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[Carl in Michigan]

Here's an argum my from a Jewish source. Pretty weak if you're honest:

Isaiah 9:6 – What Jews Believe

whatjewsbelieve.org

 

[rosends]

Link your source. Or are you "the source"

Isaiah 9:5

For a child has been born to us,A son has been given us.And authority has settled on his shoulders.He has been named“The Mighty God is planning grace;dgrace As...

www.sefaria.org

 

[rosends]

Have you showed them they're in error?

why? They were not in error for what they are and what their goal is.

 

[rosends]

I googled your version. Google doesn't agree with you

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that's funny. You can't even see the obvious problems you are creating by trusting "AI."

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www.chabad.org

 

[Lisa558]

that's funny. You can't even see the obvious problems you are creating by trusting "AI."

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www.chabad.org

An interesting side-note: Upthread, Carl in Michigan made the insulting comment that Jews are “incomplete.” Coincidently, Jews who believe Jesus was the son of Gd sometimes refer to themselves as “completed Jews.”

IME, I have found that Jews who believe in Jesus are the most obnoxious to Jews who do not.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Isaiah 9:5

For a child has been born to us,A son has been given us.And authority has settled on his shoulders.He has been named“The Mighty God is planning grace;dgrace As...

www.sefaria.org

Okay, this is how they translate it. Pretty much the same as mine

For a child has been born to us,
A son has been given us.
And authority has settled on his shoulders.
He has been named
“The Mighty God is planning grace;
The Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler”

Again someone BORN with a pretty lofty title. Not the usual, "Who is like God" (Michael)

So who do you say this prophecy is referring to?

 

[rosends]

Okay, this is how they translate it. Pretty much the same as mine

For a child has been born to us,
A son has been given us.
And authority has settled on his shoulders.
He has been named
“The Mighty God is planning grace;
The Eternal Father, a peaceable ruler”

Again someone BORN with a pretty lofty title. Not the usual, "Who is like God" (Michael)

So who do you say this prophecy is referring to?

First, you have to recognize the change in tenses. Note the past tense. Also note that the translation undercuts your original question so you are now trying to reframe.

As to the specific object of the message, many commentators point to Hezekiah.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

An interesting side-note: Upthread, Carl in Michigan made the insulting comment that Jews are “incomplete.” Coincidently, Jews who believe Jesus was the son of Gd sometimes refer to themselves as “completed Jews.”

IME, I have found that Jews who believe in Jesus are the most obnoxious to Jews who do not.

I'm here for DISCUSSION. You often post on the Religion Forum but you seem to look for opportunities to be mock offended.

I'm not offended when Jews mock my God as I understand Him. Neither do the words of Muslims offend me. I only want sincere CONVERSATION, but you want to silence opinion you disagree with, with all your rules: "don't quote your New Testament, it OFFENDS me!". I don't lecture Mormons not to cite their book. Neither do I tell Muslims not to cite theirs. I like honest CONVERSATION. You are too easily "offended." I don't believe you're offended at all. I believe you have control issues. But I still like you as a poster.

But yes, Judaism, has become self limited. Your own prophets announced Him, but you reject Him. I honestly don't care if it hits a nerve with you. This is the purpose of a messageboard

 

[Lisa558]

I'm here for DISCUSSION. You often post on the Religion Forum but you seem to look for opportunities to be mock offended.

I'm not offended when Jews mock my God as I understand Him. Neither do the words of Muslims offend me. I only want sincere CONVERSATION, but you want to silence opinion you disagree with, with all your rules: "don't quote your New Testament, it OFFENDS me!". I don't lecture Mormons not to cite their book. Neither do I tell Muslims not to cite theirs. I like honest CONVERSATION. You are too easily "offended." I don't believe you're offended at all. I believe you have control issues. But I still like you as a poster.

But yes, Judaism, has become self limited. Your own prophets announced Him, but you reject Him. I honestly don't care if it hits a nerve with you. This is the purpose of a messageboard

So why won’t you answer : Were you a Jew who then decided to “accept” Jesus?

If you decided to REJECT Judaism, you really have no business castigating Jews for being loyal to their religion.

And our prophets didn’t “announce” Jesus. Christians changed the tense to make it appear that it was a prophesy, when it really was about the baby born to be King of Judea.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

First, you have to recognize the change in tenses. Note the past tense. Also note that the translation undercuts your original question so you are now trying to reframe.

As to the specific object of the message, many commentators point to Hezekiah.

I appreciate you actually explaining your position/interpretation.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

So why won’t you answer : Were you a Jew who then decided to “accept” Jesus?

No, I'm not Jewish but I consider myself Israelite, of the Tribe of Joseph (I am Joseph, your brother).

I follow the early Jerusalem Church as best I can, not the Roman Church which I continually call "christianized paganism"

 

[Lisa558]

No, I'm not Jewish but I consider myself Israelite, of the Tribe of Joseph (I am Joseph, your brother).

I follow the early Jerusalem Church as best I can, not the Roman Church which I continually call "christianized paganism"

I know you’re not Jewish NOW, but were you raised as a Jew?

 

[Woodznutz]

You mean Jews who dare express the beliefs on their religion? How DARE they share their views instead of just shutting up while Christians mock them.

Maybe you should direct your hostility toward Christians who enjoy repeatedly telling Jews they are wrong or, as you like to say, “incomplete.” You think THAT is an acceptable thing to tell Jews?

I say YOU are misguided.

Jews are wrong about many things, but I don't hold it against them. It's their problem, not mine.

 

[Woodznutz]

And we’ve had Christians on this forum tell us that Jews are the children of Satan. In fact, isn’t that in your Gospels?

Jesus called the Pharisee that, not all Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

Jews are wrong about many things, but I don't hold it against them. It's their problem, not mine.

Christians are wrong about many things, but that’s their problem.

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus called the Pharisee that, not all Jews.

Questionable, but whatever. The fact is that only a sliver of the world’s Jews during the time of Jesus even heard of the guy.

 

[ding]

No, I'm not Jewish but I consider myself Israelite, of the Tribe of Joseph (I am Joseph, your brother).

I follow the early Jerusalem Church as best I can, not the Roman Church which I continually call "christianized paganism"

I'm a pagan? Cool.

 

[gipper]

No, I'm not Jewish but I consider myself Israelite, of the Tribe of Joseph (I am Joseph, your brother).

I follow the early Jerusalem Church as best I can, not the Roman Church which I continually call "christianized paganism"

And you pray for more murdered Pali babies.

 

[kjw47]

We have some bold Jews here who like to debate Christianity in a Christian country (you have that right here). But what is the Jewish response to this? Honestly just curious. Someone BORN of Man will be called "the Mighty God"

It does not say-HE will be called those things. It says his NAME will be called those things at Isaiah 9

 

[Woodznutz]

Christians are wrong about many things, but that’s their problem.

True.