to what culture do you allude?
Episcopal Church refuses to resettle white Afrikaners, ends partnership with US government
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Zincwarrior
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See post #97. I don't know what culture Oddball is referring to, or what country he resides in.
Seymour Flops
Diamond Member
Did Trump end processing visas for entry into the U.S. by nonwhite people?
Maybe he did, I'm asking if that's what you mean by "cut off all minorities."
when did "nonwhite" become a synonym for "minority"?
Seymour Flops
Diamond Member
Did Trump end processing visas for entry into the U.S. by minorities?
BackAgain
Neutronium Member & truth speaker #StopBrandon
So what?
I am not sure taxpayers are paying to get them here.
So what? Lots of our immigrants come here with no prior connection to our republic.
Zincwarrior
Diamond Member
Then why kick them (Ukrainians, Venezuelans etc) out that are already here? The Ukrainians came here legally.
BackAgain
Neutronium Member & truth speaker #StopBrandon
If we did kick Ukrainians out — which you haven’t supported — that wouldn’t say shit about paying to get the South Africans here.
Did you miss your meds?
Zincwarrior
Diamond Member
Trump is trying to kick them out.
Winston
Platinum Member
Yes, Apartheid ended years ago, but the unfair distribution of
wealth still exist. As I have noted in this thread. the Native Land Act of 1913 restricted land ownership of the black majority to less than seven percent of total land, and prevented them from owning the very best farmland.
It is hard to argue these white farmers are being oppressed, especially in light of the huge amount of land they do own compared to the black majority. I would argue that white minority landownership, especially on land that is not producing, is oppressive to the black majority, it keeps them in poverty.
Finally, the number of white farmers being killed is grossly exaggerated.
Using those numbers, and knowing there are three million Afrikaners in South Africa, we get a murder rate for this population at about 1.6 for every hundred thousand. The murder rate in Rhode Island is lower, in Iowa, about the same, but the murder rate is higher in every other state, in Mike Johnson's Louisiana, it is ten times higher.
List of U.S. states by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
So, this land grab is justified by events of over a century ago? All the land transfers since then are null and void because of hte skin color of the people involved?
Interesting legal reasoning.
The amount of land they own, in no way means that a govenrment can't oppress them.
That you would pretend it does, is beyond the pale.
YOu might as well just say, they can't be oppressed becasue they are white. Your reasoning would be no less insane.
Finally, the number of white farmers being killed is grossly exaggerated.
Using those numbers, and knowing there are three million Afrikaners in South Africa, we get a murder rate for this population at about 1.6 for every hundred thousand. The murder rate in Rhode Island is lower, in Iowa, about the same, but the murder rate is higher in every other state, in Mike Johnson's Louisiana, it is ten times higher.
List of U.S. states by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia
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Would you care, if the number of whites being murdered was much higher? Or would that be "understandable" because of "racism"?
pknopp
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Seymour Flops
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So, no.
Winston
Platinum Member
Not all the events happened over a century ago. Apartheid ended 30 years ago. And the claims of oppression and land confiscation have been widely disputed.
“This is a fictitious story that the American president is telling himself,” Landau said. “It has very little to do with South Africa’s empirical realities and everything to do with Trump positioning himself as a savior of white privilege and Christianity globally.”
Landau noted that while white South Africans face challenges like all citizens—such as crime and unemployment—they remain among the most economically privileged groups in the country.
Afrikaner oppression in South Africa is a 'fictitious story' - Professor Loren Landau - South Africa Today
Reports indicate that the first group of white South Africans, primarily Afrikaners, is set to arrive in the United States this week under a resettlement
southafricatoday.net
I mean this should be easy. Point to one case, just one, of an Afrikaner's land being confiscated without an offer of compensation. Find one government policy, one law, even one court ruling, that demonstrates the oppression of the Afrikaners. That oppression one is going to be difficult.
And no, I don't want more Afrikaners murdered by blacks. But when the country as a whole has a murder rate of 45.53, and the rate among White Afrikaner farmers is 1.6, not seeing a huge problem here. I am willing to bet more female Afrikaners are murdered by their drunk ass abusive husband than those husbands being murdered by blacks.
MarathonMike
Diamond Member
Episcopal Church refuses to resettle white Afrikaners, ends partnership with US government
In a striking move that ends a nearly four-decades-old relationship between the federal government and the Episcopal Church, the denomination announced on Monday (May 12) that it is terminating its partnership with the government to resettle refugees, citing moral opposition to resettling white Afrikaners from South Africa who have been classified as refugees by President Donald Trump’s administration.
In a letter sent to members of the church, the Most Rev. Sean W. Rowe — the presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church — said that two weeks ago the government “informed Episcopal Migration Ministries that under the terms of our federal grant, we are expected to resettle white Afrikaners from South Africa whom the U.S. government has classified as refugees.”
The request, Rowe said, crossed a moral line for the Episcopal Church, which is part of the global Anglican Communion that boasts among its leaders the late Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a celebrated and vocal opponent of apartheid in South Africa.
Commentary:
Hmm..., Whatever happened to Separation of Church and State?
The wolves among the sheep are showing themselves.
When I began reading the announcement, I thought it was another Babylon Bee satire: “Episcopal Church refuses to resettle refugees because they’re white.”
Interesting that the ‘relationship between the Episcopal Church and the federal government was close during Obama and Biden’s terms. No so with DJT. This explains it all.
Episcopal Church Bishop Mariann Budde "a valued and trusted pastor" admonished President Trump is also in agreement with this decision.
There is nothing reverend or pious about deciding the plight of 'White Afrikaner' refugees fleeing genocidal tyranny.
Apartheid seems to be alive and well under black rule in South Africa.
Ramaposa and the ANC is changing South Africa into Zimbabwe.
Read more:
Cyril Ramaphosa signs expropriation bill in South Africa
Some parties in the coalition government are considering going to court to challenge the law.www.bbc.com
"Religious" NGOs have operated for years as the Democrat's underground railroad for MILLIONS of illegals from 150 different countries. Now all of a sudden one of them "takes a stand" against a handful of VETTED South African immigrants because they happen to be White. WOW start taxing the Episcopal Church, they just declared themselves a political organization.
Winston
Platinum Member
Bullshit on the NGO's. But go ahead and piss on the grave of the founder's while burning that Constitution. I mean the right is always claiming, our government was founded on Christain Right Principles. While the vast majority of the founder's were deist, God sets it and forgets it, almost three out of four were laymen of an Episcopal church, including Thomas Jefferson.
And I got to wonder, what will the Episcopal church do with the NATIONAL Cathedral.
Not all the events happened over a century ago. Apartheid ended 30 years ago. And the claims of oppression and land confiscation have been widely disputed.
“This is a fictitious story that the American president is telling himself,” Landau said. “It has very little to do with South Africa’s empirical realities and everything to do with Trump positioning himself as a savior of white privilege and Christianity globally.”
Landau noted that while white South Africans face challenges like all citizens—such as crime and unemployment—they remain among the most economically privileged groups in the country.
Afrikaner oppression in South Africa is a 'fictitious story' - Professor Loren Landau - South Africa Today
Reports indicate that the first group of white South Africans, primarily Afrikaners, is set to arrive in the United States this week under a resettlement
I mean this should be easy. Point to one case, just one, of an Afrikaner's land being confiscated without an offer of compensation. Find one government policy, one law, even one court ruling, that demonstrates the oppression of the Afrikaners. That oppression one is going to be difficult.
And no, I don't want more Afrikaners murdered by blacks. But when the country as a whole has a murder rate of 45.53, and the rate among White Afrikaner farmers is 1.6, not seeing a huge problem here. I am willing to bet more female Afrikaners are murdered by their drunk ass abusive husband than those husbands being murdered by blacks.
Every mention of government policy from decades ago, let alone the myth of "White Privilege", is just you revealing that you are deeply hostile to these people, for reasons you refuse to be honest about.
THe more you push back against them being allowed here, when we had an open border for the 4 years of biden without a peep from the left,
ever word you say, convinces me more than ALL the white south africans have a valid claim to refugee status and I would be fine with ALL of them moving here.
Winston
Platinum Member
How the hell do you see that? I mean that runs to a level of delusional that borders on mentally ill. I have asked, a single example of an Afrikaner losing their land, a single inherent example of codified oppression against Afrikaners by the government, or the Constitution.
I mean if anything, this single debacle as exposed just how screwed up the world has become thanks to social media and rampantly biased new sources. But hey, you know, I am willing to roll with it.
Go ahead, send them all down here to Western North Carolina. Buy up the land from some of those wiped out by Helene. Give each working men among those Afrikaner's 40 acres, and hell yeah, throw in a mule, and a nice Jersey cow. No structures, you might hook them up with some chainsaws and tools. Let's sit back and watch.
Becasue these individuals are not responsible for any past government policies yet you keep citing past government policies to justify their current oppression.
That's you using group responsibility of their WHITE RACE, to justify the violation of their property and political rights.
MarathonMike
Diamond Member
You should educated yourself before being revealed as an uninformed fool. It is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that churches and other humanitarian NGOs operate as a major transportation and support network for illegal immigrants. Now run along and do some reading.
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