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[glockmail]

Be cool if they had one like a windsock with a tail or rudder that would follow the direction of the flow current???One good thing is that the ocean current is constant and doesnt die down near as bad as the wind with windmills... At anyrate we couldnt have windmills near us because the area i live in is so hurricane prone i couldnt imagine a 200 foot wind prop blade flying at me at 150 mph lol

A vertical turbine doesn't need to be steered. That's the advantage of a horizontal axis turbine that has airplane propeller type blades.

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So far I haven't seen any proposals to place them at the obvious location, in the Gulf Stream. I'm wondering f it has been proposed and nixed by the Europeans for the reasons summarily dismissed by Old Rocks.

 

[Old Rocks]

I notice no one wants to mention the fact that the Dutch have no Hurricanes, earthquakes or Tornados and why areas prone to those conditions can not be used for Wind Turbines, cutting off most of the Country to their use.

Further no one wants to discuss the fact that Nuclear energy plants are regulated into the red so are not built and that idiotic challenges prevent them breaking even.

Remind me again where we get a source to replace the 60 percent of our electrical Grid that President Obama plans to regulate out of existance?

As alternatives come online, the coal fired plants can be closed down, dirtiest first. The amount of recoverable solar, wind, geothermal, wave, and tide energy is far, far more than needed to replace the amount used by burning fossil fuels. Nuclear also has a place in the mix. As does more efficient heating of building and cooling of buildings, geothermal ballast, and the new technologies in lighting.

We do not have a technical problem with replacing fossil fuels, we have a problem of imagination and leadership.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

As alternatives come online, the coal fired plants can be closed down, dirtiest first. The amount of recoverable solar, wind, geothermal, wave, and tide energy is far, far more than needed to replace the amount used by burning fossil fuels. Nuclear also has a place in the mix. As does more efficient heating of building and cooling of buildings, geothermal ballast, and the new technologies in lighting.

We do not have a technical problem with replacing fossil fuels, we have a problem of imagination and leadership.

You are aware that our new Glorious Leader proposes bankrupting Coal fired plants with NO replacements? That he is opposed to Nuclear power? There will be no replacements first. He has stated he wants to drive electrical costs through the roof , not replace old with new.

 

[glockmail]

As alternatives come online, the coal fired plants can be closed down, dirtiest first. The amount of recoverable solar, wind, geothermal, wave, and tide energy is far, far more than needed to replace the amount used by burning fossil fuels. Nuclear also has a place in the mix. As does more efficient heating of building and cooling of buildings, geothermal ballast, and the new technologies in lighting.

We do not have a technical problem with replacing fossil fuels, we have a problem of imagination and leadership.

Too bad the places where electricity is used isn't where its created. How are you going to build all those transmission lines?

How many acres of PV cells will be required to replace the coal plants that your messiah will be forcing into bankruptcy? Where is it all going to go? How will the energy be stored that is needed during the times when the sun doesn't shine?

Methinks y'all haven't thought this one through.

 

[Old Rocks]

Too bad the places where electricity is used isn't where its created. How are you going to build all those transmission lines?

How many acres of PV cells will be required to replace the coal plants that your messiah will be forcing into bankruptcy? Where is it all going to go? How will the energy be stored that is needed during the times when the sun doesn't shine?

Methinks y'all haven't thought this one through.

The energy created at Bonneville, The Dallas, and the John Day Dam is not used where it is created. It is used all over Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and California. Likewise, energy created in the rural areas where Geothermal, wind, and solar are readily available would be used in the present urban areas.

That, of course, calls for creating a new grid, a distributed grid, capable of picking up energy from 2 kw installations on a homeowners roof, to Gw installations created nuclear, large solar, or wind farms. As our present grid is in bad need of updating, this would be a very good investment in infrastructure.

As for the Messiah label, let's check back in eight years and see what has happened by then. Do you suppose that we have two failed wars, an economic debacle, and 85% of the nation stating we are on the wrong path? It would be very hard for anyone to match the incompetancy, corruption, and outright lies of the last eight years under Bush.

 

[glockmail]

The energy created at Bonneville, The Dallas, and the John Day Dam is not used where it is created. It is used all over Oregon, Washington, Idaho, and California. Likewise, energy created in the rural areas where Geothermal, wind, and solar are readily available would be used in the present urban areas.

That, of course, calls for creating a new grid, a distributed grid, capable of picking up energy from 2 kw installations on a homeowners roof, to Gw installations created nuclear, large solar, or wind farms. As our present grid is in bad need of updating, this would be a very good investment in infrastructure.
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1. What is this new infrastructure going to cost?
2. For the second time: How many acres of PV cells will be needed to replace the coal plants that your messiah is planning to bankrupt? Where is it all going to go? How will the energy be stored that is needed during the times when the sun doesn't shine?

Methinks y'all haven't thought this one through. Too busy lying about who created this mess?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

1. What is this new infrastructure going to cost?
2. For the second time: How many acres of PV cells will be needed to replace the coal plants that your messiah is planning to bankrupt? Where is it all going to go? How will the energy be stored that is needed during the times when the sun doesn't shine?

Methinks y'all haven't thought this one through. Too busy lying about who created this mess?

Notice no comment on the fact most of the US can not host wind either. Delusional people follow the Obama promises while ignoring what he said that does not sit well with them.

 

[Chris]

I notice no one wants to mention the fact that the Dutch have no Hurricanes, earthquakes or Tornados and why areas prone to those conditions can not be used for Wind Turbines, cutting off most of the Country to their use.

Further no one wants to discuss the fact that Nuclear energy plants are regulated into the red so are not built and that idiotic challenges prevent them breaking even.

Remind me again where we get a source to replace the 60 percent of our electrical Grid that President Obama plans to regulate out of existance?

Wind farms are being built all over the country.

Earthquakes, tornados, and hurricanes are not an issue.

 

[Old Rocks]

Notice no comment on the fact most of the US can not host wind either. Delusional people follow the Obama promises while ignoring what he said that does not sit well with them.

Gunny, stop being a silly ass. We have wind turbines all over Washington, Oregon, and California. The only reason we do not have twice as many as we presently have is that the manufactures cannot keep up with the demand.

State Energy Alternatives: Alternative Energy Resources in Oregon

For more information on current state policies related to energy efficiency, visit the Alliance to Save Energy's State Energy Efficiency Policies page.

Biomass
Studies indicate that Oregon has excellent biomass resource potential. For more state-specific resource information, see Biomass Feedstock Availability in the United States: 1999 State Level Analysis.

Geothermal
Oregon has high-temperature resources that are suitable for electricity generation, as well as direct use and heat pump applications. For more information on geothermal resources, including resource maps, visit GeoPowering the West.

Hydropower
Oregon has a very good hydropower resource as a percentage of the state's electricity generation. For additional resource information, check out the Idaho National Laboratory's Virtual Hydropower Prospector (VHP). VHP is a convenient geographic information system (GIS) tool designed to assist you in locating and assessing natural stream water energy resources in the United States.


Solar
To accurately portray your state's solar resource, we need two maps. That is because different collector types use the sun in different ways. Collectors that focus the sun (like a magnifying glass) can reach high temperatures and efficiencies. These are called concentrating collectors. Typically, these collectors are on a tracker, so they always face the sun directly. Because these collectors focus the sun's rays, they only use the direct rays coming straight from the sun.

Other solar collectors are simply flat panels that can be mounted on a roof or on the ground. Called flat-plate collectors, these are typically fixed in a tilted position correlated to the latitude of the location. This allows the collector to best capture the sun. These collectors can use both the direct rays from the sun and reflected light that comes through a cloud or off the ground. Because they use all available sunlight, flat-plate collectors are the best choice for many northern states. Therefore, this site gives you two maps: one is the resource for a concentrating collector and one is the resource for a flat-plate collector.

What do the maps mean? For flat-plate collectors, Oregon has useful resources in most of the state, with the best resources falling in the eastern region of the state. For concentrating collectors, Oregon's resource varies significantly across the state. In the eastern region, the resources are useful for most technologies. Along the coastline, though, most concentrating collectors would not be effective.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual solar electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 68 billion kWh, based on the following assumptions:

Rooftop and open space installed systems represent 0.5% of the total area of the state.
Solar panels occupy 30% of the area set aside for solar equipment.
The average system efficiency is 10%.
Wind
Wind Powering America indicate that Oregon has wind resources consistent with utility-scale production. The good to excellent resource areas are concentrated on ridge crests throughout the state. In addition, small wind turbines may have applications in some areas. For more information on Oregon's wind resources including wind maps, visit Wind Powering America's Oregon Wind Activities.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual wind electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 70 billion kWh. The estimate excludes 100% of the following areas, which are assumed to be infeasible for wind development:

Landforms – land with a slope of greater than 20%.
Environmentally sensitive areas.
All National Park Service lands.
All fish and wildlife lands.
All Forest Service or BLM lands with "special" designations, such as national recreation areas or national wilderness areas.
All bodies of water.
Wetlands. For more information on current state policies related to energy efficiency, visit the Alliance to Save Energy's State Energy Efficiency Policies page.

Biomass
Studies indicate that Oregon has excellent biomass resource potential. For more state-specific resource information, see Biomass Feedstock Availability in the United States: 1999 State Level Analysis.

Geothermal
Oregon has high-temperature resources that are suitable for electricity generation, as well as direct use and heat pump applications. For more information on geothermal resources, including resource maps, visit GeoPowering the West.

Hydropower
Oregon has a very good hydropower resource as a percentage of the state's electricity generation. For additional resource information, check out the Idaho National Laboratory's Virtual Hydropower Prospector (VHP). VHP is a convenient geographic information system (GIS) tool designed to assist you in locating and assessing natural stream water energy resources in the United States.


Solar
To accurately portray your state's solar resource, we need two maps. That is because different collector types use the sun in different ways. Collectors that focus the sun (like a magnifying glass) can reach high temperatures and efficiencies. These are called concentrating collectors. Typically, these collectors are on a tracker, so they always face the sun directly. Because these collectors focus the sun's rays, they only use the direct rays coming straight from the sun.

Other solar collectors are simply flat panels that can be mounted on a roof or on the ground. Called flat-plate collectors, these are typically fixed in a tilted position correlated to the latitude of the location. This allows the collector to best capture the sun. These collectors can use both the direct rays from the sun and reflected light that comes through a cloud or off the ground. Because they use all available sunlight, flat-plate collectors are the best choice for many northern states. Therefore, this site gives you two maps: one is the resource for a concentrating collector and one is the resource for a flat-plate collector.

What do the maps mean? For flat-plate collectors, Oregon has useful resources in most of the state, with the best resources falling in the eastern region of the state. For concentrating collectors, Oregon's resource varies significantly across the state. In the eastern region, the resources are useful for most technologies. Along the coastline, though, most concentrating collectors would not be effective.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual solar electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 68 billion kWh, based on the following assumptions:

Rooftop and open space installed systems represent 0.5% of the total area of the state.
Solar panels occupy 30% of the area set aside for solar equipment.
The average system efficiency is 10%.
Wind
Wind Powering America indicate that Oregon has wind resources consistent with utility-scale production. The good to excellent resource areas are concentrated on ridge crests throughout the state. In addition, small wind turbines may have applications in some areas. For more information on Oregon's wind resources including wind maps, visit Wind Powering America's Oregon Wind Activities.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual wind electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 70 billion kWh. The estimate excludes 100% of the following areas, which are assumed to be infeasible for wind development:

Landforms – land with a slope of greater than 20%.
Environmentally sensitive areas.
All National Park Service lands.
All fish and wildlife lands.
All Forest Service or BLM lands with "special" designations, such as national recreation areas or national wilderness areas.
All bodies of water.
Wetlands.
Urban areas. For more information on current state policies related to energy efficiency, visit the Alliance to Save Energy's State Energy Efficiency Policies page.

Biomass
Studies indicate that Oregon has excellent biomass resource potential. For more state-specific resource information, see Biomass Feedstock Availability in the United States: 1999 State Level Analysis.

Geothermal
Oregon has high-temperature resources that are suitable for electricity generation, as well as direct use and heat pump applications. For more information on geothermal resources, including resource maps, visit GeoPowering the West.

Hydropower
Oregon has a very good hydropower resource as a percentage of the state's electricity generation. For additional resource information, check out the Idaho National Laboratory's Virtual Hydropower Prospector (VHP). VHP is a convenient geographic information system (GIS) tool designed to assist you in locating and assessing natural stream water energy resources in the United States.

For more information on current state policies related to energy efficiency, visit the Alliance to Save Energy's State Energy Efficiency Policies page.

Biomass
Studies indicate that Oregon has excellent biomass resource potential. For more state-specific resource information, see Biomass Feedstock Availability in the United States: 1999 State Level Analysis.

Geothermal
Oregon has high-temperature resources that are suitable for electricity generation, as well as direct use and heat pump applications. For more information on geothermal resources, including resource maps, visit GeoPowering the West.

Hydropower
Oregon has a very good hydropower resource as a percentage of the state's electricity generation. For additional resource information, check out the Idaho National Laboratory's Virtual Hydropower Prospector (VHP). VHP is a convenient geographic information system (GIS) tool designed to assist you in locating and assessing natural stream water energy resources in the United States.
State Energy Alternatives: Alternative Energy Resources in Oregon


Solar
To accurately portray your state's solar resource, we need two maps. That is because different collector types use the sun in different ways. Collectors that focus the sun (like a magnifying glass) can reach high temperatures and efficiencies. These are called concentrating collectors. Typically, these collectors are on a tracker, so they always face the sun directly. Because these collectors focus the sun's rays, they only use the direct rays coming straight from the sun.

Other solar collectors are simply flat panels that can be mounted on a roof or on the ground. Called flat-plate collectors, these are typically fixed in a tilted position correlated to the latitude of the location. This allows the collector to best capture the sun. These collectors can use both the direct rays from the sun and reflected light that comes through a cloud or off the ground. Because they use all available sunlight, flat-plate collectors are the best choice for many northern states. Therefore, this site gives you two maps: one is the resource for a concentrating collector and one is the resource for a flat-plate collector.

What do the maps mean? For flat-plate collectors, Oregon has useful resources in most of the state, with the best resources falling in the eastern region of the state. For concentrating collectors, Oregon's resource varies significantly across the state. In the eastern region, the resources are useful for most technologies. Along the coastline, though, most concentrating collectors would not be effective.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual solar electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 68 billion kWh, based on the following assumptions:

Rooftop and open space installed systems represent 0.5% of the total area of the state.
Solar panels occupy 30% of the area set aside for solar equipment.
The average system efficiency is 10%.
Wind
Wind Powering America indicate that Oregon has wind resources consistent with utility-scale production. The good to excellent resource areas are concentrated on ridge crests throughout the state. In addition, small wind turbines may have applications in some areas. For more information on Oregon's wind resources including wind maps, visit Wind Powering America's Oregon Wind Activities.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual wind electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 70 billion kWh. The estimate excludes 100% of the following areas, which are assumed to be infeasible for wind development:

Landforms – land with a slope of greater than 20%.
Environmentally sensitive areas.
All National Park Service lands.
All fish and wildlife lands.
All Forest Service or BLM lands with "special" designations, such as national recreation areas or national wilderness areas.
All bodies of water.
Wetlands.
Urban areas.

Solar
To accurately portray your state's solar resource, we need two maps. That is because different collector types use the sun in different ways. Collectors that focus the sun (like a magnifying glass) can reach high temperatures and efficiencies. These are called concentrating collectors. Typically, these collectors are on a tracker, so they always face the sun directly. Because these collectors focus the sun's rays, they only use the direct rays coming straight from the sun.

Other solar collectors are simply flat panels that can be mounted on a roof or on the ground. Called flat-plate collectors, these are typically fixed in a tilted position correlated to the latitude of the location. This allows the collector to best capture the sun. These collectors can use both the direct rays from the sun and reflected light that comes through a cloud or off the ground. Because they use all available sunlight, flat-plate collectors are the best choice for many northern states. Therefore, this site gives you two maps: one is the resource for a concentrating collector and one is the resource for a flat-plate collector.

What do the maps mean? For flat-plate collectors, Oregon has useful resources in most of the state, with the best resources falling in the eastern region of the state. For concentrating collectors, Oregon's resource varies significantly across the state. In the eastern region, the resources are useful for most technologies. Along the coastline, though, most concentrating collectors would not be effective.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual solar electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 68 billion kWh, based on the following assumptions:

Rooftop and open space installed systems represent 0.5% of the total area of the state.
Solar panels occupy 30% of the area set aside for solar equipment.
The average system efficiency is 10%.
Wind
Wind Powering America indicate that Oregon has wind resources consistent with utility-scale production. The good to excellent resource areas are concentrated on ridge crests throughout the state. In addition, small wind turbines may have applications in some areas. For more information on Oregon's wind resources including wind maps, visit Wind Powering America's Oregon Wind Activities.

The Renewable Energy Atlas of the West estimated the annual wind electricity generation potential in Oregon to be 70 billion kWh. The estimate excludes 100% of the following areas, which are assumed to be infeasible for wind development:

Landforms – land with a slope of greater than 20%.
Environmentally sensitive areas.
All National Park Service lands.
All fish and wildlife lands.
All Forest Service or BLM lands with "special" designations, such as national recreation areas or national wilderness areas.
All bodies of water.
Wetlands.
Urban areas.




Urban areas.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Wind farms are being built all over the country.

Earthquakes, tornados, and hurricanes are not an issue.

If true then we have a major problem, they are dangerous as hell if brought down. But then no one has ever accused the left of being smart after all.

 

[Old Rocks]

Installed Wind Capacity

We are eager to continue the trend of increasing the use of wind power at unprecedented rates. Andy Karsner, DOE Assistant Secretary 2008

The U.S. wind industry grew by 45 percent in 2007, and over half of that growth was contributed by Texas. Texas is the leading wind state in the U.S., accounting for close to one-third of the nation’s total installed wind capacity, which is the equivalent of the electricity needed to power more than one million Texas homes. A single megawatt of wind energy can produce as much energy used by about 230 typical Texas homes in a year.

Installed Wind Capacity in Megawatts
1999-2007

Texas Wind Energy

 

[Old Rocks]

If true then we have a major problem, they are dangerous as hell if brought down. But then no one has ever accused the left of being smart after all.

No more dangerous than bridges, overpasses, and buildings. Give it up, Gunny. However much you dislike the mills, they are going to be a fact of life in this nation, and all for the better.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

No more dangerous than bridges, overpasses, and buildings. Give it up, Gunny. However much you dislike the mills, they are going to be a fact of life in this nation, and all for the better.

Ya cause Buildings are as fragile as 200 foot tall propallers , got any more bullshit stories?

 

[Old Rocks]

4 Gw of installed wind power in Texas already. Tell me about it when it all falls down. LOL

 

[glockmail]

Notice no comment on the fact most of the US can not host wind either. Delusional people follow the Obama promises while ignoring what he said that does not sit well with them.

He can cut-n-paste long articles though.

 

[Old Rocks]

He can cut-n-paste long articles though.

Not only that, I also read them, and books, also. Sometimes I even use words of more than two syllables. You fellows seem to think unsupported opinion has some sort of value. Most of the rest of us live in the real world. The one with disappearing glaciers and ice caps. The one with melting permafrost that is now adding a significant amount of CO2 and CH4 to the atmosphere. One in which the real science on the effects of CO2 has been known for over one hundred years.

 

[glockmail]

Not only that, I also read them, and books, also. Sometimes I even use words of more than two syllables. You fellows seem to think unsupported opinion has some sort of value. Most of the rest of us live in the real world. The one with disappearing glaciers and ice caps. The one with melting permafrost that is now adding a significant amount of CO2 and CH4 to the atmosphere. One in which the real science on the effects of CO2 has been known for over one hundred years.

If you're so worried about CO2 and CH4 then you should embrace nukes and natural gas exploitation as stated earlier. Don't be such a damn baby about it.

 

[Chris]

Ya cause Buildings are as fragile as 200 foot tall propallers , got any more bullshit stories?

There are thousands of wind turbines around the world in almost every country. Tell us when they fall down.

By the way, the Chinese are moving full speed ahead with this technology.

 

[Old Rocks]

If you're so worried about CO2 and CH4 then you should embrace nukes and natural gas exploitation as stated earlier. Don't be such a damn baby about it.

Nuclear will be a part of the solution. However, the cost will keep it from being a major part. Natural gas? For every ton of CH4 burned, over two tons of CO2 are produced. Why should I embrace natural gas?

 

[no1tovote4]

Wow. I need to open a Carbon Trading site. There are no checks on them. Anybody ever watch the Penn and Teller Bullshit show?

Grab a rock and feel connected to the ground... keep it in your pocket. Then pay me for your carbon use.