically as well. The earth was created as a sensual dwelling place for the angels. What is more sensual than the warmth of the sun.

 

[Quantrill]

The sun shined on 'garden earth', the first Eden, from the beginning. Science dates the age of the sun as the same as the earth, which makes sense Biblically as well. The earth was created as a sensual dwelling place for the angels. What is more sensual than the warmth of the sun.

Well, science is mistaken. And science wasn't there when God created the sun.

Biblically, I already showed you that the sun was not created till the 4th day. (Gen. 1:14) The light in (Gen. 1:3) was the light of God, later substituted by the artificial light of the sun.

The garden was not made till after (Gen. 1:14) and after man and the sun was created. (Gen. 2:7-8)

The angels had a role to play in God's purpose for the earth, but God's end-game purpose has always been for man to inherit the earth. (Acts 15:18) "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world."

Quantrill

 

[cnm]

Not sure how one could enter the death camps in places like Auschwitz and question the existence of evil.

In fact, the persecution of the Jewish people defies explanation, spanning centuries, and various religions, and various cultures.

I'm convinced that these people don't even fully understand what drives them to hate like this.

And today, the world is poised for another Holocaust as Israel is the target of every Left wing talking head out there, along with the entire Islamic world.

The holocaust has arrived already, delivered by Israel's actions and America's enablement.

 

[Woodznutz]

Well, science is mistaken. And science wasn't there when God created the sun.

Biblically, I already showed you that the sun was not created till the 4th day. (Gen. 1:14) The light in (Gen. 1:3) was the light of God, later substituted by the artificial light of the sun.

The garden was not made till after (Gen. 1:14) and after man and the sun was created. (Gen. 2:7-8)

The angels had a role to play in God's purpose for the earth, but God's end-game purpose has always been for man to inherit the earth. (Acts 15:18) "Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world."

Quantrill

The events in the garden in Genesis were a small reenactment of the original rebellion that cost the angels paradise. See Jude 1:6. Even the creation of Lucifer is suggested in the creation of Eve.

 

[Quantrill]

The events in the garden in Genesis were a small reenactment of the original rebellion that cost the angels paradise. See Jude 1:6. Even the creation of Lucifer is suggested in the creation of Eve.

I don't believe Jude 6 is speaking of the original rebellion of Satan and his angels. I think it is referring to the 'sons of God' in (Gen. 6:1-2). And those angels, who were already fallen with Satan, did this sin of cohabiting with human women. And for that they were imprisoned by God until the future judgement upon the earth, the Tribulation.

I don't see any resemblance in the creation of Eve to that of Lucifer.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't believe Jude 6 is speaking of the original rebellion of Satan and his angels. I think it is referring to the 'sons of God' in (Gen. 6:1-2). And those angels, who were already fallen with Satan, did this sin of cohabiting with human women. And for that they were imprisoned by God until the future judgement upon the earth, the Tribulation.

I don't see any resemblance in the creation of Eve to that of Lucifer.

Quantrill

The events in the garden were scripted by God else why was the Devil allowed to deceive Eve? The rebellion had already occurred. Why was Satan still on the loose?

The creation of Eve from the substance of Adam is a reflection of the creation of Lucifer as a 'special angel' likely created from God's own substance. Recall that there wasn't a suitable companion for Adam among the animals. Likewise, God created Lucifer out of different 'stuff' than the other angels as a suitable companion for himself. Lucifer was perfect in beauty, brains, and (musical) talent until "iniquity" was found in him(her).

 

[Quantrill]

The events in the garden were scripted by God else why was the Devil allowed to deceive Eve? The rebellion had already occurred. Why was Satan still on the loose?

The creation of Eve from the substance of Adam is a reflection of the creation of Lucifer as a 'special angel' likely created from God's own substance. Recall that there wasn't a suitable companion for Adam among the animals. Likewise, God created Lucifer out of different 'stuff' than the other angels as a suitable companion for himself. Lucifer was perfect in beauty, brains, and (musical) talent until "iniquity" was found in him(her).

I disagree. Though all was certainly the plan of God, Satan was not following any script. He was doing what he wanted to do. He did what he did because of who he was. Satan certainly fulfills God's plan, but not because he wants to. He does what he does as he is against God and hates man who has/will replace his authority over the earth.

There is no similarity in Eve and Satan's creation. Satan, or Lucifer, is not created out of God's substance, as Eve was of man. There is nothing to indicate God created him as a companion for Himself. God always knew who Lucifer was. A murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44) Lucifer is all that God isn't. He is evil personified. Even before he rebelled against God, he was in his heart against God.

Eve was tempted and deceived by Satan. There was no outside force tempting Satan. He just finally did what he always wanted to do. He wanted to be like God. (Is. 14:14) Thus he tempted Eve with his same desire. (Gen. 3:5)

My opinion.

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

I disagree. Though all was certainly the plan of God, Satan was not following any script. He was doing what he wanted to do. He did what he did because of who he was. Satan certainly fulfills God's plan, but not because he wants to. He does what he does as he is against God and hates man who has/will replace his authority over the earth.

There is no similarity in Eve and Satan's creation. Satan, or Lucifer, is not created out of God's substance, as Eve was of man. There is nothing to indicate God created him as a companion for Himself. God always knew who Lucifer was. A murderer from the beginning. (John 8:44) Lucifer is all that God isn't. He is evil personified. Even before he rebelled against God, he was in his heart against God.

Eve was tempted and deceived by Satan. There was no outside force tempting Satan. He just finally did what he always wanted to do. He wanted to be like God. (Is. 14:14) Thus he tempted Eve with his same desire. (Gen. 3:5)

My opinion.

Quantrill

Of course, when God allowed Satan into the garden, he knew exactly what he would do. All according to God's plan.

Lucifer was the antetype 'wife'. My opinion.