Episcopal Church refuses to resettle white Afrikaners, ends partnership with US government

[Correll]

Seriously, well let's contrast this Afrikaner population with Trump's favorite scapegoat, Venezuela. I am interested to see the demographics of these Afrikaners. But what we know now about the Venezuelan refugee population.

Venezuelan Immigrants in the United States

Venezuelans comprise one of the fastest-growing immigrant groups in the United States, nearly tripling in size from 2010 to 2021. Much of this migration has been fueled by crisis in Venezuela, where political unrest and economic strife have caused millions to flee since 2015, most remaining in...

www.migrationpolicy.org

Compared to all U.S. immigrants, Venezuelans are far more likely to have a college degree and less likely to be naturalized citizens—the latter an unsurprising development given the recency of their arrival. They are also more likely to secure legal permanent residence (also known as getting a green card) after being granted humanitarian protection.

Venezuelan immigrants tend to be younger than the overall foreign-born population but older than the U.S. born. Their median age in 2021 was about 41 years old, compared to 47 for all immigrants and 37 for the native born. Venezuelan immigrants were more likely than the native- and overall foreign-born populations to be of working age (18 to 64 years old

Venezuelan adults have higher rates of educational attainment than both the native- and overall foreign-born populations. In 2021, approximately 57 percent of Venezuelan immigrants ages 25 and older reported having a bachelor’s degree or higher, compared to 35 percent of U.S.-born and 34 percent of immigrant adults. The share of Venezuelan immigrants with a college degree is even higher among those who arrived between 2017 and 2021: 62 percent.

Venezuelans participate in the labor force at much higher rates than the native born and overall foreign-born population. About 74 percent of Venezuelan immigrants ages 16 and older were in the civilian labor force in 2021, compared to 66 percent and 62 percent for the foreign- and U.S.-born populations, respectively. Venezuelans were more likely to be employed in sales and office occupations than other workers

Venezuelans are more likely to be covered by private health insurance and less likely to be covered by public insurance than all immigrants and the U.S. born. The share who were uninsured (17 percent) is slightly lower than that of all immigrants

Educated, more so than native born Americans, working age, more likely than the native population, labor participation rate, highest of all immigrants and most all of them have higher labor participation rates than native born Americans. Hell, they are even more likely to have private health insurance than native born Americans.

These are the very qualities that have been presented as justifying these Afrikaners. Difference, seven million Venezuelans have fled the country in the last decade. How many Afrikaners have fled South Africa, how many even want to? Furthermore, many of those Venezuelans passed through the Dorian Gap, ON FOOT, while the Afrikaners sailed in on a private jet paid for by the American taxpayer.

o...k, so you've made the case that venezuelans, specifically are less of a burden on our social services than other third world immigrants....

I still don't see why that means that blacks or hispanics would be offended by the south africian refugees.

 

[Winston]

o...k, so you've made the case that venezuelans, specifically are less of a burden on our social services than other third world immigrants....

I still don't see why that means that blacks or hispanics would be offended by the south africian refugees.

Thank you about the Venezuelans, I was surprised, but then I thought about it. There are a lot in Academia, and all the NASCAR drivers here have horse ranches, mostly ran and staffed by Venezuelan cowboys.

So, you are a native born American citizen born to illegal immigrants, maybe you grew up right here where I am at. You latched on to the masonry program at the High School. Not a bad idea, we have produced some national champions. Then you graduate, get an apprenticeship, become a journeyman bricklayer while also competing. You build a solid reputation.

Your dream job opens up. Running the masonry crew of a commercial builder, one who builds commercial buildings, warehouses, offices, retail shopping centers. I mean crazy money. You are the best qualified candidate, and you actually get the job. You get your "green card", after years of work, years of sacrifice, family tragedy, horrendous flashbacks of the horror of the transit. And then, boom, you show up for your yearly review, get slapped in handcuffs and sent to a notorious El Salvadorian prison.

Meanwhile, some Afrikaner flies in on a private jet, swoops in and takes your job, with little to no experience running anything other than his family's small little farm.

 

[irosie91]

o...k, so you've made the case that venezuelans, specifically are less of a burden on our social services than other third world immigrants....

I still don't see why that means that blacks or hispanics would be offended by the south africian refugees.

Thank you about the Venezuelans, I was surprised, but then I thought about it. There are a lot in Academia, and all the NASCAR drivers here have horse ranches, mostly ran and staffed by Venezuelan cowboys.

So, you are a native born American citizen born to illegal immigrants, maybe you grew up right here where I am at. You latched on to the masonry program at the High School. Not a bad idea, we have produced some national champions. Then you graduate, get an apprenticeship, become a journeyman bricklayer while also competing. You build a solid reputation.

Your dream job opens up. Running the masonry crew of a commercial builder, one who builds commercial buildings, warehouses, offices, retail shopping centers. I mean crazy money. You are the best qualified candidate, and you actually get the job. You get your "green card", after years of work, years of sacrifice, family tragedy, horrendous flashbacks of the horror of the transit. And then, boom, you show up for your yearly review, get slapped in handcuffs and sent to a notorious El Salvadorian prison.

Meanwhile, some Afrikaner flies in on a private jet, swoops in and takes your job, with little to no experience running anything other than his family's small little farm.

people have been fleeing South Africa for decades. I have encountered several. All were educated
professionals----not small time farmers. Some owned land. Lots of descendants of the original
colonial settlers in North Amerca, today OWN LOTS OF LAND ---and got very wealthy thereby----
think George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams --et al. It's those sort of people
in actual danger in South Africa today----simply landowners from way back

 

[Winston]

people have been fleeing South Africa for decades. I have encountered several. All were educated
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colonial settlers in North Amerca, today OWN LOTS OF LAND ---and got very wealthy thereby----
think George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams --et al. It's those sort of people
in actual danger in South Africa today----simply landowners from way back

Yes, some have been fleeing, but nothing like the numbers from Venezuela. And you are actually right, both the Venezuelan and Afrikaner refugees have been from the same dynamic. Wealthy, educated, fleeing the repercussions of the oppressive policies that protected their inherited wealth.

And throw Winston in that list along with Washington and Adams. Dad's parents, hundreds of acres of some of the finest farm land in the world supplemented by what Grandpa took at the poker table. Mom's family, well now we are talking about thousands of acres that have been in the family since before the American Revolution, land grant, in the Granville territory.

Anyway, all that land got divided up as each generation passed. Eventually Dad got his portion, worked if for a while. Leasing out Mom's land for grazing, sharecropping on his land. But before he died, he liquidated it all, at good prices, financed it and took the interest as well. Mom can never spend all that money, she don't even touch the earnings.

 

[irosie91]

Yes, some have been fleeing, but nothing like the numbers from Venezuela. And you are actually right, both the Venezuelan and Afrikaner refugees have been from the same dynamic. Wealthy, educated, fleeing the repercussions of the oppressive policies that protected their inherited wealth.

And throw Winston in that list along with Washington and Adams. Dad's parents, hundreds of acres of some of the finest farm land in the world supplemented by what Grandpa took at the poker table. Mom's family, well now we are talking about thousands of acres that have been in the family since before the American Revolution, land grant, in the Granville territory.

Anyway, all that land got divided up as each generation passed. Eventually Dad got his portion, worked if for a while. Leasing out Mom's land for grazing, sharecropping on his land. But before he died, he liquidated it all, at good prices, financed it and took the interest as well. Mom can never spend all that money, she don't even touch the earnings.

inherited wealth---ALL OVER THE WORLD----gross forced confiscation does not work

 

[Correll]

Thank you about the Venezuelans, I was surprised, but then I thought about it. There are a lot in Academia, and all the NASCAR drivers here have horse ranches, mostly ran and staffed by Venezuelan cowboys.

So, you are a native born American citizen born to illegal immigrants, maybe you grew up right here where I am at. You latched on to the masonry program at the High School. Not a bad idea, we have produced some national champions. Then you graduate, get an apprenticeship, become a journeyman bricklayer while also competing. You build a solid reputation.

Your dream job opens up. Running the masonry crew of a commercial builder, one who builds commercial buildings, warehouses, offices, retail shopping centers. I mean crazy money. You are the best qualified candidate, and you actually get the job. You get your "green card", after years of work, years of sacrifice, family tragedy, horrendous flashbacks of the horror of the transit. And then, boom, you show up for your yearly review, get slapped in handcuffs and sent to a notorious El Salvadorian prison.

Meanwhile, some Afrikaner flies in on a private jet, swoops in and takes your job, with little to no experience running anything other than his family's small little farm.

YOu probably should have thought of that, before you allowed 30 million hispanic illegals, to move here, on top of the tens of millions of LEGAL immigratants, over the last 40 years.


I mean, you're just playing dumb right? YOur realize that your character in your story, doesn't exist in a vacuum, he's part of a massive wave of invaders that have long, long LONG since utterly exceeded our famour American generosity, and now is being treated like the invader he is, and not like a "refugee".


Meanwhile the 54 refugees from South Africa, who are part of a wave of 54 people, are judged differently, because they are... wait for it, DIFFERENT and seperate from the massive invasion taking place from the south of the country.


And again, your assumption that black and hispanic voters, will care about the handful of white refugees that is coming over, you still have done nothing to explain your assumption.

You seem to be assuming that your anti-white racism is some sort of universial, that all people have it.

 

[Correll]

Yes, some have been fleeing, but nothing like the numbers from Venezuela. And you are actually right, both the Venezuelan and Afrikaner refugees have been from the same dynamic. Wealthy, educated, fleeing the repercussions of the oppressive policies that protected their inherited wealth.

And throw Winston in that list along with Washington and Adams. Dad's parents, hundreds of acres of some of the finest farm land in the world supplemented by what Grandpa took at the poker table. Mom's family, well now we are talking about thousands of acres that have been in the family since before the American Revolution, land grant, in the Granville territory.

Anyway, all that land got divided up as each generation passed. Eventually Dad got his portion, worked if for a while. Leasing out Mom's land for grazing, sharecropping on his land. But before he died, he liquidated it all, at good prices, financed it and took the interest as well. Mom can never spend all that money, she don't even touch the earnings.

Calling the oppressing the current generation is facing, "repercussions" doesn't change the fact that it is a form of oppression.

They are being robbed and murdered based on the color of their skin.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Refugees were cut off by Trump...we are not talking asylum seekers crossing at the border, legal refugees....12000 of them who had been approved, gotten their shots, medical exams and completed and cleared all refugee paperwork.

The trump admin was sued for stopping their LEGAL ENTRY, and this past week, a Judge ruled the admin MUST accept them as the legal refugees they were....and let them in.

Those refugees were approved during the failed Biden administration. It's not clear that Biden even knew.

 

[Winston]

YOu probably should have thought of that, before you allowed 30 million hispanic illegals, to move here, on top of the tens of millions of LEGAL immigratants, over the last 40 years.


I mean, you're just playing dumb right? YOur realize that your character in your story, doesn't exist in a vacuum, he's part of a massive wave of invaders that have long, long LONG since utterly exceeded our famour American generosity, and now is being treated like the invader he is, and not like a "refugee".


Meanwhile the 54 refugees from South Africa, who are part of a wave of 54 people, are judged differently, because they are... wait for it, DIFFERENT and seperate from the massive invasion taking place from the south of the country.


And again, your assumption that black and hispanic voters, will care about the handful of white refugees that is coming over, you still have done nothing to explain your assumption.

You seem to be assuming that your anti-white racism is some sort of universial, that all people have it.

Throwing that ridiculously inflated 30 million number around reveals what a flippin loon you are. Then you go with that invader shit just to double down on stupid. What's next, replacement theory?

But you are right. Them Afrikaners are judged differently, because, yeah, they are different. THEY ARE FLIPPIN WHITE.

 

[Correll]

Throwing that ridiculously inflated 30 million number around reveals what a flippin loon you are. Then you go with that invader shit just to double down on stupid. What's next, replacement theory?

But you are right. Them Afrikaners are judged differently, because, yeah, they are different. THEY ARE FLIPPIN WHITE.

You want to pretend that it's 11 million, a number that was soft when it was first floated like 20 years ago?

DENIED. 30 million is a lot more likely and useful number.


LIke I said, a group of 30,000,000 invaders is judged differently than a group of 54 refugees.


That you have a problem with that, is you being an anti-white racist.

 

[Winston]

You want to pretend that it's 11 million, a number that was soft when it was first floated like 20 years ago?

DENIED. 30 million is a lot more likely and useful number.


LIke I said, a group of 30,000,000 invaders is judged differently than a group of 54 refugees.


That you have a problem with that, is you being an anti-white racist.

Do you realize what you are saying. I mean it has been your last two posts. The Afrikaners are being treated differently, because they are different. The group of Afrikaners is being judged differently, based on their membership in a "group".

I mean here is a thought, we treat each INDIVIDUAL application for refugee status INDIVIDUALY, not based on what group they are in or what differences they may have.

 

[Correll]

Do you realize what you are saying. I mean it has been your last two posts. The Afrikaners are being treated differently, because they are different. The group of Afrikaners is being judged differently, based on their membership in a "group".

I mean here is a thought, we treat each INDIVIDUAL application for refugee status INDIVIDUALY, not based on what group they are in or what differences they may have.

No. The massive wave of immigration from the south, from latin America, is a massive problem that deserves, no, NEEDS to be addressed and dealt with.


The 30,000,000 illegals, vastly third worlders and vastly from mexico or though mexico is a massive problem, and that problem needs to be discussed and addressed.

You whining because each of those 30,000,000 individuals need to have their individuality respected, is... bullshit.

What about the tens of millions of AMERICAN INDIVIDUALS who's interests and lives are negatively impacted by that massive demographic of third worlders who are here, competing with them for jobs and sometimes fucking KILLING them?


Why do you never worry about THEIR needs or concerns?

 

[Winston]

No. The massive wave of immigration from the south, from latin America, is a massive problem that deserves, no, NEEDS to be addressed and dealt with.


The 30,000,000 illegals, vastly third worlders and vastly from mexico or though mexico is a massive problem, and that problem needs to be discussed and addressed.

You whining because each of those 30,000,000 individuals need to have their individuality respected, is... bullshit.

What about the tens of millions of AMERICAN INDIVIDUALS who's interests and lives are negatively impacted by that massive demographic of third worlders who are here, competing with them for jobs and sometimes fucking KILLING them?


Why do you never worry about THEIR needs or concerns?

I appreciate your continued rebuttals. Problem is, you are dealing with bad information. Like that 30 million number. That would put the illegal population at almost ten percent, just not possible. The accepted number is 3.3%.

From the numbers I see, immigration from the South is down during the Biden administration, it is up from every other area of the world. And most of all, the claim that American lives are negatively impacted, by both legal and illegal immigrants, just doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Almost every economist will argue that they bring a net positive.

All this is is a diversion. At the same time all this attention is being focused on those Afrikaners the Trump Administration is arguing before the SCOTUS about birthright citizenship.

 

[Correll]

I appreciate your continued rebuttals. Problem is, you are dealing with bad information. Like that 30 million number. That would put the illegal population at almost ten percent, just not possible. The accepted number is 3.3%.

From the numbers I see, immigration from the South is down during the Biden administration, it is up from every other area of the world. And most of all, the claim that American lives are negatively impacted, by both legal and illegal immigrants, just doesn't stand up under scrutiny. Almost every economist will argue that they bring a net positive.

All this is is a diversion. At the same time all this attention is being focused on those Afrikaners the Trump Administration is arguing before the SCOTUS about birthright citizenship.

You are the one dealing with bad and old numbers. It is certainly possible for the illegal population to be 30 million. We have a large land border with the Third World and every fucking one of them knows that their lives would be better if they walk north.

The economists that claim the illegals, or the legals for that matter are GOOD for Americans are full of shit. THey can go fuck themselves.

Having this country flooded with cheap third world labor, benefits EMPLOYERS, not WORKERS.

Not to mention the crime and violence. Or hell, just the damage to our society and culture as it is... overwhelmed.