roderick
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Gov should not be involved in this at all.
First SNAP Ban on Candy and Soda Set To Become Law
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What are the restrictions?
roderick
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You should know.
You asked me a question, I answered it. You just didn't like the response, so you hit me with a wall of text.C'mon, West. Are welfare people the new replacement for the people hating the Jews? Do we really want to punish all the people needing public assistance just because some few of them abuse it? Isn't the real goal here to catch fraud and get the cheaters out of the system? Does anyone here really think it is the right thing to deny some old guy on disability with a heart problem or cannot walk a simple snack, candy bar or drink of cola as his own dignity or pleasure left in an otherwise life of suffering, misery and pain just because some punks elsewhere abuse the system?
Do we really want to go down that slippery slope were we start sanctioning the government of all people in deciding one class of people's right to not deserve even a simple candy bar or a soda just because some misfortune forced them onto welfare while we afford that simple treat to everyone else? When does the government decide that hey, maybe they should have a say in what you and I eat and drink too?
Oh wait--- it is good for them. You can't seriously think that depriving all these people of a few candy bars a week or a few cans of pop is going to make any impact on their health.
No, then, it must be the money! But wait---- whether they spend their monthly allotment on Cheetos and Mountain Dew or 50 pounds of kale, their allotment does not change, and even if they spend less, whatever they don't spend this month carries through to the next month, so it isn't like anyone is even saving a dime.
So all that is left is /VINDICTIVENESS/--- "Those rat bastards are living the high life on my dime! Why should they have any pleasure at all! Feed them stale bread, tepid water, and some expired packs of lunch meat."
Geesh--- convicted murderers have gotten more civility.
I just cannot believe that some people here are so bitter about a few people being on SNAP who maybe abuse it or should not be on it at all, that they would be willing to punish the whole rest of the people on SNAP who play by the rules, really need and deserve it and are barely getting by as it is, that they would see them living on bread and water (somebody suggested that here) like they have done them some terrible wrong. Even a dog gets more dignity, love and respect. Wow.
I'm sorry. Maybe people don't get me--- I'm all for catching the cheaters and eliminating fraud and waste, but I've not lived so hard and terrible a life to deny those that really need it the same rights I have, and the dignity to be able to at least have the simple pleasure of a Clark bar or a can of soda to help make the miseries of life a little easier to get through.
Once we start rationalizing taking rights away from some of us, especially some people who have committed no wrong, in a country which prides itself on personal liberty, justice and rights, we diminish all of us. For once you go over that slope where the government sees fit now to control what some of us can eat, it can only open the door for them taking away more rights from more people--- there will always be someone with some reason to justify it.
The simple fact is this, people who get welfare, make poor judgements. Restricting them to a certain type of food isn't punishment.
It is helping them make better choices. If they want to purchase crap, they can get a side job for the money to do that.
Should children at 7 a.m. in the morning waiting for a bus to go to public school go into a store and purchase soda, candy and potato chips to eat while waiting. Are they using food stamps or giving money to do so due to their family getting SNAP and other benefits. Games are played.
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They can still buy those things, just with their own money.
^^^ This is a liberal, 100%, arguing that people who are capable of working but do not STILL should get food stamps - and be free to spend them on whatever they want.C'mon, West. Are welfare people the new replacement for the people hating the Jews? Do we really want to punish all the people needing public assistance just because some few of them abuse it? Isn't the real goal here to catch fraud and get the cheaters out of the system? Does anyone here really think it is the right thing to deny some old guy on disability with a heart problem or cannot walk a simple snack, candy bar or drink of cola as his own dignity or pleasure left in an otherwise life of suffering, misery and pain just because some punks elsewhere abuse the system?
Do we really want to go down that slippery slope were we start sanctioning the government of all people in deciding one class of people's right to not deserve even a simple candy bar or a soda just because some misfortune forced them onto welfare while we afford that simple treat to everyone else? When does the government decide that hey, maybe they should have a say in what you and I eat and drink too?
Oh wait--- it is good for them. You can't seriously think that depriving all these people of a few candy bars a week or a few cans of pop is going to make any impact on their health.
No, then, it must be the money! But wait---- whether they spend their monthly allotment on Cheetos and Mountain Dew or 50 pounds of kale, their allotment does not change, and even if they spend less, whatever they don't spend this month carries through to the next month, so it isn't like anyone is even saving a dime.
So all that is left is /VINDICTIVENESS/--- "Those rat bastards are living the high life on my dime! Why should they have any pleasure at all! Feed them stale bread, tepid water, and some expired packs of lunch meat."
Geesh--- convicted murderers have gotten more civility.
I just cannot believe that some people here are so bitter about a few people being on SNAP who maybe abuse it or should not be on it at all, that they would be willing to punish the whole rest of the people on SNAP who play by the rules, really need and deserve it and are barely getting by as it is, that they would see them living on bread and water (somebody suggested that here) like they have done them some terrible wrong. Even a dog gets more dignity, love and respect. Wow.
I'm sorry. Maybe people don't get me--- I'm all for catching the cheaters and eliminating fraud and waste, but I've not lived so hard and terrible a life to deny those that really need it the same rights I have, and the dignity to be able to at least have the simple pleasure of a Clark bar or a can of soda to help make the miseries of life a little easier to get through.
Once we start rationalizing taking rights away from some of us, especially some people who have committed no wrong, in a country which prides itself on personal liberty, justice and rights, we diminish all of us. For once you go over that slope where the government sees fit now to control what some of us can eat, it can only open the door for them taking away more rights from more people--- there will always be someone with some reason to justify it.
They want soda? Get a job. And if they’re elderly or disabled, having to give up soda is a good thing.
So you’re saying government should not be involved in making taxpayers pay for other people’s food? Unless we are talking about someone over 60 or disabled, I agree.
their kids can be denied ICE CREAM----I object. Ice cream is NOT JUNK FOOD----it is a staple
If you are using someone else’s money, then you need to follow their restrictions
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Yeah! Mt Dew is better!
Poor people are free to drink Dr. Pepper. Just NOT when other people are being forced to pay for it.
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I don't see a problem with buying the child a treat every now and then, I mean, even children on food assistance deserve a treat every now and then, but if those snacks are replacing meals, then the child is not getting the proper nutrition they need, and that shouldn't happen.
You are acting as if poor people have NO cash, and depend on other people to pay for every purchase. They have money for alcohol and money for cigarettes, so they can give up a drink to get their kid a treat.
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Most do. Smoking and drinking is more prevalent among welfare people than people who support themselves.
You grew up on welfare? You should be grateful that taxpayers helped feed your family. Are you?
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How, exactly, would you know that?
Anyway, many people on SNAP work, but they still are under the poverty line. The elderly on Social Security--SNAP recipients.
People on unemployment..SNAP recipients. Those on disability--temporary or permanent... SNAP recipients.
None of those people are receiving 'welfare'.
This is an interactive site that lets you pick your state and see the relevant data on this subject--I picked Idaho:
Whom Does SNAP Reach?
In federal fiscal year 2024, it helped:
- 130,900 Idaho residents, or 7% of the state population (1 in 15)
- 41,697,500 participants in the United States, or 12% of the total population (1 in 8)
Idaho
more than 67% of SNAP participants are in families with children
more than 38% are in families with members who are older adults or are disabled
more than 43% are in working families
Nationally
more than 62% of SNAP participants are in families with children
more than 37% are in families with members who are older adults or are disabled
more than 38% are in working families
Seems to me that you have some sort of investment in vilifying poor people.
Yes, I know food stamp usage is very prevalent, especially among those who did not prepare for a career or trade.
So I ask again: aren’t you thankful that Americans helped feed your family?
P.S. Saying that welfare recipients shouldn’t be able to buy soda with other people’s money is hardly villifying them.
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