Evolution lies

[Newtonian]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

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"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

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One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

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there are no records for the flood establishing the religion of antiquity there were no survivors to pass down the lore. than the lineage not found guilty - of evil.

unless you are claiming that lineage was everywhere to be found - and would agree to establishing the correct accounting of the episode that presently does not exist. for your records to be correct if for that flood.

The table of nations in Genesis chapter 10 and then the scattering of all the languages in Genesis chapter 11 point to all present nations migrating from a common location in the middle east. The common origin of virtually all religions from ancient Babylon is another evidence of this. Many primary doctrines are the same in virtually all false religions - for example:

1. The immortality of the human soul.
2. The sanctification of war.
3. The use of the cross.
4 Trinities of gods and images of these gods.

These are all false doctrines not contained in the Bible and not originally believed by the Jews.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Evolution is the satanic lie creating a distance between you and God. Stop to sin, repent and come back to God, otherwise it will be too late

Yes, and God put fossils in the earth to TRICK you! Or maybe it was Satan...?

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

Wha...? Genesis, Hesiod, and Ovid do not discuss evolution. Ovid's work is called Metamorphosis, and that's what it's about. That's not the same as evolution.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

You believe the literal truth of a worldwide flood and Noah's ark? First, where did all that water come from, and where did it go? Oh, I guess that God conjured it up and then took it away, huh? But I'm kind of feeling that it's pointless to try to debate you about the finer points since you're obviously nuts...

 

[Bruce Daniels]

The Bible is the only trusted source of information that there is. That is the reason why God had certain people to document everything in the past. Like the word Jasher. It means the Righteous. So God has appointed righteous people to record certain events during their life time and had them to preserve these records. Because he knew that the devil will try to change history.

"The Bible is the only trusted source of information that there is." Thanks for letting me know just where you stand. You're an idiot.

 

[Bruce Daniels]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

Actually, there's some evidence that what happened is that at the end of the last Ice Age, as sea levels rose, a flood from the Mediterranean broke into the Black Sea and in a short time inundated the area around it, which may have been preserved not only as the Biblical story of the Flood, but also by Mesopotamian myths.

Black Sea deluge hypothesis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Flood myth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Newtonian]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

A meteorite would also trigger a tsunami. That's true.

Or a comet. The vast amount of water flooding the earth in 40 days could not have been from the water cycle alone. Comets can bring vast amounts of water. Also, a meteorite could have disturbed the rotation of waters rotating around the earth left over from the accretion of earth's waters from space.

LIkewise, no normal catastrophe would have caused a -150 F wind chill in Siberia The disruption of orbit and falling of these belts of water (or ice as in Saturn's rings) could have brought down super-cooled water (liquid water actually below the freezing point) in Siberia.

 

[Newtonian]

The Bible is the only trusted source of information that there is. That is the reason why God had certain people to document everything in the past. Like the word Jasher. It means the Righteous. So God has appointed righteous people to record certain events during their life time and had them to preserve these records. Because he knew that the devil will try to change history.

"The Bible is the only trusted source of information that there is." Thanks for letting me know just where you stand. You're an idiot.

I think I understand what Aletheia4u meant, but I also understand why you reacted that way. The Bible is the only infallible source of information but there are many relatively, albeit fallible, sources of information.

One example is the Biblical account of the flood. There are hundreds of flood legends in the world, but only the Biblical account has no mythical elements in it and can be harmonized with scientific evidence.

Our literature is also fallible. Like in the body of scientific literature, our older literature is out of date. This is because of good research coupled with the humility to change one's beliefs when the evidence from such research demands it.

So, for example, our website must have some errors - but can you find any errors there?

www.jw.org

 

[Newtonian]

Evolution is the satanic lie creating a distance between you and God. Stop to sin, repent and come back to God, otherwise it will be too late

Yes, and God put fossils in the earth to TRICK you! Or maybe it was Satan...?

Actually, the rocks don't lie. Evolutionist's sometimes lie but usually they are misled or mistaken.

An example is the early earth atmosphere at the time of the origin of life. Chemical evolutionists for many decades (I graduated high school class of '64) asserted earth had an atmosphere of primarily Methane (CH4), Ammonia (NH3), Hydrogen (H2) and water (H2O). Their evidence was circular reasoning: since the building blocks of life (e.g. amino acids) required such an atmosphere to be synthesized, that must have been the atmosphere.

But the rocks don't lie. What they wouldn't tell you - and most still don't tell you - is that the vast carbonate deposits in earth's crust, estimated according to Britannica as containing over 64 million petagrams of carbon) deposited by the geologic carbon cycle, prove early earth's atmosphere was primarily carbon dioxide (CO2).

Evolutionists also will not tell you that Oxygen is the most abundant element in earth's crust and that the very fact that the minerals in earth's crust are oxidized proves there was at least a little free Oxygen in the atmosphere otherwise these minerals could not have been oxidized. And the reason they won't tell you this is that an atmosphere with even a little Oxygen would have ended their many postulated chemical reaction pathways to amino acids and nucleic acids.

And the list of their lies and deceptions cannot be fit into one post.

One more example: In the current search for earthlike planets, you will see broadcasts that tout that planets having liquid water are more likely to have evolved life. This is a half-truth. Water is essential for the survival of life. However, chemical evolution cannot take place in the presence of water because water reacts chemically with many of the molecules (e.g. HCN) in chemical pathways to life.

How many evolutionists will tell you the truth about this?

However, it is only a half-lie. Planets with liquid water could have life - but, like on earth, such life could not have come about by chance or by chemical evolution.

Btw - fossils confirm the sudden appearance of kinds of life - the Cambrian explosion is an example.

 

[Hollie]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

What if Elephants are the modern day Woolly Mammoth that migrated to warmer areas when the Ice Age began, unable to survive in the colder regions without much vegetation, and Humans hunted those that remained. A Mammoth would require a large amount of caloric energy to survive, could have survived in the less extreme temperatures in a deciduous subtropical environment.

Warmer climate, more water vapor in the air, more precipitation. Also, there are things known as Storegga Slides, could have been glacier and mountain melt dislodged by an earthquake or a volcanic eruption, which would trigger massive amount of steam and ice melt under a glacier that would build up as reservoirs.

Gentle - I see you are a good thinker and researcher. I love doing research myself. So, though we may (at least at first) reach different conclusions, I think reasonable discussion between us will be of benefit to both of us. I know for me that I have learned from you already - I had never heard of Storegga Slides:

Storegga slides | Submarine Landslides, Norwegian Sea

Storegga slides, series of submarine landslides in the Norwegian Sea that occurred between approximately 8,400 and 2,200 years ago. The combined activities of these landslides produced a scar on the seafloor that begins some 100 km (60 miles) off Norway’s More Coast on the edge of Europe’s

www.britannica.com

The Britannica article presents variant theories and dates - such as between 50,000 and 6,000 years ago (no dating method is stated). Maybe these were during the Noachian flood which would certainly have caused earthquakes and tsunamis in the process summarized here:

Psalms 104:5-9
He has established the earth on its foundations;+
It will not be moved from its place* forever and ever.+
6 You covered it with deep waters as with a garment.+
The waters stood above the mountains.
7 At your rebuke they fled;+
At the sound of your thunder they ran away in panic
8 —Mountains ascended+ and valleys descended—
To the place you established for them.
9 You set a boundary that they should not pass,+
That they should never again cover the earth.

The Biblical account thus describes earth in upheaval with mountains ascending and ocean trenches descending violently, likely mostly in one year. Like the actual observations reported by Britannica, the Scriptures can also be interpreted in different ways - but normally only one way is truly accurate.

There are other observations that point to a global flood, not just a local flood. Three for starters>:

1. Continental Shelves. A careful observation of continental shelves seem to show the old coastlines of continents - many rivers extend as underwater riverbeds as an example. This is true globally.

2. The universal flood legends I already posted one list of from our Bible dictionary.

3. The arctic permafrost. Millions of mammoths and other animals are found frozen in the arctic permafrost. Some are whole and with almost no decay indicating quick freezing in about 30 minutes which for such a massive animal would mean a wind-chill of c. -150 degrees F - colder than anywhere on earth now. This permafrost was permanent since that catastrophe until the present global warming.

Note: The Genesis account of the flood shows it began about October 31 (Halloween not likely by coincidence) and lasted 40 days until about December 10th. The latter date is close to the Northern Hemisphere winter solstice. Thus we would expect the frozen remains to be only in the Northern hemisphere polar to northern temperate areas. And, indeed, there is no such massive permafrost containing millions of animals in the southern hemisphere.

Can you provide the supportable evidence where any of the Bibles provides the precise date delineating the beginning or ending of the flood? I'm surprised that no one in Noah's immediate family thought to write down the date. What year did the global flood occur? We're told by other religious supernaturalists that the flood happened just a few thousand years ago yet neither the Chinese nor the Maya provide any indication of that event.

That would be valuable to know as there is no evidence for a global flood a few thousand years ago.

 

[Newtonian]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

What if Elephants are the modern day Woolly Mammoth that migrated to warmer areas when the Ice Age began, unable to survive in the colder regions without much vegetation, and Humans hunted those that remained. A Mammoth would require a large amount of caloric energy to survive, could have survived in the less extreme temperatures in a deciduous subtropical environment.

Warmer climate, more water vapor in the air, more precipitation. Also, there are things known as Storegga Slides, could have been glacier and mountain melt dislodged by an earthquake or a volcanic eruption, which would trigger massive amount of steam and ice melt under a glacier that would build up as reservoirs.

Gentle - I see you are a good thinker and researcher. I love doing research myself. So, though we may (at least at first) reach different conclusions, I think reasonable discussion between us will be of benefit to both of us. I know for me that I have learned from you already - I had never heard of Storegga Slides:

Storegga slides | Submarine Landslides, Norwegian Sea

Storegga slides, series of submarine landslides in the Norwegian Sea that occurred between approximately 8,400 and 2,200 years ago. The combined activities of these landslides produced a scar on the seafloor that begins some 100 km (60 miles) off Norway’s More Coast on the edge of Europe’s

www.britannica.com

The Britannica article presents variant theories and dates - such as between 50,000 and 6,000 years ago (no dating method is stated). Maybe these were during the Noachian flood which would certainly have caused earthquakes and tsunamis in the process summarized here:

Psalms 104:5-9
He has established the earth on its foundations;+
It will not be moved from its place* forever and ever.+
6 You covered it with deep waters as with a garment.+
The waters stood above the mountains.
7 At your rebuke they fled;+
At the sound of your thunder they ran away in panic
8 —Mountains ascended+ and valleys descended—
To the place you established for them.
9 You set a boundary that they should not pass,+
That they should never again cover the earth.

The Biblical account thus describes earth in upheaval with mountains ascending and ocean trenches descending violently, likely mostly in one year. Like the actual observations reported by Britannica, the Scriptures can also be interpreted in different ways - but normally only one way is truly accurate.

There are other observations that point to a global flood, not just a local flood. Three for starters>:

1. Continental Shelves. A careful observation of continental shelves seem to show the old coastlines of continents - many rivers extend as underwater riverbeds as an example. This is true globally.

2. The universal flood legends I already posted one list of from our Bible dictionary.

3. The arctic permafrost. Millions of mammoths and other animals are found frozen in the arctic permafrost. Some are whole and with almost no decay indicating quick freezing in about 30 minutes which for such a massive animal would mean a wind-chill of c. -150 degrees F - colder than anywhere on earth now. This permafrost was permanent since that catastrophe until the present global warming.

Note: The Genesis account of the flood shows it began about October 31 (Halloween not likely by coincidence) and lasted 40 days until about December 10th. The latter date is close to the Northern Hemisphere winter solstice. Thus we would expect the frozen remains to be only in the Northern hemisphere polar to northern temperate areas. And, indeed, there is no such massive permafrost containing millions of animals in the southern hemisphere.

Can you provide the supportable evidence where any of the Bibles provides the precise date delineating the beginning or ending of the flood? I'm surprised that no one in Noah's immediate family thought to write down the date. What year did the global flood occur? We're told by other religious supernaturalists that the flood happened just a few thousand years ago yet neither the Chinese nor the Maya provide any indication of that event.

That would be valuable to know as there is no evidence for a global flood a few thousand years ago.

Good morning Hollie - how are you?

I already posted evidence - can you respond to what I posted? Meanwhile - how long ago do you think the millions of mammoths and other animals found in the arctic permafrost were quick-frozen and the climate change was permanent until the current global warming?

On the exact date - what is the oldest origin of the date for Halloween? Would you believe it is linked to the flood legends I posted a list of?

 

[Hollie]

Evolution is the satanic lie creating a distance between you and God. Stop to sin, repent and come back to God, otherwise it will be too late

Yes, and God put fossils in the earth to TRICK you! Or maybe it was Satan...?

Actually, the rocks don't lie. Evolutionist's sometimes lie but usually they are misled or mistaken.

An example is the early earth atmosphere at the time of the origin of life. Chemical evolutionists for many decades (I graduated high school class of '64) asserted earth had an atmosphere of primarily Methane (CH4), Ammonia (NH3), Hydrogen (H2) and water (H2O). Their evidence was circular reasoning: since the building blocks of life (e.g. amino acids) required such an atmosphere to be synthesized, that must have been the atmosphere.

But the rocks don't lie. What they wouldn't tell you - and most still don't tell you - is that the vast carbonate deposits in earth's crust, estimated according to Britannica as containing over 64 million petagrams of carbon) deposited by the geologic carbon cycle, prove early earth's atmosphere was primarily carbon dioxide (CO2).

Evolutionists also will not tell you that Oxygen is the most abundant element in earth's crust and that the very fact that the minerals in earth's crust are oxidized proves there was at least a little free Oxygen in the atmosphere otherwise these minerals could not have been oxidized. And the reason they won't tell you this is that an atmosphere with even a little Oxygen would have ended their many postulated chemical reaction pathways to amino acids and nucleic acids.

And the list of their lies and deceptions cannot be fit into one post.

One more example: In the current search for earthlike planets, you will see broadcasts that tout that planets having liquid water are more likely to have evolved life. This is a half-truth. Water is essential for the survival of life. However, chemical evolution cannot take place in the presence of water because water reacts chemically with many of the molecules (e.g. HCN) in chemical pathways to life.

How many evolutionists will tell you the truth about this?

However, it is only a half-lie. Planets with liquid water could have life - but, like on earth, such life could not have come about by chance or by chemical evolution.

Btw - fossils confirm the sudden appearance of kinds of life - the Cambrian explosion is an example.

I've noticed that religionist supernaturalists sometimes lie and sometimes purposely try to mislead. Citing unsupported examples of claims from evilutionist atheists dating back 50 years as representative of a learning process of science is misleading.

Similarly, it's misleading to use "sudden appearance" of fossils in the Cambrian without some context. That context is "sudden" in geologic terms, millions of years. Also, how does a global flood just a few thousand years ago account for the fossil record dating back millions of years, a planet billions of years old and the diversity of life on the planet currently?

How many religionist supernaturalists will be honest about this?

 

[Newtonian]

You all - I already posted that evolutionists fail to mention that water destroys chemical reaction pathways to amino acids. This is linked to another deception, namely the failure to note that the primary chemical reaction product in the famous Miller-Urey experiment was formic acid, as well as the fact that most of the amino acids Miller synthesized are not used in proteins, and that only Alanine and Glycine were synthesized in a significant product proportion.

Specifically, these hydrolysis (reactions with water) reactions include:

1. HCN to Cyanogen (C2N2) + H2O yields cyanoformamide (C2H2N2O) + H2O yields ethanediamide (C2H4N2O2)

2. HCN to dicyanamide (C2N3) + H2O yields cyanourea (C2H3N3O) + H2O yields Biuret (C2H5N3O2 )

3. HCN to Cyanamide (CH2N2) + H2O yields Urea (CO(NH2)2 = CH4N2O = NH2CONH2)

4. HCN to Cyanamide (CH2N2) + H2O yields carbodiimide (RN=C=NR.) + H2O yields Urea

[Note: The carbodiimide dicyclohexylcarbodiimide (C13H22N2 ) is used in peptide synthesis,"]

5. HCN + H2O yields formamide (CH3NO) + H2O yields formic acid (HCOOH = CH₂O₂)

6. HCN + H2O yields formamidine (CH4N2 ) + H2O yields formic acid (HCOOH = CH2O2)

7. HCN to Cyanoacetylene (C3HN) + H2O yields Cyanoacetaldehide (C3H3NO).

Do any of you know of any chemical evolutionists who reveal any of these 7 chemical reactions?

 

[Hollie]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

What if Elephants are the modern day Woolly Mammoth that migrated to warmer areas when the Ice Age began, unable to survive in the colder regions without much vegetation, and Humans hunted those that remained. A Mammoth would require a large amount of caloric energy to survive, could have survived in the less extreme temperatures in a deciduous subtropical environment.

Warmer climate, more water vapor in the air, more precipitation. Also, there are things known as Storegga Slides, could have been glacier and mountain melt dislodged by an earthquake or a volcanic eruption, which would trigger massive amount of steam and ice melt under a glacier that would build up as reservoirs.

Gentle - I see you are a good thinker and researcher. I love doing research myself. So, though we may (at least at first) reach different conclusions, I think reasonable discussion between us will be of benefit to both of us. I know for me that I have learned from you already - I had never heard of Storegga Slides:

Storegga slides | Submarine Landslides, Norwegian Sea

Storegga slides, series of submarine landslides in the Norwegian Sea that occurred between approximately 8,400 and 2,200 years ago. The combined activities of these landslides produced a scar on the seafloor that begins some 100 km (60 miles) off Norway’s More Coast on the edge of Europe’s

www.britannica.com

The Britannica article presents variant theories and dates - such as between 50,000 and 6,000 years ago (no dating method is stated). Maybe these were during the Noachian flood which would certainly have caused earthquakes and tsunamis in the process summarized here:

Psalms 104:5-9
He has established the earth on its foundations;+
It will not be moved from its place* forever and ever.+
6 You covered it with deep waters as with a garment.+
The waters stood above the mountains.
7 At your rebuke they fled;+
At the sound of your thunder they ran away in panic
8 —Mountains ascended+ and valleys descended—
To the place you established for them.
9 You set a boundary that they should not pass,+
That they should never again cover the earth.

The Biblical account thus describes earth in upheaval with mountains ascending and ocean trenches descending violently, likely mostly in one year. Like the actual observations reported by Britannica, the Scriptures can also be interpreted in different ways - but normally only one way is truly accurate.

There are other observations that point to a global flood, not just a local flood. Three for starters>:

1. Continental Shelves. A careful observation of continental shelves seem to show the old coastlines of continents - many rivers extend as underwater riverbeds as an example. This is true globally.

2. The universal flood legends I already posted one list of from our Bible dictionary.

3. The arctic permafrost. Millions of mammoths and other animals are found frozen in the arctic permafrost. Some are whole and with almost no decay indicating quick freezing in about 30 minutes which for such a massive animal would mean a wind-chill of c. -150 degrees F - colder than anywhere on earth now. This permafrost was permanent since that catastrophe until the present global warming.

Note: The Genesis account of the flood shows it began about October 31 (Halloween not likely by coincidence) and lasted 40 days until about December 10th. The latter date is close to the Northern Hemisphere winter solstice. Thus we would expect the frozen remains to be only in the Northern hemisphere polar to northern temperate areas. And, indeed, there is no such massive permafrost containing millions of animals in the southern hemisphere.

Can you provide the supportable evidence where any of the Bibles provides the precise date delineating the beginning or ending of the flood? I'm surprised that no one in Noah's immediate family thought to write down the date. What year did the global flood occur? We're told by other religious supernaturalists that the flood happened just a few thousand years ago yet neither the Chinese nor the Maya provide any indication of that event.

That would be valuable to know as there is no evidence for a global flood a few thousand years ago.

Good morning Hollie - how are you?

I already posted evidence - can you respond to what I posted? Meanwhile - how long ago do you think the millions of mammoths and other animals found in the arctic permafrost were quick-frozen and the climate change was permanent until the current global warming?

On the exact date - what is the oldest origin of the date for Halloween? Would you believe it is linked to the flood legends I posted a list of?

Good, morning. Your recent post was the first I saw citing a precise date for the beginning and end of a claimed global flood. Can you identify those dates appearing in any of the Bibles? As Noah didn't write down the date of the flood, (a rather glaring oops in terms of the god's ("oh, I changed my mind"), I was curious where those dates came from.

There are reliable dates that identify the existence of Mammoth as recently as 10,000 years ago.

39000 Years Old Frozen Woolly Mammoth found in Siberia, goes on display in Tokyo | ARCHAEOLOGY WORLD

After 39,000 years, a baby wooly mammoth is making her public debut. The prehistoric creature, nicknamed Yuka, is being put on public display in Japan, after being shipped from her home in Siberia, Russia.

archaeology-world.com

That would tend to clash with the notion of a global flood a few thousand years ago and a 6,000 year old planet. Are the chemical evilutionist atheists committing another lie?

 

[Hollie]

All, there is research being done by chemical evilutionist atheists to search for answers surrounding the emergence of life on the planet.

NASA Astrobiology

Computing the Origin of Life The mystery of life's origins could one day be solved thanks to that modern antithesis of life — the computer.

astrobiology.nasa.gov

Can anyone cite peer reviewed research being done by any of the creation ministries? We're given links to creationist literature that suggests life on the planet could not have come about by biological means but by supernatural means. How does anyone support the means and mechanisms of supernaturalism?

 

[Gantlemagne]

All, there is research being done by chemical evilutionist atheists to search for answers surrounding the emergence of life on the planet.

NASA Astrobiology

Computing the Origin of Life The mystery of life's origins could one day be solved thanks to that modern antithesis of life — the computer.

astrobiology.nasa.gov

Can anyone cite peer reviewed research being done by any of the creation ministries? We're given links to creationist literature that suggests life on the planet could not have come about by biological means but by supernatural means. How does anyone support the means and mechanisms of supernaturalism?

From the posting on How Can We Prepare for the Magnetic Shift and Climate Change, appears about 20,000 years ago a massive warming up took place culminating in a point about to 6,000 years ago.

You know what, there's so much conflicting information, contrasting information looking at CO2 in the air... and charts on sea levels, I'm going to guestimate that the time frame the ice started to gradually melt about 10,000 years ago and from what happened to Doggerland, the time frame of a massive melt and flood would be about 6,500 years ago.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

.
there are no records for the flood establishing the religion of antiquity there were no survivors to pass down the lore. than the lineage not found guilty - of evil.

unless you are claiming that lineage was everywhere to be found - and would agree to establishing the correct accounting of the episode that presently does not exist. for your records to be correct if for that flood.

Horseshit. The surface of the earth was not covered in water. All life was not extinguished.

Horseshit. The surface of the earth was not covered in water. All life was not extinguished.

.
do you ever read posts you reply to.

there were no survivors, people - was the point of the episode but those that adhered to the religion of antiquity - obviously not yours.

that would be all beings, the religion of antiquity not just "2 of each kind" on a boat.

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

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One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

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there are no records for the flood establishing the religion of antiquity there were no survivors to pass down the lore. than the lineage not found guilty - of evil.

unless you are claiming that lineage was everywhere to be found - and would agree to establishing the correct accounting of the episode that presently does not exist. for your records to be correct if for that flood.

The table of nations in Genesis chapter 10 and then the scattering of all the languages in Genesis chapter 11 point to all present nations migrating from a common location in the middle east. The common origin of virtually all religions from ancient Babylon is another evidence of this. Many primary doctrines are the same in virtually all false religions - for example:

1. The immortality of the human soul.
2. The sanctification of war.
3. The use of the cross.
4 Trinities of gods and images of these gods.

These are all false doctrines not contained in the Bible and not originally believed by the Jews.

The common origin of virtually all religions from ancient Babylon is another evidence

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really, the religions ... conquest and conquer played no role, surly - at any rate if you insist the Almighty would kill all living beings for the sake of those that deserved the punishment - take that to your grave is fine with me.

the proper accounting will someday win out or that of the desert religions will remain - for an inglorious ending.

 

[Hollie]

All, there is research being done by chemical evilutionist atheists to search for answers surrounding the emergence of life on the planet.

NASA Astrobiology

Computing the Origin of Life The mystery of life's origins could one day be solved thanks to that modern antithesis of life — the computer.

astrobiology.nasa.gov

Can anyone cite peer reviewed research being done by any of the creation ministries? We're given links to creationist literature that suggests life on the planet could not have come about by biological means but by supernatural means. How does anyone support the means and mechanisms of supernaturalism?

From the posting on How Can We Prepare for the Magnetic Shift and Climate Change, appears about 20,000 years ago a massive warming up took place culminating in a point about to 6,000 years ago.

You know what, there's so much conflicting information, contrasting information looking at CO2 in the air... and charts on sea levels, I'm going to guestimate that the time frame the ice started to gradually melt about 10,000 years ago and from what happened to Doggerland, the time frame of a massive melt and flood would be about 6,500 years ago.

The last Ice Age ended about 11,700 years ago according to the referenced source. This is consistent with many other sources.

I suspect the results of the glacier retreat and melt from the last Ice Age would have been the stuff of tales and folklore for thousands of years after.

Pleistocene epoch: The last ice age

The Pleistocene featured ice age giants and the arrival of modern humans.

www.livescience.com

 

[Gantlemagne]

Well, considering Humankind is a part of Universal Evolution, and Humans are lying, I suppose in a way the title of this thread could be interpreted in that way, that Humans. But there are plenty of ancient scriptures, including the Book of Genesis that discuss evolution. One great text on this topic, besides Hesiod's Works and Days, and Ovid's Metamorphosis, is the Corpus Hermeticum, Chapter X specifically.

But, I have an evolutionary traits, besides hair and eye color; where I can manipulate and generate magnetic fields to vibrate water, and atoms, telekenesis and utilize telepathy.

To clarify - Genesis teaches micro-evolution not macro-evolution.

Speciation within a Biblical kind help us understand how all kinds of land animals survived the Noachian flood on Noah's ark. Commenting on post flood speciation of the kinds of animals on the ark, our Bible dictionary notes:

Ark — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

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"The “kinds” of animals selected had reference to the clear-cut and unalterable boundaries or limits set by the Creator, within which boundaries creatures are capable of breeding “according to their kinds.” It has been estimated by some that the hundreds of thousands of species of animals today could be reduced to a comparatively few family “kinds”—the horse kind and the cow kind, to mention but two. The breeding boundaries according to “kind” established by Jehovah were not and could not be crossed. With this in mind some investigators have said that, had there been as few as 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles in the ark, they could have produced the variety of species known today. Others have been more liberal in estimating that 72 “kinds” of quadrupeds and less than 200 bird “kinds” were all that were required. That the great variety of animal life known today could have come from inbreeding within so few “kinds” following the Flood is proved by the endless variety of humankind—short, tall, fat, thin, with countless variations in the color of hair, eyes, and skin—all of whom sprang from the one family of Noah."

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

"It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind” of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds” of mammals, 74 “kinds” of birds, and 10 “kinds” of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. The ark had about 40,000 cu m (1,400,000 cu ft) of usable space—ample for the passenger list"

Bottom line, we believe the ball park estimate of 150-600 kinds of animals on Noah's ark have evolved by micro-evolution into as many as 1 million species. For example, there are many cat species - but likely only 1 kind. Probably only 2 cats on Noah's ark.

On your off topic tangent - if you have a fever and wear a hat you will increase the vibration of atoms in that hat - its called heat.

Here's the thing though. Noah's family was probably just in an area, such as the Persian Gulf or Red Sea that was previously not water as the Glaciers began to melt at the end of the last Ice Age. The high chance that species and people survived the Glacial melt is how so many animals survived the flooding waters from the ice melting. Stories such as the Emperor Yao and the Walum Olum of the Delaware show that many survived the floods, but that the floods lasted for a couple generations; and the Hindu Indian legend matches the Algonquin legend by the Indian scripture mentioning the World upon Turtle's Back that saved people during the flood, and the Algonquin name for the North Atlantic Island being called Turtle Island or Hahnunah.

Places such as Doggerland, are other pieces of evidence that those lands may have flooded quickly by the number of land animal fossils found there, and Human remains have been found there also.

I would have to agree that Noah's family was just in an area!

It makes sense that the elephant kind survived the flood while the mammoths went extinct since Mammoths did not live in that area so elephants but not mammoths were on the ark.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

Flood of Noah’s Day — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

This is an authorized Web site of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It is a research tool for publications in various languages produced by Jehovah’s Witnesses.

wol.jw.org

One of the many in the chart:

Bolivia - Chiriguano
Destruction by Water
Divine Cause
Warning Given
Humans Spared
Preserved in a Vessel

Bolivia is not a coastal country btw.

Flood legends are not just from one area though - see the charts here:

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there are no records for the flood establishing the religion of antiquity there were no survivors to pass down the lore. than the lineage not found guilty - of evil.

unless you are claiming that lineage was everywhere to be found - and would agree to establishing the correct accounting of the episode that presently does not exist. for your records to be correct if for that flood.

Horseshit. The surface of the earth was not covered in water. All life was not extinguished.

Horseshit. The surface of the earth was not covered in water. All life was not extinguished.

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do you ever read posts you reply to.

there were no survivors, people - was the point of the episode but those that adhered to the religion of antiquity - obviously not yours.

that would be all beings, the religion of antiquity not just "2 of each kind" on a boat.

Is your handlename a reference to Brezilwood? And Jean Cousin?