Zone1 God created the light before he created the sun what does that really mean

[Cougarbear]

Hafar, the OP. His business is tracking down birth mothers so the children that were adopted can confront them. It's pernicious.

If the reason is for "confronting" the mothers, that's really sick. I've seen where sometimes it's a great thing and works out really well. But, I've also seen just the opposite. One person I knew back 45 years ago, when he became 18 year of age, he found out where his biological dad was living and went up unannounced to meet him. He thought his dad would be really happy. He found out what the end of a shotgun barrel looked like in his face and told to never come back. On the other hand, I watched two sisters find out they have a half sister and their mother never told them. It's most likely the reason for the father to have committed suicide when they were much younger. But, these two sisters are real angels. They accepted happily their half sister and forgave their mother as well before her death. Hard to know if it is going to be worth the time and effort.

 

[Cougarbear]

Lucifer isnt the devil or fallen angel he is the bearer of light. Its an allegory with metaphors not literal. Much has been distorted.

Nothing has been distorted. Lucifer is in fact a fallen son of god or angel. We are all spirit children of God. Lucifer fell because he refused to accept Heavenly Father's plan of salvation making all go to the earth to experience mortality and learn to choose good or evil freely on our own. He gave us the Light of Christ to guide our conscience. Unfortunately, one-third of our spirit brothers and sisters also refused to follow Father's plan and were driven out of heaven into the earth never to receive a physical human body to be resurrected in and have the potential of eternal life and exaltation. When Lucifer was driven out, he became Satan, the Devil. His army of fallen angels became devils as well to tempt and torment mankind.

 

[Cougarbear]

I spent 15 years bringing adoptees and their families together at their request always with their permission. I also mediated these reunions. I brought long lost families together to heal and find closure. Im proud of that

That's awesome! When it works out, it's wonderful. And, the way you are doing this is the correct way to approach this. Were you an adoptee at one time that motivates you to do this?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If the reason is for "confronting" the mothers, that's really sick. I've seen where sometimes it's a great thing and works out really well. But, I've also seen just the opposite. One person I knew back 45 years ago, when he became 18 year of age, he found out where his biological dad was living and went up unannounced to meet him. He thought his dad would be really happy. He found out what the end of a shotgun barrel looked like in his face and told to never come back. On the other hand, I watched two sisters find out they have a half sister and their mother never told them. It's most likely the reason for the father to have committed suicide when they were much younger. But, these two sisters are real angels. They accepted happily their half sister and forgave their mother as well before her death. Hard to know if it is going to be worth the time and effort.

There was someone who used to post, here or on another board somewhere who confronted her mother and got verbally decapitated. Mom said if she had known this day would come, she would have had an abortion. That was among the NICE things she said.

I agree there should be a registry where those who want to be found can be found. But, tracking down innocent people who may have created lives for themselves just to bring the hammer down. I could never agree with that. It's evil.

 

[Hafar1014]

That's awesome! When it works out, it's wonderful. And, the way you are doing this is the correct way to approach this. Were you an adoptee at one time that motivates you to do this?

Yes I am adopted we are all adopted for life. Thank you

 

[Cougarbear]

There was someone who used to post, here or on another board somewhere who confronted her mother and got verbally decapitated. Mom said if she had known this day would come, she would have had an abortion. That was among the NICE things she said.

I agree there should be a registry where those who want to be found can be found. But, tracking down innocent people who may have created lives for themselves just to bring the hammer down. I could never agree with that. It's evil.

Doesn't sound like that's what he does. He helps make the contacts with the biological mothers and only brings them together if they so want to. I'm okay with this. Most parents aren't going to be like that mother or the father my friend met with a shotgun pointing at him. Most give up their children because they want a better life for their children. One student of mine when I taught high school had a son in her junior year. Her mother would have helped her but she wanted more for her son and gave him up for adoption. The adoptive parents were open to her visiting on occasions and now has a very good relationship with him as an adult.

 

[Cougarbear]

Yes I am adopted we are all adopted for life. Thank you

Very true. So, you have been adopted twice!

 

[Hafar1014]

Nothing has been distorted. Lucifer is in fact a fallen son of god or angel. We are all spirit children of God. Lucifer fell because he refused to accept Heavenly Father's plan of salvation making all go to the earth to experience mortality and learn to choose good or evil freely on our own. He gave us the Light of Christ to guide our conscience. Unfortunately, one-third of our spirit brothers and sisters also refused to follow Father's plan and were driven out of heaven into the earth never to receive a physical human body to be resurrected in and have the potential of eternal life and exaltation. When Lucifer was driven out, he became Satan, the Devil. His army of fallen angels became devils as well to tempt and torment mankind.

Thats my point Lucifer's meaning was changed. He isnt the devil there is no devil in Genesis. Satan means liar there is no devil in Judaism. Genesis is a Hebrew work.
Lucifer is the morning start the bearer of enlightenment. There is no original sin or fall of man. Its Gods moral teaching of man and Trial for mans freedom which Adam passed.

 

[Hafar1014]

If the reason is for "confronting" the mothers, that's really sick. I've seen where sometimes it's a great thing and works out really well. But, I've also seen just the opposite. One person I knew back 45 years ago, when he became 18 year of age, he found out where his biological dad was living and went up unannounced to meet him. He thought his dad would be really happy. He found out what the end of a shotgun barrel looked like in his face and told to never come back. On the other hand, I watched two sisters find out they have a half sister and their mother never told them. It's most likely the reason for the father to have committed suicide when they were much younger. But, these two sisters are real angels. They accepted happily their half sister and forgave their mother as well before her death. Hard to know if it is going to be worth the time and effort.

No one is ever confronted. I contact them as gently as possible and protect their wishes. They must agree. Then I have a protocol to bring them together slowly. They write questions for each other, exchange pictures, then they can email each other then a phone call. Sometimes entire families are involved. Its beautiful thing to see them come together after many years.

 

[Hafar1014]

Very true. So, you have been adopted twice!

No once was enough we look at adoption as life long experience. We are adopted forever

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Doesn't sound like that's what he does. He helps make the contacts with the biological mothers and only brings them together if they so want to. I'm okay with this. Most parents aren't going to be like that mother or the father my friend met with a shotgun pointing at him. Most give up their children because they want a better life for their children. One student of mine when I taught high school had a son in her junior year. Her mother would have hers helped her but she wanted more for her son and gave him up for adoption. The adoptive parents were open to her visiting on occasions and now has a very good relationship with him as an adult.

Even if they want a better life for their child, they may not want their own lives destroyed in the process. The woman may have moved on, married, has a family who doesn't know. Now her privacy has been invaded and her family disrupted in the worst possible way. She may find that her husband leaves her. Her children disown her. A past she thought behind her and suddenly she has nothing.

All because some destructive busy body knows best how to live her life.

 

[Hafar1014]

Even if they want a better life for their child, they may not want their own lives destroyed in the process. The woman may have moved on, married, has a family who doesn't know. Now her privacy has been invaded and her family disrupted in the worst possible way. She may find that her husband leaves her. Her children disown her. A past she thought behind her and suddenly she has nothing.

All because some destructive busy body knows best how to live her life.

No ones life was destroyed. They always gave their consent first.
So how long have you hated your mother. Yourself

 

[Alter2Ego]

This is my interpretation. Its a mistranslation. It isnt sunlight its enlightenment
Essentially, enlightenment is a state of being where one gains a deeper, more complete understanding of life and oneself, often leading to a more peaceful and fulfilling existence.

Your interpretation is not supported by scripture. The Genesis creation account is abundantly clear that it was with reference to literal light.

Genesis 1:2​

Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

Genesis 1:3​

And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.


FYI: The sun and the moon are not the only sources of light. Those and the other luminaries (the stars) were created for the benefit of mankind. Jehovah God, the Creator, made it clear he had the ability to produce light prior to his creation of the luminaries.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No ones life was destroyed. They always gave their consent first.
So how long have you hated your mother. Yourself

No wonder you're in therapy.

You just tell these unwanted souls that Mom doesn't want to be bothered. You look for anything that has a chance of bringing some kind of pain to someone.

This must be how you deal with your own misfortune.

 

[Hafar1014]

Your interpretation is not supported by scripture. The Genesis creation account is abundantly clear that it was with reference to literal light.

Genesis 1:2​

Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

Genesis 1:3​

And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light.


FYI: The sun and the moon are not the only sources of light. Those and the other luminaries (the stars) were created for the benefit of mankind. Jehovah God, the Creator, made it clear he had the ability to produce light prior to his creation of the luminaries.

Can you read Hebrew? Its an allegory and you have no idea what it means. Its Jewish not a Christian creation

 

[Cougarbear]

Thats my point Lucifer's meaning was changed. He isnt the devil there is no devil in Genesis. Satan means liar there is no devil in Judaism. Genesis is a Hebrew work.
Lucifer is the morning start the bearer of enlightenment. There is no original sin or fall of man. Its Gods moral teaching of man and Trial for mans freedom which Adam passed.

Yes, Lucifer fell and became the devil, the serpent in the Garden of Eden who tempted Adam. Adam didn't bite so he slithered over to Eve and tempted Eve. Eve bit and then got Adam to bite too. If not, Adam would have been left a lone man as Eve was going to be kicked out. Eventually, Adam or Eve would have been tempted by themselves about the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and the same events would have taken place with Adam and Eve driven out into the lone and dreary world. Because Lucifer, now Satan did the dirty deed, he was to never win and there was Jesus Christ put between mankind and Satan with the upcoming atonement. Satan can tempt and torment mankind but will eventually be crushed by Jesus Christ's power and authority. So, It's Jesus or Jehovah wo is the bearer of enlightenment and gives the light of Christ to all mankind to know good and evil. You are deceived by Satan (Lucifer) and need to overcome your cognitive dissonance and learn knowledge of God correctly. Without this, you cannot progress in this life or the next.

 

[Cougarbear]

Even if they want a better life for their child, they may not want their own lives destroyed in the process. The woman may have moved on, married, has a family who doesn't know. Now her privacy has been invaded and her family disrupted in the worst possible way. She may find that her husband leaves her. Her children disown her. A past she thought behind her and suddenly she has nothing.

All because some destructive busy body knows best how to live her life.

You know any of this for sure? You excuses are really lame. Nothing wrong with him doing the first contact to see if there is any interest. Had the young man I mentioned had someone like this to do the first contact, he would not have had a shotgun pointed at him by his biological jerk father. I see no harm and have seen lots of good come from this sort of thing. Sounds like you have a past history that warps your senses.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You know any of this for sure? You excuses are really lame. Nothing wrong with him doing the first contact to see if there is any interest. Had the young man I mentioned had someone like this to do the first contact, he would not have had a shotgun pointed at him by his biological jerk father. I see no harm and have seen lots of good come from this sort of thing. Sounds like you have a past history that warps your senses.

I have only known one person personally that was adopted along with two sisters. Nothing remarkable there. And one person who p osted on line about her search for her biological mother. It deeply hurt her adopted mother but, you gotta do what you gotta do. That was a complete disaster with biological mom saying if she had known this day would come she would have had an abortion. Other than those two, nothing. So, no history.

There should be a registry so that people who want to find each other can do so. To have some meddler who believes women have no rights is a travesty. Sometimes a shotgun is necessary.

 

[Cougarbear]

I have only known one person personally that was adopted along with two sisters. Nothing remarkable there. And one person who p osted on line about her search for her biological mother. It deeply hurt her adopted mother but, you gotta do what you gotta do. That was a complete disaster with biological mom saying if she had known this day would come she would have had an abortion. Other than those two, nothing. So, no history.

There should be a registry so that people who want to find each other can do so. To have some meddler who believes women have no rights is a travesty. Sometimes a shotgun is necessary.

I believe there are registries. I still don't know what your objection really is.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

I believe there are registries. I still don't know what your objection really is.

Invasion of privacy. When a girl believes records should be sealed and confidential, they should be sealed and confidential.