Zone1 God created the light before he created the sun what does that really mean

Of course, when God allowed Satan into the garden, he knew exactly what he would do. All according to God's plan.

Lucifer was the antetype 'wife'. My opinion.

Yes, I know God knew what he would do. That is what I said. As opposed to you saying Lucifer was following some kind of script. That's fine, just keep following my lead. Are you taking notes?

That Lucifer was an 'antitype wife' has no basis in Scripture, as I showed you using Scripture. In other words, your 'opinion' is not supported in Scripture.

Quantrill
 
This is my interpretation. Its a mistranslation. It isnt sunlight its enlightenment
Essentially, enlightenment is a state of being where one gains a deeper, more complete understanding of life and oneself, often leading to a more peaceful and fulfilling existence.
Its a value, quality, aspect inherent in every human mind that separates us from the animals. That God created this first shows how vital it is to our being human. This is what drives us motivates us to create art, music, poetry, prose, give back to humanity from our experience and most of all create a life with meaning.
Fast forward 5000 years
Striving to find meaning in one’s life is the primary motivational force in man ~Viktor Frankl ~
His famous book, Man’s Search for Meaning, tells the story of how he survived the Holocaust by finding personal meaning in the experience, which gave him the will to live through it. He went on to later establish a new school of existential therapy called logotherapy, based in the premise that man’s underlying motivator in life is a “will to meaning,” even in the most difficult of circumstances.

Frankl pointed to research indicating a strong relationship between “meaninglessness” and criminal behaviors, addictions and depression. Without meaning, people fill the void with hedonistic pleasures, power, materialism, hatred, boredom, or neurotic obsessions and compulsions. Some may also strive for Suprameaning, the ultimate meaning in life, a spiritual kind of meaning that depends solely on a greater power outside of personal or external control.

Back to Genesis
Heres another concept if you accept my interpretation so far. There is a being called the bearer of light. Am angle must bring the light to humanity.
AI Overview

"The bearer of light" is a direct translation of the name Lucifer, referring to the Latin word lucifer, and historically describes the morning star, the planet Venus. The term can also signify individuals guided toward spiritual enlightenment, such as in Christianity, or celestial bodies like the sun and moon. In other contexts, "light-bearer" describes a person who brings spiritual understanding.

So how did he become the devil? There is no devil in Judaism we are absolute monotheists. Satan is the Hebrew word for a liar on the level of perjury. I believe Christians needed a god of evil because they came from the roots of dualism the endless war between good. and evil. Thats OK they can believe what they want and Christianity grew into a moral culture that benefits humanity.

My main point we all need to have life with meaning. Use this thread to state what your life means and do you have an ultimate meaning or goal. Ill start
My mother was 16 and my father 24. I never knew them and was put in a foster home. I was adopted by a very religious Jewish couple who gave me great family. My goal was to find my mother and father. 52 years later I did just that. Then my life was devoted to making adoption better. Its long story this is long enough.
It is fact that light existed in the universe before stars.
 
Yes, I know God knew what he would do. That is what I said. As opposed to you saying Lucifer was following some kind of script. That's fine, just keep following my lead. Are you taking notes?

That Lucifer was an 'antitype wife' has no basis in Scripture, as I showed you using Scripture. In other words, your 'opinion' is not supported in Scripture.

Quantrill
God hides things (in scripture) for us to discover.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to search it out."
Proverbs 25:2

Are we not kings and priests? We understand things that the prophets wished to know.

"For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them." -Jesus
 
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God hides things (in scripture) for us to discover.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter and the honor of kings to search it out."
Proverbs 25:2

Are we not kings and priests?

Glad you took notes. But you misuse them.

Until you discover something, it is just your opinion. Support it with Scripture. Just because you have an opinion, you can't base it on something not yet revealed. How stupid.

But, keep following my lead.

Quantrill
 
Glad you took notes. But you misuse them.

Until you discover something, it is just your opinion. Support it with Scripture. Just because you have an opinion, you can't base it on something not yet revealed. How stupid.

But, keep following my lead.

Quantrill
You seem to be knowledgeable about some things, but not enough to dissuade me from the things that I believe. There is very little written about events prior to Genesis 1:2 but enough to form a pretty good picture.
 
This is my interpretation. Its a mistranslation. It isnt sunlight its enlightenment
Essentially, enlightenment is a state of being where one gains a deeper, more complete understanding of life and oneself, often leading to a more peaceful and fulfilling existence.
Its a value, quality, aspect inherent in every human mind that separates us from the animals. That God created this first shows how vital it is to our being human. This is what drives us motivates us to create art, music, poetry, prose, give back to humanity from our experience and most of all create a life with meaning.
Fast forward 5000 years
Striving to find meaning in one’s life is the primary motivational force in man ~Viktor Frankl ~
His famous book, Man’s Search for Meaning, tells the story of how he survived the Holocaust by finding personal meaning in the experience, which gave him the will to live through it. He went on to later establish a new school of existential therapy called logotherapy, based in the premise that man’s underlying motivator in life is a “will to meaning,” even in the most difficult of circumstances.

Frankl pointed to research indicating a strong relationship between “meaninglessness” and criminal behaviors, addictions and depression. Without meaning, people fill the void with hedonistic pleasures, power, materialism, hatred, boredom, or neurotic obsessions and compulsions. Some may also strive for Suprameaning, the ultimate meaning in life, a spiritual kind of meaning that depends solely on a greater power outside of personal or external control.

Back to Genesis
Heres another concept if you accept my interpretation so far. There is a being called the bearer of light. Am angle must bring the light to humanity.
AI Overview

"The bearer of light" is a direct translation of the name Lucifer, referring to the Latin word lucifer, and historically describes the morning star, the planet Venus. The term can also signify individuals guided toward spiritual enlightenment, such as in Christianity, or celestial bodies like the sun and moon. In other contexts, "light-bearer" describes a person who brings spiritual understanding.

So how did he become the devil? There is no devil in Judaism we are absolute monotheists. Satan is the Hebrew word for a liar on the level of perjury. I believe Christians needed a god of evil because they came from the roots of dualism the endless war between good. and evil. Thats OK they can believe what they want and Christianity grew into a moral culture that benefits humanity.

My main point we all need to have life with meaning. Use this thread to state what your life means and do you have an ultimate meaning or goal. Ill start
My mother was 16 and my father 24. I never knew them and was put in a foster home. I was adopted by a very religious Jewish couple who gave me great family. My goal was to find my mother and father. 52 years later I did just that. Then my life was devoted to making adoption better. Its long story this is long enough.
God is light!
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
 
You seem to be knowledgeable about some things, but not enough to dissuade me from the things that I believe. There is very little written about events prior to Genesis 1:2 but enough to form a pretty good picture.

I have no intention of dissuading you or anyone else from what you believe. My intention is to show that you and others are wrong, when you are wrong.

Quantrill
 
This is my interpretation. Its a mistranslation. It isnt sunlight its enlightenment
Essentially, enlightenment is a state of being where one gains a deeper, more complete understanding of life and oneself, often leading to a more peaceful and fulfilling existence.
Its a value, quality, aspect inherent in every human mind that separates us from the animals. That God created this first shows how vital it is to our being human. This is what drives us motivates us to create art, music, poetry, prose, give back to humanity from our experience and most of all create a life with meaning.
Fast forward 5000 years
Striving to find meaning in one’s life is the primary motivational force in man ~Viktor Frankl ~
His famous book, Man’s Search for Meaning, tells the story of how he survived the Holocaust by finding personal meaning in the experience, which gave him the will to live through it. He went on to later establish a new school of existential therapy called logotherapy, based in the premise that man’s underlying motivator in life is a “will to meaning,” even in the most difficult of circumstances.

Frankl pointed to research indicating a strong relationship between “meaninglessness” and criminal behaviors, addictions and depression. Without meaning, people fill the void with hedonistic pleasures, power, materialism, hatred, boredom, or neurotic obsessions and compulsions. Some may also strive for Suprameaning, the ultimate meaning in life, a spiritual kind of meaning that depends solely on a greater power outside of personal or external control.

Back to Genesis
Heres another concept if you accept my interpretation so far. There is a being called the bearer of light. Am angle must bring the light to humanity.
AI Overview

"The bearer of light" is a direct translation of the name Lucifer, referring to the Latin word lucifer, and historically describes the morning star, the planet Venus. The term can also signify individuals guided toward spiritual enlightenment, such as in Christianity, or celestial bodies like the sun and moon. In other contexts, "light-bearer" describes a person who brings spiritual understanding.

So how did he become the devil? There is no devil in Judaism we are absolute monotheists. Satan is the Hebrew word for a liar on the level of perjury. I believe Christians needed a god of evil because they came from the roots of dualism the endless war between good. and evil. Thats OK they can believe what they want and Christianity grew into a moral culture that benefits humanity.

My main point we all need to have life with meaning. Use this thread to state what your life means and do you have an ultimate meaning or goal. Ill start
My mother was 16 and my father 24. I never knew them and was put in a foster home. I was adopted by a very religious Jewish couple who gave me great family. My goal was to find my mother and father. 52 years later I did just that. Then my life was devoted to making adoption better. Its long story this is long enough.
My life was created by two mammals mating.

It’s really just that simple.
 
God is light!
This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
Light as you use it means enlightenment
 
I have no intention of dissuading you or anyone else from what you believe. My intention is to show that you and others are wrong, when you are wrong.

Quantrill
I do that too, but I don't think I've changed any minds. For example, I've explained the reasons why chewing your food thoroughly is very important to your health, but people are still going to eat like animals, swallowing their food almost whole. :omg:
 
I do that too, but I don't think I've changed any minds. For example, I've explained the reasons why chewing your food thoroughly is very important to your health, but people are still going to eat like animals, swallowing their food almost whole. :omg:

On forums you are not going to change anyone's mind who actively participates. Their mind is already made up. You participate in order to support those who are of like mind and be an adversary to those who oppose.

A starving man could care less about how well he chews his food.

Quantrill
 
On forums you are not going to change anyone's mind who actively participates. Their mind is already made up. You participate in order to support those who are of like mind and be an adversary to those who oppose.

A starving man could care less about how well he chews his food.

Quantrill
I don't like the 'adversary' thing. I give what I consider useful information and let it go at that. However, if like you someone engages me in an argument about it, I'll gladly join the fray. :biggrin:
 
Light as you use it means enlightenment
Yes but he is literally light as described in revelation!
Revelation 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
 
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The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
 
The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
Its not light its human enlightenment. The inherent need to create a life with meaning. Christians are so dumb they cant understand their own religion
 
Its not light its human enlightenment. The inherent need to create a life with meaning. Christians are so dumb they cant understand their own religion
Not in the scripture in revelation!
Revelation 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
Revelation 21:23 refers to both literal and spiritual light, describing a transformed, eternal state where God's glory is the ultimate source of illumination, replacing the sun and moon. The light is also described as emanating from Jesus, "the Lamb". This light is not just about physical illumination but also symbolizes the presence, glory, and life-giving sustenance of God and Christ in the New Jerusalem
 
Not in the scripture in revelation!
Revelation 21:23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light.
Revelation 21:23 refers to both literal and spiritual light, describing a transformed, eternal state where God's glory is the ultimate source of illumination, replacing the sun and moon. The light is also described as emanating from Jesus, "the Lamb". This light is not just about physical illumination but also symbolizes the presence, glory, and life-giving sustenance of God and Christ in the New Jerusalem
NO one cares about revelation the Old Testament is the only testament
 
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