Zincwarrior
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Who cares. Not the US. Not North America. Not Central America. Not South America.
The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms
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Did you hear that white guy that the south african government brought to meet Trump?
He tried to put a positive spin on the lives of him and his family...
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but, it sounded like horrific racist oppression, at least, and really it sounded more like white genocide than not.
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You merely parrot racist lies.
What credible evidence do you have of a "white guy that the south african government brought to meet Trump"? Do you also swallow Trump's raciest lie that Black immigrants are eating pet cats and dogs in Ohio?
There is a genocide of white farmers in South Africa.
This conspiracy theory has been propagated by some fringe groups of white South Africans since the end of apartheid in 1994. It has been circulating in global far-right chat rooms for at least a decade, with the vocal support of Trump's ally, South African-born Elon Musk...
South African police recorded 26,232 murders nationwide in 2024, of which 44 were linked to farming communities. Of those, eight of the victims were farmers.
Data collected by white farmers themselves also does not support the notion of a genocide. Afrikaner farmers' union TLU-SA has counted 1,363 white farmers murdered since 1990, or an average of 40 a year - far less than 1% of total murders...
Please read the Reuters account that comports with other credible reportage concerning the matter.Trump is lying to you. His White supremacist followers like his lies.
It was in the meeting at the white house. I saw the guy speak, trying to spin his life and the lives of his family as "ok", but it sounded like a horror show.
Are you denyhing this? If I bother to find and post the transcript and prove it, will you admit that the whites are real refugees, not like the ******* mexicans?
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I'll give you a second chance:
What credible evidence do you have that a "white guy that the south african government brought to meet Trump" was not telling the truth - as is supported by the empirical data?
What has Trump done about his Black immigrants eating pet cats and dogs in Ohio?
Even Trump's prepared propaganda was laughably amateurish:Trump held up a printed sheet of paper with a picture of people lifting body bags and said,
"These are all white farmers that are being buried!"
The image actually showed humanitarian workers burying bodies in the city of Goma in Democratic Republic of Congo."These are all white farmers that are being buried!"
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I never said he was lying. I said he was trying to put a postive spin on a horror show.
Oh, wait, you were shit talking.
You went and found it, and realized that I was telling the truth, so you activated your "play silly games" protocol.
I ask again, if I bother to post the transcripts, will you admit that your side is wrong on this issue, and that these whites are real refugees, not like the ******* mexicans?
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So, your blather aside, you have no evidence to challenge the truth of the man's statement that is corroborated by impartial observers and empirical data?
In my experience-----which is VAST because I IS OLD----white Afrikanners have been fleeing for the past more than 50 years-----especially professionals who were also prosperous over there. There was already social disorder back then. ---- The history of that country is actually----not at all strange---something like a caste system-----similar to the one brought to the Americas by the Brits and Spanish and to the Levant and Southeast Asia by the Muslims
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There is an unacceptable level of violence in South Africa, the vast majority of victims still being Black.
White supremacists are being fed calculated lies. That does nothing to address the problem.
As I stated ---I is old---I spent lots of my working years in inner city emergency rooms and saw lots
of victims of violence----lots were blacks and because of my particular training I saw lots with bullets
in their heads. So what does that tell you? White farmers are being attacked in the Congo? I didn't know
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It is irrefutable that Trump falsely claimed that the picture taken in Goma in the Congo in February depicts racial genocide in South Africa.
It is no more credible than his braying that Black immigrants are eating pet cats and dogs in Ohio.
His White supremacist followers like his lies.
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Have you ever encountered people who fled South Africa in the past 50 years? Have you
ever encountered Haitians? Did Trump actually use the word "GENOCIDE"? I absolutely
agree that Trump has a problem (a strange form of dysphasia) His utterances are OVER THE
TOP --but he does express a "grain of reality" White farmers in South Africa are losing their
lands and OTHER whites of various professions are facing some difficulties on a racial basis.
As to Haitians----well-----believe it or not---VOODOO is a "thing" and does involve a bit of
animal ritual (doesn't bother me but some people are very fastidious about cats, dogs and---
sheep) I have never met an AFRICANER who came to the USA destitute. Trump is a MONEY
MAN----he is reluctant to accept the TEEMING REFUSE during what he perceives as a difficult
economy
who is persecuting "palestinians" ? Qatar tried to help them---but, clearlyFAILED.
They managed to let Hamas exploit and waste the wealth handed them by Qatar?
Do you believe that "palestinians" have some kind of attachment to GAZA? The root
of the problem that the arabs of Gaza face is MUSLIM IMPERIALISM (can be read as
COLONIALISM)
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The facts are that Trump lied about South Africa, and about Springfield, Ohio, in both instances targeting Black people.
Attempts to rationalize such lies are futile.
what were the lies?
The whites predated the blacks by over 60 years. The law you reference prevented the WHITES who already owned the land, from selling it to blacks.For decades, the Native Land Act of 1913 blocked Black South Africans from purchasing or renting land in designated regions.
The Natives Land Act of 1913
The history of White colonial land dispossession did not begin with the passing of the Native Land Act in 1913, it spans back to the expansion of Dutch colonial settlements in the Cape.Introduction The history of White colonial land dispossession did not begin with the passing of the Native Land...www.sahistory.org.za
This is how whites got the land. And they enforced this by beatings, murders, and massacres. So then nobody wants to hear or read whites whining about white Afrikaners and some fake oppression. These people are the criminals Trump said he opposed when his punk --- talked about immigrants. So like I said, Trump is the apex race hustler, and he was elected because there are whites who are still hardcore racists. The ones lying about how such racism is a thing of the past and the racists of today.
DURRRRRR
Land ownership is and has been a topic for thousands of years. My question ---if anyone can answer---
when did Land ownership become a concept in South Africa? When did it become a possession by
BUYING IT?
whitehall
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Is it OK to use "historical reality" to justify the massacre of people who have a 200 year old claim to farms and property? How did taxpayer funded PBS get to be an expert on African genocide?
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