elektra
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Today the white democrats are oppressing the whites, unless you are talking about black politicians
The democrat party is oppressing white men specifically
The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms
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The democrat party is oppressing white men specifically
elektra
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"I am two", is a moron. Historically? If we go back 19 years or 119 years, does not reflect what is historic.
Back in the day land ownership was determined by spears and tribal war. If we are to say historic.
People from Africa can thank England for the idea that they can own land as an individual.
Back in the day land ownership was determined by spears and tribal war. If we are to say historic.
People from Africa can thank England for the idea that they can own land as an individual.
Polishprince
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Which is why the south africans will be a good addition to US. They will see the same game here as they saw there and should be immune to the idiocy of the left.
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Zimbabwe used to be the breadbasket of Africa. Now it relies on feeding programs. The same will happen in South Africa.
Polishprince
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It isn't due to the race of the leadership in Zimbabwe, but instead their racism.
A number of former Zimbabwean Honky farmers have migrated to the Tremendous Nation of Zambia and black Zambian officials couldn't be happier.
America would do well to bring in Honky Farmers from South Africa, if we want to make American agriculture great again.
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Many went to Russia where they were given farmland.
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Given the latest political move by this administration to make Afrikaners refugees, it is time to look at the policy that has been used to make claims about the oppression of Afrikaners. Afrikaners aren't being oppressed in South Africa. This has been a long-standing untruth told by Afrikaners or Africaans orgnizations trying to re-establish white minority rule, as well as American white supremacists. But here is an article that describes the rationale for land confiscation.
The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms
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There's an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country's white minority. On Truth Social yesterday, the president criticized what he called the terrible treatment of longtime farmers in the country and offered them a rapid pathway to U.S. citizenship.
And in February, Mr. Trump signed an executive order halting almost all foreign aid to South Africa because of what it called racially discriminatory property confiscation. Ali Rogin spoke earlier with John Eligon. He's the Johannesburg bureau chief for the New York Times.
- Ali Rogin:
John, thank you so much for being with us. First of all, tell us about this new land policy.
John Eligon, The New York Times:
So essentially what the government has done is they've passed a law that allows the government to take land without providing compensation to the people they take it from.
Basically, the justification that the South African government gives for this is that we know through the long history of apartheid in South Africa that black people were essentially robbed of their land. So, they are really looking at ways to sort of make right some of the inequalities that happen during apartheid.
Daniel Magaziner, Professor, Yale University:
Historically, in fact, farmers have been quite oppressed in South Africa, but those are black farmers. Those are the people whose land was alienated over centuries of colonization and who in many cases worked as really poorly remunerated menial laborers in horrific conditions on white owned farms.
And so in many ways, what he's doing is he is implicitly, not explicitly, but implicitly downplaying the reality of South African history.
The historical reality of land ownership in South Africa amid Trump’s criticisms
There’s an escalating dispute between President Trump and South Africa over a new land policy that he says discriminates against the country’s white minority. On Truth Social Friday, Trump criticized what he called the “terrible” treatment of farmers and offered them a “rapid pathway” to U.S...www.pbs.org
The reality of any land ownership is that until a codified set of property laws is created who possessed the land is meaningless because the "law of conquest" applies before said property laws exist.
Polishprince
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America needs to get on the bandwagon here. The USA needs fantastic farmers, just like the Russian Federation.
Zincwarrior
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No. Farmers from another country are a dime a dozen.
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Trump's racist lies about South Africa are as credible as his raging that Black immigrants are eating their neighbors cats and dogs ion Springfield, OH.He knows his lies will wee-wee up his White supremacists.
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Liberals have this fantasy that whoever is on land, owns the land forever. Race after race, century after century , one displaced the other. But the White Man somehow created a unique and vile displacement. It’s all coloring book fantasy. Now it’s a function of law which naturally lib loons disregard but for 250 years and centuries in Europe, legal title creates recorded and documented lawful land ownership
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The south african government complained that the whites escaped being held to account for "historical privilege".
That's some serious oppression.
You support that oppression, because they are white. YOu are racist.
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Trump's racist lies aside, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC) that was authorized by Nelson Mandela and chaired by Desmond Tutu, invited witnesses who were identified as victims of gross human rights violations to give statements about their experiences. Perpetrators of violence could also give testimony and request amnesty from both civil and criminal prosecution.
Despite Trump's racist lies, there is no genocide in South Africa. South Africa is not Netanyahu's Gaza.
"White farmers are being brutally killed and
their land is being confiscated in South Africa!"
Lies are lies, even if you like them.
The official definition of genocide, written in 1948 following negotiations led by the United Nations, is killing, causing bodily harm, preventing births, or forcing the transferral of children "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."
The definition includes no guidance on absolute numbers or percentages required to qualify as genocide.
There are many arguments about the definition of genocide, said Richard Breitman, an American University distinguished professor emeritus and author of books about the Holocaust.
"But many specialists regard the intent to destroy an entire ethnic, religious, or national group as essential," Breitman said. "It is not strictly a matter of numbers of victims, but of an organized effort, usually by a government or a political organization, to target a large percentage of a defined enemy group."
Experts rejected the "genocide" characterization of Afrikaners.
"There is no indication of a state-sponsored campaign or intent to eliminate a specific racial group," Kaziboni said. "The primary motive remains robbery, sometimes coupled with extreme violence, consistent with broader patterns of violent crime in South Africa."
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ONe can debate whether the racist oppression the whites in south africa rise to the level of genocide YET, or not,
but it is certainly racist oppression, with massive violations of rights, and a rising issue of race based murder.
That you want to dismiss that, and leave those people there, because they are white, is you being racist.
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Despite Trump's racist lies that White supremacists eagerly swallow, there is no more racial genocide in South Africa than there are Black immigrants eating pet cats and dogs in Springfield, OH.
and its relations with China, could have played some part in Mr. Trump's decision to embrace the controversial amnesty program for Afrikaners, but he believes there's more to it.
"In South Africa, right-wing groups, so-called civil society groups, we know that they have access to the Trump administration because they claim that. And just over the last few days, they have, several times, they said that they will speak to the American government, as if they have access to them. And if you listen to what Trump has said, it corresponds exactly with the genocide narrative that they sell and that they market," Croucamp said. "So, I'm afraid I have to believe them when they say they have direct access to the Trump administration, and we see what Trump has been doing."...
White farmers have been murdered in South Africa. But those murders account for less than 1% of more than 27,000 annual murders nationwide. Experts said the deaths do not amount to genocide, and Trump misleads about land confiscation.
Fact-checking Trump's claims of white farmer 'genocide' in South Africa
White farmers have been murdered in South Africa, but those murders account for such a small percentage of the country's total and do not amount to genocide, experts say.
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