Facts About the Vietnam War that Liberal Historians Ignore

[Soupnazi630]

especially this part: "... you arshoM

especially this part: "... you arshole, you are as ignorant about that as you are about Vietnam."

He was referring to you chicken hawk

You have been proven a liar and poser and i know more about this the either you two children put together

 

[Zebra]

Do you know how Puerto Rico became American? it was given to them by Spanish Colonialists along with other Countries like Cuba, very nice of them to give Countries away which they didn't own.

CubA?

 

[Deadstick]

Because we defeated them in the war you total retard

You are the ignorant one here and have been owned

Didn't change the fact you were given those territories you thick Muppet by Spain who had colonized them, Colonialism means invading other lands and stealing their stuff.

 

[GLASNOST]

Didn't change the fact you were given those territories you thick Muppet by Spain who had colonized them, Colonialism means invading other lands and stealing their stuff.

That guy doesn't believe we lost the war in Vietnam because the US never declared war. What a petty ass that guy is.

 

[Deadstick]

That guy doesn't believe we lost the war in Vietnam because the US never declared war. What a petty ass that guy is.

That's the problem they learn nothing from History, i must have been mistaken when i saw that chopper leaving the US Embassy roof in a panic as the NVA were about to liberate Saigon.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Didn't change the fact you were given those territories you thick Muppet by Spain who had colonized them, Colonialism means invading other lands and stealing their stuff.

Wrong dumbass they were not given they were SURRENDERED

Learn how to ******* read you witless asswipe

 

[Deadstick]

Wrong dumbass they were not given they were SURRENDERED

Learn how to ******* read you witless asswipe

I told you arsehole there was a treaty in 1898 in Paris when the Spanish signed over those territories to the US, WTF did they teach you clowns in High School? not the truth by the look of it.

 

[GLASNOST]

That's the problem they learn nothing from History,

They reject it.

i must have been mistaken when i saw that chopper leaving the US Embassy roof in a panic as the NVA were about to liberate Saigon.

Yeah, those were soldiers en route to 7 days in-country R&R at Vung Tau.

 

[Mushroom]

That song refers to the AVERAGE age of men killed in vietnam not a limit on age for those who were deployed

I am aware of that. But pointing out that is likely where he came up with that nonsense.

 

[longly]

Communism is an evil philosophy that murdered 100 million people worldwide. Anyone who supported the communist is an accessory to mass murder the same as anyone who supported the Nazis were an accessory to the genocide.

 

[GLASNOST]

Communism is an evil philosophy that murdered 100 million people worldwide. Anyone who supported the communist is an accessory to mass murder the same as anyone who supported the Nazis were an accessory to the genocide.

.... including the treachery meted out by the United Snakes and Israel or are they the double standard exceptions of impunity? Bush murdered a million innocent men, women, and children in Irak. He also tortured innocent men in Abu Graib and Guantanamo. Is the United Snakes an "evil communist philosophy"? By the way, this is a thread about Vietnam, a nation that successfully fought off the French, the Japanese, and the United Snakes. Communism saved a whole nation and its population ….. a deed that your country tried to snuff out and destroy.

 

[Soupnazi630]

.... including the treachery meted out by the United Snakes and Israel or are they the double standard exceptions of impunity? Bush murdered a million innocent men, women, and children in Irak. He also tortured innocent men in Abu Graib and Guantanamo. Is the United Snakes an "evil communist philosophy"? By the way, this is a thread about Vietnam, a nation that successfully fought off the French, the Japanese, and the United Snakes. Communism saved a whole nation and its population ….. a deed that your country tried to snuff out and destroy.

Wrong.

First of all the whole million casualty rate in IraQ is an exaggeration.

Second the Communists in north vietnam were the agressors who started the war there. The US was defending agaiinst them and THEY were attempring to snuff out and ensllabve vietnam

 

[Soupnazi630]

I told you arsehole there was a treaty in 1898 in Paris when the Spanish signed over those territories to the US, WTF did they teach you clowns in High School? not the truth by the look of it.

More than they taught you ***** you originally claim they were gieven tous

THAT is false and evidence of a second rate bad education. They were not given away you drooling retard

 

[Soupnazi630]

Didn't change the fact you were given those territories you thick Muppet by Spain who had colonized them, Colonialism means invading other lands and stealing their stuff.

No I was not you pencil dick moron

They wrre surrendered. And colonialism means different things depending on who does it

you are a brainwashed moron and you are ******* STUPID

 

[HikerGuy83]

Read: I'm not interested in your propaganda about it.

There is no propaganda you moron.

What he is calling out is fact. I loved the book "The 10,000 Day War" Very insightful.

Ho was a nantionalist. He wanted help getting the French out, but America let them return.

Diem Bien Phu was the end for them.

However, the U.S. was living in the shadow of the so-called domino theory. And that is why they thought they had to act.

History seems to indicate the Kennedy was ready to get out, but Johnson thought he could do them in.

He didn't know that they have been throwing invaders out for millenia. They can go for decades living in the mountains and underground. They are that committed.

Another thing. Ho lost power to Le Duan who wanted to go go go go (while sending his sons to Russia for school to avoid getting them killed.

 

[Mushroom]

However, the U.S. was living in the shadow of the so-called domino theory. And that is why they thought they had to act.

That is close, but that is not quite correct.

In the aftermath of WWII, quite often when a nation broke away from Colonialism, it picked a sponsor to assist it until they were on their feet. And after WWII, more often than not the nations elected either the Soviet Union or US to assist them in that transition.

Both North Korea and North Vietnam picked the USSR after breaking away from Japan and France. Both South Korea and South Vietnam chose the US as their sponsor. Laos also decided to work with the US, but not make a formal alliance. And a lot of people forget that North Vietnam invaded them also.

Cambodia tried to steer a neutral path, and did not join either the US, USSR, or any of their partners with alliances. Which is why then they fell in 1975 to the Khmer Rouge, the world pretty much did not care.

With Vietnam, it is more like in Korea. An ally of the US was attacked, so we responded with assistance. Laos was less of an ally, so we gave them less assistance. Cambodia was an ally to nobody, so nobody gave them assistance.

This is something many who try to point at the "Domino Theory" tend to miss. Because if it was as they believe, then the US should have been invading Cambodia when it became Kampuchea. Of course, it did not matter much that the Soviets did not care for Kampuchea either, nor did the North Vietnamese. Because even though they were "Communists", they were the wrong form of Communists, and closer to the PRC than the USSR.

And this can even be seen in Ukraine today. For over 3 decades, they (as well as nations like Sweden and Finland) tried to steer a neutral course, and not aligning with either USSR-Russia or US-NATO. And in the end, that is why many nations are offering to support them with equipment, but not a single soldier. Something I actually agree with, because one can not expect others to be willing to die for their nation if they are not willing to do the same in return. I would have had no problem fighting to defend one of our many allies, because I know they have agreed to do the same in return. For others, they are more than welcome to any equipment we are not using, but as far as I am concerned that is where it ends.

 

[mikegriffith1]

Or more.

One can never forget the "Vietcong Special Activity Cells" that were active before the ink was even dry on the Geneva Accords. Where they were killing over 1,000 people a month, normally government officials or prominent South Vietnamese supporters. Being known to be a supporter of the South Vietnam government when the VC came into your village was a death sentence.

Why in the hell would anybody choose to hold elections to merge with a nation like that? Not that it was any kind of secret, they executed over 3,000 "Enemies of Liberty" in the Hue Massacre alone. One of which was Catholic Priest John-Baptiste Nguyen Buu Do ng, who was captured during the Tet Offensive in Hue. Taken from his church, his body was found almost two years later in a mass grave, along with the bodies of two other Catholic priests and 20 civilians.

Very good points.

And a lot has been made over the execution on film of Nguyen Lem. But for some reason, it is never mentioned that he was a Captain in the VC and conducting attacks in civilian clothes. A clear violation of International Law and therefore lost all protection of a POW. And he was captured leaving the site of a horrible massacre, which included 34 people including men, women, and children. And during questioning bragged that he had them rounded up and killed under orders. The General that shot him knew some of the victims, and as under the Laws of Warfare he was classified as a "spy" he was summarily executed.

I think most people do not even realize that combatants that operate in civilian attire and kill non-combatants are not protected under any of the Hague or Geneva Conventions. Simply executing them is perfectly legal.

Actually, Dr. Erik Villard, a scholar at the U.S. Army Center of Military History, has established that Nguyen Lem was not the man whom General Loan shot. I think Villard makes an airtight case that the man who was shot was a man named Na. Na was the liaison between a local Communist committee and the Viet Cong's 6th Local Force Battalion and was trying to warn the Viet Cong, which was an act of treason in and of itself.

There are many liberals who will never admit the truth about the Vietnam War, even after all the disclosures that have come from North Vietnamese and Viet Cong sources, because they don't want to admit that they and/or their parents and/or their grandparents helped to enable the oppression and brutalization of 19 million people, i.e., the people of South Vietnam.

 

[GLASNOST]

Very good points.


Actually, Dr. Erik Villard, a scholar at the U.S. Army Center of Military History, has established that Nguyen Lem was not the man whom General Loan shot. I think Villard makes an airtight case that the man who was shot was a man named Na. Na was the liaison between a local Communist committee and the Viet Cong's 6th Local Force Battalion and was trying to warn the Viet Cong, which was an act of treason in and of itself.

There are many liberals who will never admit the truth about the Vietnam War, even after all the disclosures that have come from North Vietnamese and Viet Cong sources, because they don't want to admit that they and/or their parents and/or their grandparents helped to enable the oppression and brutalization of 19 million people, i.e., the people of South Vietnam.

Only the living, brain dead believe such nonsense.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Only the living, brain dead believe such nonsense.

IOW you hate inconvenient truths and have no intelligent response

 

[longly]

.... including the treachery meted out by the United Snakes and Israel or are they the double standard exceptions of impunity? Bush murdered a million innocent men, women, and children in Irak. He also tortured innocent men in Abu Graib and Guantanamo. Is the United Snakes an "evil communist philosophy"? By the way, this is a thread about Vietnam, a nation that successfully fought off the French, the Japanese, and the United Snakes. Communism saved a whole nation and its population ….. a deed that your country tried to snuff out and destroy.

You almost won the Cold War; it was close. If it hadn't been for the courage and self-sacrificing character of Ronald Reagan, you would've won; then we would have had a world filled with little Stallins. It would be a world where your boss could send you to prison, a slave labor camp, for not working hard enough to please him or perhaps he would just want your wife. Ronald Reagan saved the world from that, but I suspect he will never get credit for it not that he would care.