Getting Rid of the next Government-Funded Program that gives $$$ to Criminals

[Modbert]

Getting Rid of the next Government-Funded Program that gives $$$ to Criminals. This program has been doing it for a long time, in fact, they seemingly are so good at it that many times the American people don't find out to years later.

The program that I am referring to? While the Central Intelligence Agency of course.

Now now, before you yell "conspiracy theorist" or "bullshit" lets recall the facts. I've seen at least 20 ACORN threads in the last week, and that was over SOME employees being involved in illegal behavior. Now, their funding is going to be cut.

Yet, this program gets to go on after so many of their actions and funding of criminals?

Exhibit A: CIA and The Mob

How the CIA Enlisted the Chicago Mob to Put a Hit on Castro - Chicago magazine - November 2007 - Chicago

One assignment required Maheu to serve a subpoena on the elusive owner of a prominent Las Vegas hotel. Maheu asked his friend the lawyer Edward Bennett Williams, who had represented mobsters, to pull some strings. The man who ended up obliging Maheu was a fast-talking, sharply dressed, silver-haired Mafioso named Johnny Roselli.

At this point, I would just like to point out that there are plenty of more detailed books out there about the relationship between the CIA and the Mob.

Exhibit B: The Iran/Contra Affair

Iran–Contra affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Contras, Cocaine, and Covert Operations

Reagan administration officials interceded on behalf of José Bueso Rosa, a Honduran general who was heavily involved with the CIA's contra operations and faced trial for his role in a massive drug shipment to the United States. In 1984 Bueso and co-conspirators hatched a plan to assassinate Honduran President Roberto Suazo Córdoba; the plot was to be financed with a $40 million cocaine shipment to the United States, which the FBI intercepted in Florida.

Carrasco also testified that Morales provided "several million dollars" to Octaviano Cesar and Adolfo "Popo" Chamorro, two rebel leaders working with the head of the contras' southern front, Eden Pastora. The Washington Post reported that Chamorro said he had called his CIA control officer to ask if the contras could accept money and arms from Morales, who was at the time under indictment for cocaine smuggling. "They said [Morales] was fine," Chamorro told the Post.

CIA's Challenge in South Central

He can start by acknowledging that the CIA did, in fact, knowingly and willingly work with drug dealers, CIA officials, according to the Contras themselves, did authorize one rebel group to take money and airplanes from a major Colombian trafficker; CIA officials did seek to protect a key Honduran "asset"--convicted of conspiracy to smuggle $40 million worth of cocaine into the U.S. to finance the assassination of the president of Honduras--from a lengthy prison sentence for fear he might spill the beans on covert operations; CIA officials did scheme with the White House to help Panamanian dictator Manuel Noriega clean up his image, stained by a 20-year career as a henchman for the Medellin cartel, in return for Noriega's help in destabilizing the Sandinista government. To counter, extreme charges that the CIA targeted communities of color for crack distribution to finance the Contra war, Deutch must concede a different, but equally scandalous truth: the willingness of national security officials to consort with dope peddlers simply because they had a contribution to make to the covert war against Sandinista Nicaragua. It will be up to Deutch to convince those who have suffered from this chilling set of Cold War priorities that the CIA is now committed to preventing the criminalization of national security doctrine.

Exhibit C: Honduras and the Leftist Dissidents

CIA activities in Honduras - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"They prepared me in interrogation to end the use of physical torture in Honduras - they taught psychological methods," Mr. Caballero said of his American training. "So when we had someone important, we hid him from the Americans, interrogated him ourselves and then gave him to a death squad to kill."

"The C.I.A. had access to secret army jails and to written reports summarizing the interrogation of suspected leftists, according to Mr. Caballero and two American officials. The Americans also said the C.I.A. knew the Honduran Army was killing prisoners. The American officials said that at one point in 1983 the C.I.A. demanded the killings stop. In 1984, a C.I.A. agent was recalled from Honduras after a prisoner's relative identified him as having visited a secret jail, two American and one Honduran official said. According to Mr. Caballero, the agent was a regular contact between the interrogators and the C.I.A. Thus it seems likely that the C.I.A. was aware that killings were continuing.

Deutch's announcement came after the Baltimore Sun published a four-part series in June on U.S. support given to the 316 MI Bn. Sun staff correspondents Gary Cohn and Ginger Thompson obtained formerly classified documents and interviewed three former 316 Bn members to document the breadth and depth of the battalion's close relationship to the CIA. The Sun series followed revelations in March that linked the CIA to serious human rights violations in Guatemala."[3]

Exhibit D: Manuel Noriega

Manuel Noriega - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Noriega worked with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) from the late 1950s to the 1980s, and was on the CIA payroll for much of this time, although the relationship had not become contractual until 1967.[4]

Nonetheless, he retained U.S. support until February 4, 1989, when the Drug Enforcement Administration indicted him on federal drug charges.[5] On February 25, President Eric Arturo Delvalle issued a decree declaring that Noriega was relieved of his duties.

Senator John Kerry's 1988 Senate Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations concluded that "the saga of Panama's General Manuel Antonio Noriega represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures for the United States. Throughout the 1970s and the 1980s, Noriega was able to manipulate U.S. policy toward his country, while skillfully accumulating near-absolute power in Panama. It is clear that each U.S. government agency which had a relationship with Noriega turned a blind eye to his corruption and drug dealing, even as he was emerging as a key player on behalf of the Medellín Cartel (a member of which was notorious Colombian drug lord Pablo Escobar)." Manuel Noriega was allowed to establish "the hemisphere's first 'narcokleptocracy'"

And Exhibit E: Operation CHAOS

Domestic Surveillance: The History of Operation CHAOS

For over fifteen years, the CIA, with assistance from numerous government agencies, conducted a massive illegal domestic covert operation called Operation CHAOS. It was one of the largest and most pervasive domestic surveillance programs in the history of this country. Throughout the duration of CHAOS, the CIA spied on thousands of U.S. citizens. The CIA went to great lengths to conceal this operation from the public while every president from Eisenhower to Nixon exploited CHAOS for his own political ends.

Helms of course denied the CIA was involved in domestic operations, or using basic American institutions such as the Peace Corps, the business community, or the media as covers for CIA operations. Just a few years later, Oswald Johnston of the Washing ton Star reported that over 35 American journalists, some full-time, some free-lance, and some major media correspondents were on the CIA payroll. And in 1974 the CIA admitted that over two hundred CIA agents were operating overseas posing as businessmen

That's just five examples, though there really isn't anymore needed. To be honest, I made this thread to just point out the hypocrisy of some people and to show the selective targeting of some people.

 

[Modbert]

Well shucks, why am I not surprised by this turnout?

More and more threads for ACORN but none for this.

 

[Vel]

Why don't you find something from THIS century to focus on?

 

[Modbert]

Why don't you find something from THIS century to focus on?

Well if you're a Republican who believes what Bush says, it's the CIA fault that we're currently in Iraq since they were the ones who supplied him the false information.

Is that good enough for you?

 

[Old Rocks]

Why don't you find something from THIS century to focus on?

You mean like illegal torture? Kidnapping people in foriegn nations? Why don't you give a lucid answer to his question?

 

[Modbert]

You mean like illegal torture? Kidnapping people in foriegn nations? Why don't you give a lucid answer to his question?

There's that.

Plus, whatever happened to the whole "hold people accountable for their actions." Do we really not just give a fuck anymore that this goes on?

 

[Vel]

Why don't you find something from THIS century to focus on?

Well if you're a Republican who believes what Bush says, it's the CIA fault that we're currently in Iraq since they were the ones who supplied him the false information.

Is that good enough for you?

Well it beats the hell out of your 50 year old scandal. AT least that discussion would have something to do with our current situation.

 

[Vel]

Why don't you find something from THIS century to focus on?

You mean like illegal torture? Kidnapping people in foriegn nations? Why don't you give a lucid answer to his question?

Bless your heart.. are you hanging on my every word that you feel I should hurry up and respond?

 

[Modbert]

Well it beats the hell out of your 50 year old scandal. AT least that discussion would have something to do with our current situation.

Maybe you don't realize it, but things that happen 20-30+ years ago ARE relevant to this current situation.

Who gave a man and his group not only billions of dollars but TRAINING and weapons to use against the Soviets in the 80's. That SAME TRAINING used against American citizens on 9/11. The man was Osama Bin Laden and that group was the Taliban. The people who gave them these things and training? The CIA.

 

[Modbert]

The Actions of the CIA in 1953 in Iran is the whole basis of why many Iranians hate us today.

The CIA overthrew their democratically elected leader in a military coup because he threatened to nationalize British oil. His replacement that the CIA picked was a dictator, who we know as the Shah of Iran, and his brutal police force the SAVAK oppressed the Iranian people for YEARS.

Or hey, how about Iran/Contra? When the CIA helped secretly give weapons to the Iranians so they can kill the Iraqis while they also gave the Iraqis weapons in secret to kill the Iranians.

SO as you see, actions from over fifty years ago even are STILL relevant today in many years.

 

[Vel]

Yes, actions have consequences, BUT, you can't hold today's CIA responsible for the actions of agents 50 years ago. And when you examine the past actions of a group, you must evaluate it in the context of the then events. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[Modbert]

Yes, actions have consequences, BUT, you can't hold today's CIA responsible for the actions of agents 50 years ago. And when you examine the past actions of a group, you must evaluate it in the context of the then events. Hindsight is 20/20.

No, you can't hold today's CIA responsible for the actions of agents 50 years old. However, you can make it so you at least don't make these mistakes again. However, as recent years have shown, they haven't learned.

The key thing we also must remember is that anything "big" that is going on right now, we probably won't hear about for another 10 years at the very least.

Government loves to hold it's cards close. I mean hells bells, they're definitely waiting for EVERYBODY who was somehow involved or old enough to remember to release the rest of the JFK files.

But back on-topic: The CIA has given this money to all these various groups and people. Who's to say they aren't doing so today to a different set of groups or people that are engaged in illegal activity?

 

[Meister]

Why don't you find something from THIS century to focus on?

You mean like illegal torture? Kidnapping people in foriegn nations? Why don't you give a lucid answer to his question?

Bless your heart.. are you hanging on my every word that you feel I should hurry up and respond?

Don't worry about Old Rocks, he's a Marxist that wants to bring down this country.

 

[Avatar4321]

Why focus on the CIA? Seems to me the problems with the whole Federal Government. Let's significantly defund all government programs.