For argument's sake, let's say BLM is EVIL.

[HereWeGoAgain]

So, Mac58's continued, undying support for BLM, KNOWING FULL WELL that they are a butt fucking communist front organization, leads me to ONE CONCLUSION ONLY!!!

Mac58 is a FUCKING COMMIE!!!

Goose-step your irrational ass the fuck out of America, 58. You are the fringe left you pretend to despise.

You don't have to pretend all that communist front bullshit. Let it all out.

Do you deny that BLM is a communist organization (or Marxist/Socialist/steal-your-property-by-government-force)?

Yes. It's an equality-before-the-law, don't choke out my life with government force organization. You're just spewing your demonizing nonsense to avoid saying it's always the black guy's fault.

The government isnt choking anyone out. That is an absurd claim.

The police is the point at which government force is applied. Cops are agents of the State. They're the people you call to squash the unruly. How you not know this?

Yeah...because they really squashed the thugs in seattle.

 

[Mac-7]

The police is the point at which government force is applied. Cops are agents of the State. They're the people you call to squash the unruly. How you not know this?

Have you ever been choked by the police?

let me be more specific

have you ever successfully disarmed a cop and beaten him up?

 

[Andylusion]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

 

[Mac1958]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

 

[Andylusion]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

No, that's too broad. I specifically said systemic racism.

Of course there are racists people. That's obvious. If you have any two groups of people anywhere on this world... there is going to be racism. Human beings are flawed, and always will be flawed.

There will never be a day, ever... where there is no racism anymore. Not going to happen.

Even if you have identical looking people.... you will have racism. People are flawed. They'll find a way to split into groups and hate each other.

Hutus and Tutsis, Rwanda Genocide.

But there is no system racism in this country. There is not.



Black people can do anything in this country. Anything. And have been able to, long before Obama was President. There is no systemic racism.

 

[Godboy]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

Most of the time it is. Well, most of the time its the lie that they tell people after they get pulled over. They never tell the part of the story where they failed to use turn signals or they were speeding. No, the story is summed up by simply stating "i got pulled over today for being black". Then in the future they try to squeeze out some sympathy from the people around them by stating "ive been pulled over in the past for being black". It is of course just a bunch of horseshit. Some of my favorite videos are of black people making that claim, filing a complaint against the city and officer, then the body cam footage comes out that of course shows they were lying.

Police body cams are the best thing that ever happened. We now know the truth of these old lies.

Rialto Police Release Body Camera Video Of Controversial Confrontation With Black Filmmakers

Three of the four people leaving the Airbnb were black, but police say it wasn't their race that raised suspicions of the neighbor. Tina Patel reports.

www.youtube.com

 

[Mac1958]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

No, that's too broad. I specifically said systemic racism.

Of course there are racists people. That's obvious. If you have any two groups of people anywhere on this world... there is going to be racism. Human beings are flawed, and always will be flawed.

There will never be a day, ever... where there is no racism anymore. Not going to happen.

Even if you have identical looking people.... you will have racism. People are flawed. They'll find a way to split into groups and hate each other.

Hutus and Tutsis, Rwanda Genocide.

But there is no system racism in this country. There is not.



Black people can do anything in this country. Anything. And have been able to, long before Obama was President. There is no systemic racism.

I'm not even sure what the definition of "systemic racism" is from person to person. My concern is more about the everyday variety.

 

[Andylusion]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

No, that's too broad. I specifically said systemic racism.

Of course there are racists people. That's obvious. If you have any two groups of people anywhere on this world... there is going to be racism. Human beings are flawed, and always will be flawed.

There will never be a day, ever... where there is no racism anymore. Not going to happen.

Even if you have identical looking people.... you will have racism. People are flawed. They'll find a way to split into groups and hate each other.

Hutus and Tutsis, Rwanda Genocide.

But there is no system racism in this country. There is not.



Black people can do anything in this country. Anything. And have been able to, long before Obama was President. There is no systemic racism.

I'm not even sure what the definition of "systemic racism" is from person to person. My concern is more about the everyday variety.

Systemic racism, is when the system is rigged against you. Again, the Hutus with the power of government, slaughtered the Tutsis. That would be.... systemic racism.

Laws or regulations, that hinder people based on their race. For example, the rule that blacks must sit at the back of the bus, that MLK Jr fought against... that is systemic racism.

Those things have been weeded out of our country, and they don't exist.

As for person to person.... well you can't stop that, unless you turn us into an authoritarian dictatorship, and revoke freedom of speech.

But that doesn't do anything. People have called me names for as long as I've been alive. It didn't stop me from getting a job, or making a living, or anything.

And as I said before, one person hating another person, will exist until the end of time. Humans are just flawed. You can't make someone, like you.

 

[Norman]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

No, that's too broad. I specifically said systemic racism.

Of course there are racists people. That's obvious. If you have any two groups of people anywhere on this world... there is going to be racism. Human beings are flawed, and always will be flawed.

There will never be a day, ever... where there is no racism anymore. Not going to happen.

Even if you have identical looking people.... you will have racism. People are flawed. They'll find a way to split into groups and hate each other.

Hutus and Tutsis, Rwanda Genocide.

But there is no system racism in this country. There is not.



Black people can do anything in this country. Anything. And have been able to, long before Obama was President. There is no systemic racism.

I would not go that far.

California legalizing discrimination based on skin color now.

 

[Norman]

This organization has been the topic of about a zillion threads over the last few days, and this massive deflection from our race issues isn't going to solve a thing. Nor will the efforts of Trumpsters to play the same game the hardcore Left has done for so long, calling everything the other tribe does "racist". You ends of the spectrum sure like to behave like each other.

So, just for the sake of argument, let's stipulate that the BLM is organization is a net negative. Please attach whatever hyperbolic noun or status or adjective to them that you would like.

Great! So... NOW what? How do we go forward with the overall race issue in this country? We have accusations of police brutality and accusations of blatant white racism. How do we move forward? There are many millions of Americans who have or want nothing to do with BLM the organization, but agree with the basic premise that white racism still exists, particularly from the Right.

So?

There is no "race issue" except in the minds of people who want there to be a race issue.

Yes, there are plenty of accusations. That doesn't mean anything. Any idiot can make an accusation. Takes less brain power than Forest Gump had, to run around screaming everyone is racists.

The reality is, there is no systemic racism in this country. That's why immigrant blacks, and other minorities, consistently come here, and are successful.

If there was any real systemic racism in this country, that prevented minorities from succeeding, there would not be masses of them trying to get into this country. Again, Forest Gump could figure out that people wouldn't try to get into a country so they could be discriminated against, and held in poverty.

So given there is no race issue to be fixed..... thus we can't fix this.

There is no other solution to problems that only exist in people's mental ideology.

There are no laws against blacks, that prevent them from getting jobs, or owning property, or stop them from opening businesses or anything else.... which again is why immigrant blacks come here and open businesses all the time, and succeed.

If anything, there are laws that benefit blacks, at the expense of other races, and that is the only racism I know of.

As for what do we do about it... we don't do anything about it. There is nothing we can do about it.

I can't make you stop believing in unicorns and fairies, or in systemic racism. Thus the demands of BLM will never be met. Ever.

There will never be a defunding of the entire police department. Not going to happen.

There will never be reparations. Not going to happen.

How do you give reparations from people who never owned slaves, to people who never were slaves? None in my entire family had slaves. Most people didn't have slaves.

In fact, it was tiny tiny fraction of people who had slaves. Remember most of the people in the US, lived in the free-states. I think in 1850, there were something roughly like 13 Million in free states, while only 9 Million people in the slave states, and that included the 3 Million slaves. So 6 million free Americans in slave states.

And then only about 25% of those, owned slaves. So less than 1.5 Million of 20 million free people, had slaves.

Now how are you going to figure out which white people you are going to get reparations from?

Oh by the way..... 'white' is also a problem. Because black people had slaves in the slaves states too. In fact, the first slave owner in America.... was a black man.

Are you going to demand reparations from blacks as well? By the way, people act shocked when I point that out. I am not sure how they think the slave trade worked, as if a boat merchant, just randomly wanders around Africa looking for people to grab and drag off. Great way to get yourself killed.

Throughout all of Africa, they had slaves. For thousands of years they had slaves.

Merchants purchased people who were slaves to begin with. They didn't become slaves when Europeans showed up. They were slaves before there was ever a boat at the shore with rum and spices to trade. Every single slave that came to this land, started off as being owned by a black slave masters, and were sold to a Europeans.

So how are you going to get reparations from that? You going to fly over to the Ivory Coast, and start demanding money? Good luck.

Not going to happen.

There will never be "economic justice", where somehow you get paid the same as me, even if you don't work like I do, have the knowledge I do, and you don't save and invest your money like I do.

Not going to happen.

So to be blunt, none of what the BLM wants, will they ever get. And since we can't fix a problem that doesn't exist... there is no solution.

Well there is a solution. They need to shut up, stop their whining, get their butt back to work, and make a life for themselves like everyone else.

That's the solution. There is no other solution.

Yes, I've been told multiple times today that racism is a figment of Black Americans' imagination.

Would you agree?

No, that's too broad. I specifically said systemic racism.

Of course there are racists people. That's obvious. If you have any two groups of people anywhere on this world... there is going to be racism. Human beings are flawed, and always will be flawed.

There will never be a day, ever... where there is no racism anymore. Not going to happen.

Even if you have identical looking people.... you will have racism. People are flawed. They'll find a way to split into groups and hate each other.

Hutus and Tutsis, Rwanda Genocide.

But there is no system racism in this country. There is not.



Black people can do anything in this country. Anything. And have been able to, long before Obama was President. There is no systemic racism.

I'm not even sure what the definition of "systemic racism" is from person to person. My concern is more about the everyday variety.

Systemic racism, is when the system is rigged against you. Again, the Hutus with the power of government, slaughtered the Tutsis. That would be.... systemic racism.

Laws or regulations, that hinder people based on their race. For example, the rule that blacks must sit at the back of the bus, that MLK Jr fought against... that is systemic racism.

Those things have been weeded out of our country, and they don't exist.

As for person to person.... well you can't stop that, unless you turn us into an authoritarian dictatorship, and revoke freedom of speech.

But that doesn't do anything. People have called me names for as long as I've been alive. It didn't stop me from getting a job, or making a living, or anything.

And as I said before, one person hating another person, will exist until the end of time. Humans are just flawed. You can't make someone, like you.

I congratulate you for giving a serious, correct answer to the troll thread.

Remains to be seen whether Mac finally pulls off the mask and reveals himself to be a communist demanding equality of outcome - an utterly anti-American idea.

 

[joaquinmiller]

The police is the point at which government force is applied. Cops are agents of the State. They're the people you call to squash the unruly. How you not know this?

Have you ever been choked by the police?

let me be more specific

have you ever successfully disarmed a cop and beaten him up?

Are you kidding? I have master race written all over me. I live in the mountains and drive a pickup - that's a get-out-of-jail free card, unless the local constabulary couldn't wring enough out of the immigrants this month. Is your request for an anecdote somehow germane?

 

[Mac1958]

Remains to be seen whether Mac finally pulls off the mask and reveals himself to be a communist demanding equality of outcome - an utterly anti-American idea.

Okay, you're right. I'm pulling off the mask: I'm the world's first communist financial advisor.

Damn. It feels so good to finally let that out.

 

[Mac-7]

Are you kidding? I have master race written all over me. I live in the mountains and drive a pickup - that's a get-out-of-jail free card

I dont think any of that is true, because if it were you would know that no one does fisticuffs with the cops and gets away with it

 

[Mac-7]

Okay, you're right. I'm pulling off the mask: I'm the world's first communist financial advisor.

Reservation Indians hunted jackrabbits during the week and renegade Apache’s for the calvary on the weekends

in addition, as marxists go you would be small fry compared to the big boys like george soros

 

[joaquinmiller]

Are you kidding? I have master race written all over me. I live in the mountains and drive a pickup - that's a get-out-of-jail free card

I dont think any of that is true, because if it were you would know that no one does fisticuffs with the cops and gets away with it

That was your invention. It has nothing to do with me. My experience - whatever you imagine it to be - doesn't have anything to do with BLM or systemic racism.

 

[Mac-7]

My experience - whatever you imagine it to be - doesn't have anything to do with BLM or systemic racism.

How could it, since systemic racism against black people is a lib lie?

 

[Norman]

As was pointed out before, there is no racist systems of systematic racism, but there are regular racists.

Here is a big one.

Is that a white power hand-sign there?

 

[DustyInfinity]

You're trying too hard. Calm down.

You guys only see the stuff I say that freaks you out. Not everyone is a binary winger. True story.

Showing your complete flip flop on the subject isn't at all difficult for me, Mac, and I am not agitated. I just find myself wondering what has happened to you to account for your change from a rational individual to a mouthpiece for politically correct woke culture.

I'm as anti-PC and anti-Identity Politics as ever, and I still talk about it all the time.

Here's the tricky part: Real, ignorant, paranoid, butt-scratching, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging white racism AND cynical, intellectually dishonest PC and Identity Politics can and do occupy the same universe at the same time. True story!

What I didn't know pre-Trump, was how much of the former was still out there. Now I do, and I think it's fucking ugly.

Why do I go after the Right more at this moment? Because THERE IS A REPUBLICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Maybe that's it, huh? When Obama was in office, the Regressive Lefties in here were saying I had become a right winger. As I have no doubt YOU remember. And it will happen again if Biden wins.

There. There's the whole explanation. I can't make it more clear than that.

You just got woke because you bought into all the CNN crap. You fell for the garbage you used speak out against. They wore you down until you became a drooling white people is evil drone.

 

[whitehall]

Lefties are notorious for their short memories and lack of historic perspective. Why didn't America "go forward with the race issue" during the eight freaking years that we had a Black left wing president in office? Remember Obama? What we are experiencing today is anarchy stoked up by the democrat party and the liberal media.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I wonder what would happen if a poster were to start thread after thread entitled "What is it with you snowflakes and your obsession with the KKK??

The kkk is just a civil rights organization out for "social justice" after all, right? Why then, are snowflakes "losing their shit" over it?


You see, this illustrates one of the difference between the righties and lefties on this board. Almost ALL Of the righties will condemn the kkk. NONE of the lefties dare criticize BLM.