For argument's sake, let's say BLM is EVIL.

[DustyInfinity]

You're trying too hard. Calm down.

You guys only see the stuff I say that freaks you out. Not everyone is a binary winger. True story.

Showing your complete flip flop on the subject isn't at all difficult for me, Mac, and I am not agitated. I just find myself wondering what has happened to you to account for your change from a rational individual to a mouthpiece for politically correct woke culture.

I'm as anti-PC and anti-Identity Politics as ever, and I still talk about it all the time.

Here's the tricky part: Real, ignorant, paranoid, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging white racism AND cynical, intellectually dishonest PC and Identity Politics can and do occupy the same universe at the same time. True story!

What I didn't know pre-Trump, was how much of the former was still out there. Now I do, and I think it's fucking ugly.

Why do I go after the Right more at this moment? Because THERE IS A REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Maybe that's it, huh? When Obama was in office, the Regressive Lefties in here were saying I had become a right winger. As I have no doubt YOU remember. And it will happen again if Biden wins.

There. There's the whole explanation. I can't make it more clear than that.

I think the real reason you joined the race tards is because Trump spoke out against illegal immigration. You've spoken out against that too, but it is the only reason I can see for you to go slavering orange man bad. I saw your plan for mass amnesty and rebuilding all of Central America. Good luck with that part where you keep all the aid away from the cartels. Speaking of two things being true at the same time, being against illegal immigration doe not automatically make half of America the KKK.

 

[DustyInfinity]

So mac is smearing the right because some people are racist? Holy Shit. I thought he bought into that systemic crap like red lining or some unjust law?

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

No, that's too broad. I specifically said systemic racism.

Of course there are racists people. That's obvious. If you have any two groups of people anywhere on this world... there is going to be racism. Human beings are flawed, and always will be flawed.

There will never be a day, ever... where there is no racism anymore. Not going to happen.

Even if you have identical looking people.... you will have racism. People are flawed. They'll find a way to split into groups and hate each other.

Hutus and Tutsis, Rwanda Genocide.

But there is no system racism in this country. There is not.



Black people can do anything in this country. Anything. And have been able to, long before Obama was President. There is no systemic racism.

I'm not even sure what the definition of "systemic racism" is from person to person. My concern is more about the everyday variety.

So you are bellyaching against a whole party because racists exist? You join the race baiters who act like red lining still exists and that laws are attacking people because of skin color? Then you go all preachy saying republicans don't think racism exists?

 

[Coyote]

You're trying too hard. Calm down.

You guys only see the stuff I say that freaks you out. Not everyone is a binary winger. True story.

Showing your complete flip flop on the subject isn't at all difficult for me, Mac, and I am not agitated. I just find myself wondering what has happened to you to account for your change from a rational individual to a mouthpiece for politically correct woke culture.

I'm as anti-PC and anti-Identity Politics as ever, and I still talk about it all the time.

Here's the tricky part: Real, ignorant, paranoid, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging white racism AND cynical, intellectually dishonest PC and Identity Politics can and do occupy the same universe at the same time. True story!

What I didn't know pre-Trump, was how much of the former was still out there. Now I do, and I think it's fucking ugly.

Why do I go after the Right more at this moment? Because THERE IS A REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Maybe that's it, huh? When Obama was in office, the Regressive Lefties in here were saying I had become a right winger. As I have no doubt YOU remember. And it will happen again if Biden wins.

There. There's the whole explanation. I can't make it more clear than that.

You can’t win with them on either side...better to face the fact that you are that increasingly rare creature....with two wings and a solid body with a thinking brain in the middle.

It won’t sit well with any one here ya know

 

[Coyote]

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BLM has a legitimate cause in protesting police brutality. That said, there are those who are out to cause destruction who undermine the group. The ones who castigate the movement only see the criminals while the ones who vehemently support the movement only see legitimate protestors.

Bottom line is that we have bad cops who are a disgrace to the shield while the clear majority are good people.

Seems both groups have bad apples that allow for broadbrush criticism...

Yep.

What really concerns me, though, is that it appears that the chances of "an honest conversation on race" are getting smaller by the minute (not that they were ever that high). There is zero (0) honest self-examination happening on either side, and the walls are just getting thicker.

Everyone is busy “reacting”...

 

[Coyote]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

 

[Norman]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

What you stated is outrageously blatant lie.

And yes, it is the white nation, what do you god damn think? What, are we supposed to have the Japanese narratives? Well, maybe that would actually be good idea, since Japanese people would accurately identify what you posted as total nonsense and lies.

 

[flacaltenn]

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

Let's get past fishing for nouns or adjectives here...

Watch the vid and learn.....



Both co-founders are SELF declared "Marxist organizers"... We fought that battle before. Don't want it to become a "political brand" in this country with a cover of respectability.. They hijacked a simple slogan and launched a POLITICAL movement.. And now the morons marching in the streets to build credibility for this group who advocates killing police and general anarchy could care less... But the rest of us DO....

That said, I listened to the founder of BET say that the support for BLM is iffy as best in the Black community.. Or at least the informed majority of that community... Seems like with "eyes on the prize", most Blacks dont WANT the extra baggage of shilling for a bunch of commie revolutionaries...

Does that COVER IT?? It's a non-starter.. What is IMPLIED by their founding principles is at LEAST antithetical to our whole concept of govt.. And at WORST -- a dead end street for blacks wanting to REACH the real solutions that America needs in race relations...

 

[Coyote]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

What you stated is outrageously blatant lie.

And yes, it is the white nation, what do you god damn think? What, are we supposed to have the Japanese narratives? Well, maybe that would actually be good idea, since Japanese people would accurately identify what you posted as total nonsense and lies.

What specifically is a lie?

It is a white majority nation because we took by force and deceit from it’s native inhabitants (a trait common to the human race as a whole). So what narratives are there? Those of the dominant white European culture, those of the descendents of black slaves who did not attain full rights under law until the civil rights act; the narratives of Japanese Americans who were interned during WW2, the narratives of our indiginous peoples who suffered through a history of broken treaties and land confiscation....and so many more. All make up America but for some reason acknowledging brings about an almost anaphylactic reaction from some in the dominant white culture.

 

[flacaltenn]

This isn't going well!

Think they're trying to tell you to "read up" on the founding of BLM and the leadership.. It's all an open secret about their principles and goals..

What's amazing to me is the COOPERATION of major American corporations to BACK such a group... It's right out of Atlas Shrugged... Prostrating your public owned company to secure protection from such a group is beyond foolhardy.. It's suicidal...

I'd LOVE to see a competing movement with ACTUALLY GENUINE goals to right wrongs.. But this farce has already gained enough traction to DESTROY those who raised them up...

 

[Norman]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

What you stated is outrageously blatant lie.

And yes, it is the white nation, what do you god damn think? What, are we supposed to have the Japanese narratives? Well, maybe that would actually be good idea, since Japanese people would accurately identify what you posted as total nonsense and lies.

What specifically is a lie?

It is a white majority nation because we took by force and deceit from it’s native inhabitants (a trait common to the human race as a whole). So what narratives are there? Those of the dominant white European culture, those of the descendents of black slaves who did not attain full rights under law until the civil rights act; the narratives of Japanese Americans who were interned during WW2, the narratives of our indiginous peoples who suffered through a history of broken treaties and land confiscation....and so many more. All make up America but for some reason acknowledging brings about an almost anaphylactic reaction from some in the dominant white culture.

Everything that was stated in your STUPID ASS text was a lie. There is a big difference between the races for starters, in almost any metric that is looked at.

As for how the nation was founded, who fucking cares. If you are not fine with it leave, it sounds like you weren't an American anyway. Chances are you won't come by any nation with less troubled past, but at least plenty will execute you for treason, the non-white ones especially.

As president Trump outlines in his speech, it is because of American achievement that you even have time to formulate the whinery you have just submitted. We dragged humanity out of disease, poverty and ignorance. No, not you, you have not achieved SHIT by the looks of the text. And no one with your destructive far-left mentality ever will. That is precisely why the whinery.

 

[Coyote]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

What you stated is outrageously blatant lie.

And yes, it is the white nation, what do you god damn think? What, are we supposed to have the Japanese narratives? Well, maybe that would actually be good idea, since Japanese people would accurately identify what you posted as total nonsense and lies.

What specifically is a lie?

It is a white majority nation because we took by force and deceit from it’s native inhabitants (a trait common to the human race as a whole). So what narratives are there? Those of the dominant white European culture, those of the descendents of black slaves who did not attain full rights under law until the civil rights act; the narratives of Japanese Americans who were interned during WW2, the narratives of our indiginous peoples who suffered through a history of broken treaties and land confiscation....and so many more. All make up America but for some reason acknowledging brings about an almost anaphylactic reaction from some in the dominant white culture.

Everything that was stated in your STUPID ASS text was a lie. There is a big difference between the races for starters, in almost any metric that is looked at.

There is a big difference, hmmmm.....well that might say more about you than me, I am thinking since “black” in America means anyone with any percentage of African blood...

As for how the nation was founded, who fucking cares. If you are not fine with it leave, it sounds like you weren't an American anyway. Chances are you won't come by any nation with less troubled past, but at least plenty will execute you for treason, the non-white ones especially.

Cool. Doesn’t mean you have the right to discount other American narratives ... nor, for that matter, dou you get to decide who is or is not an American.

As president Trump outlines in his speech, it is because of American achievement that you even have time to formulate the whinery you have just submitted. We dragged humanity out of disease, poverty and ignorance. No, not you, you have not achieved SHIT by the looks of the text. And no one with your destructive far-left mentality ever will. That is precisely why the whinery.

That achievement was built by all Americans, including the descendents of Africans, you seem to imply are racially inferior, the many immigrants .... Irish, Polish, Mexican, Chinese, German, Lebanese, Somali, Cuban....more than I can think of off the top of my head, our indiginous peoples...all of us.

 

[Norman]

I wonder what would happen if a poster were to start thread after thread entitled "What is it with you snowflakes and your obsession with the KKK??

The kkk is just a civil rights organization out for "social justice" after all, right? Why then, are snowflakes "losing their shit" over it?


You see, this illustrates one of the difference between the righties and lefties on this board. Almost ALL Of the righties will condemn the kkk. NONE of the lefties dare criticize BLM.

What is it with you snowflakes and swastikas?

 

[Marion Morrison]

Cool. Doesn’t mean you have the right to discount other American narratives ... nor, for that matter, dou you get to decide who is or is not an American.

When they espouse enmity towards everything American, our founding principles, The Founding Fathers, God, Art, Rule of law, The 4th of July..
When their goal is to tear America down and rebuild it how they want? They are enemies of America.
I decide they are not American. I think they should leave. Try Cuba or Somalia for a while.

 

[Norman]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

Nothing is going to solve our race issue in this country...except time. There will be no magic moment where it's OK. We have been so narrowly focused on the Black issue..that we have forgotten that there are other races in this country as well. Most of the Hispanics I've talked to are unimpressed with BLM....I don't see all that many other races walking in solidarity...lots of woke White people...but very few Asians or Hispanic folk.

They too want a piece of the pie..they too have their horror story history of White oppression.

this is going to be a long road..and probably won't end until everyone is brown with slanted eyes...LOL!

Let me guess what the "race issue" is according to you. It is that there are white people - who founded the country - still in the country.

I don't expect the race issue ever to get better when it seems that only whites are able to treat people based on the content of their character and not the amount of the melanin content. Others seem to be like you - portraying whites as evil oppressors despite being massively uplifted by their wealth - and themselves as owed a shake down.

Except it is not true. White people are no different than any other group except they hold cultural power in this country. That generally means they get to control the narratives and the rules. Other than that we all have our bigotires.

What you stated is outrageously blatant lie.

And yes, it is the white nation, what do you god damn think? What, are we supposed to have the Japanese narratives? Well, maybe that would actually be good idea, since Japanese people would accurately identify what you posted as total nonsense and lies.

What specifically is a lie?

It is a white majority nation because we took by force and deceit from it’s native inhabitants (a trait common to the human race as a whole). So what narratives are there? Those of the dominant white European culture, those of the descendents of black slaves who did not attain full rights under law until the civil rights act; the narratives of Japanese Americans who were interned during WW2, the narratives of our indiginous peoples who suffered through a history of broken treaties and land confiscation....and so many more. All make up America but for some reason acknowledging brings about an almost anaphylactic reaction from some in the dominant white culture.

Everything that was stated in your STUPID ASS text was a lie. There is a big difference between the races for starters, in almost any metric that is looked at.

There is a big difference, hmmmm.....well that might say more about you than me, I am thinking since “black” in America means anyone with any percentage of African blood...

As for how the nation was founded, who fucking cares. If you are not fine with it leave, it sounds like you weren't an American anyway. Chances are you won't come by any nation with less troubled past, but at least plenty will execute you for treason, the non-white ones especially.

Cool. Doesn’t mean you have the right to discount other American narratives ... nor, for that matter, dou you get to decide who is or is not an American.

As president Trump outlines in his speech, it is because of American achievement that you even have time to formulate the whinery you have just submitted. We dragged humanity out of disease, poverty and ignorance. No, not you, you have not achieved SHIT by the looks of the text. And no one with your destructive far-left mentality ever will. That is precisely why the whinery.

That achievement was built by all Americans, including the descendents of Africans, you seem to imply are racially inferior, the many immigrants .... Irish, Polish, Mexican, Chinese, German, Lebanese, Somali, Cuban....more than I can think of off the top of my head, our indiginous peoples...all of us.

Coyote, you again display your fundamental confusions about what America is. See, I have the right to discount ANY narrative I want, for ANY reason. The anti-American narratives of yours will get placed in a dumpster. Finally, yes I can observe who is, and is not an American. You don't seem even half American.

You can learn about the achievements of African Americans all over Africa - they still have more slaves than were ever brought here - and don't even have drinking water in many places. It was mostly the Western Europeans for whom and by whom the nation was built, based on superior American values of freedom. Everything you state from start to finish is systematically NONSENSE.

 

[Norman]

Cool. Doesn’t mean you have the right to discount other American narratives ... nor, for that matter, dou you get to decide who is or is not an American.

When they espouse enmity towards everything American, our founding principles, The Founding Fathers, God, Art, Rule of law, The 4th of July..
When their goal is to tear America down and rebuild it how they want? They are enemies of America.
I decide they are not American. I think they should leave. Try Cuba or Somalia for a while.

There is nothing American whatsoever about them. Nothing at all. Not blood, not values, not culture, not allegiances, nothing...

 

[flacaltenn]

Cool. Doesn’t mean you have the right to discount other American narratives ... nor, for that matter, dou you get to decide who is or is not an American.

When they espouse enmity towards everything American, our founding principles, The Founding Fathers, God, Art, Rule of law, The 4th of July..
When their goal is to tear America down and rebuild it how they want? They are enemies of America.
I decide they are not American. I think they should leave. Try Cuba or Somalia for a while.

There is nothing American whatsoever about them. Nothing at all. Not blood, not values, not culture, not allegiances, nothing...

Must be why so many blacks are idolized for accomplishments in this country.. Like Tiger Woods expanding the audience for the PGA or Charley Pride breaking racial barriers in country music.. Pride his race for a long time and when "he came out" -- he was STILL a star.. Got achievers in medicine, engineering, law and science...

It's NOT that they aren't American, their POLITICS is what really drives this divide.. If they all voted Repub -- you'd LOVE them...

 

[Mac1958]

So mac is smearing the right because some people are racist? Holy Shit. I thought he bought into that systemic crap like red lining or some unjust law?
So you are bellyaching against a whole party because racists exist? You join the race baiters who act like red lining still exists and that laws are attacking people because of skin color? Then you go all preachy saying republicans don't think racism exists?

Wow, you just keep bitching. Your stamina is impressive.

Since I know I'm wasting my time, I'll just cut & paste from another post of mine on this thread.

If this isn't good or simple enough for you, too bad. Here:

I'm as anti-PC and anti-Identity Politics as ever, and I still talk about it all the time. Here's the tricky part: Real, ignorant, paranoid, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging white racism AND cynical, intellectually dishonest PC and Identity Politics can and do occupy the same universe at the same time. True story!

What I didn't know pre-Trump, was how much of the former was still out there. Now I do, and I think it's fucking ugly.

Why do I go after the Right more at this moment? Because THERE IS A REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Maybe that's it, huh? When Obama was in office, the Regressive Lefties in here were saying I had become a right winger. As I have no doubt YOU remember. And it will happen again if Biden wins.

There. There's the whole explanation. I can't make it more clear than that.

 

[Mac1958]

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BLM has a legitimate cause in protesting police brutality. That said, there are those who are out to cause destruction who undermine the group. The ones who castigate the movement only see the criminals while the ones who vehemently support the movement only see legitimate protestors.

Bottom line is that we have bad cops who are a disgrace to the shield while the clear majority are good people.

Seems both groups have bad apples that allow for broadbrush criticism...

Yep.

What really concerns me, though, is that it appears that the chances of "an honest conversation on race" are getting smaller by the minute (not that they were ever that high). There is zero (0) honest self-examination happening on either side, and the walls are just getting thicker.

Everyone is busy “reacting”...

That's the culture right now. Don't listen or understand, just formulate your next belch of talking points while the other guy is talking.

 

[Mac1958]

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

Let's get past fishing for nouns or adjectives here...

Watch the vid and learn.....



Both co-founders are SELF declared "Marxist organizers"... We fought that battle before. Don't want it to become a "political brand" in this country with a cover of respectability.. They hijacked a simple slogan and launched a POLITICAL movement.. And now the morons marching in the streets to build credibility for this group who advocates killing police and general anarchy could care less... But the rest of us DO....

That said, I listened to the founder of BET say that the support for BLM is iffy as best in the Black community.. Or at least the informed majority of that community... Seems like with "eyes on the prize", most Blacks dont WANT the extra baggage of shilling for a bunch of commie revolutionaries...

Does that COVER IT?? It's a non-starter.. What is IMPLIED by their founding principles is at LEAST antithetical to our whole concept of govt.. And at WORST -- a dead end street for blacks wanting to REACH the real solutions that America needs in race relations...

You're assigning one small organization to an entire political philosophy. It's an excuse to keep screaming platitudes and pointing the finger.

Not good enough for me.

 

[Mac1958]

This isn't going well!

Think they're trying to tell you to "read up" on the founding of BLM and the leadership.. It's all an open secret about their principles and goals..

What's amazing to me is the COOPERATION of major American corporations to BACK such a group... It's right out of Atlas Shrugged... Prostrating your public owned company to secure protection from such a group is beyond foolhardy.. It's suicidal...

I'd LOVE to see a competing movement with ACTUALLY GENUINE goals to right wrongs.. But this farce has already gained enough traction to DESTROY those who raised them up...

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