Zone1 Embryos and Personhood

[cnm]

It's about LIFE beginning in an embryonic stage - and that is globally recognized by the international scientific community as - WEEK 8
And not some sperm entering an egg.

One can talk about life beginning at any stage for that matter. For instance one can talk about life beginning in the fetal stage.

Both are somewhat irrelevant to a discussion of personhood.

Which one would have thought entailed citizenship and stuff like that.

When Does a Human Life Begin? 17 Timepoints - DNA Science

I rerun this most-read post about when human life begins every time that the discussion resurges, which is usually in the shadow…

dnascience.plos.org

 

[cnm]

Again... What you guys are really arguing for is that the child has zero rights and is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner. That's messed up.

The argument is more that a bunch of cells -

- isn't a child.

 

[ding]

No, you're asking women to put themselves at potential risk so you can sleep better.

No. I'd be happy if it were a misdemeanor.

 

[ding]

Much

Not really. That was the Dred Scott ruling. Really really bad.

 

[ding]

The argument is more that a bunch of cells -
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- isn't a child.

A human being in it's early stages of its human life cycle. Learn some science.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No. I'd be happy if it were a misdemeanor.

….. by dehumanizing the fetus.

Abortion is murder 190612. {post•812}
ding Jun’19 Saimyz: “It’s only people who need to dehumanize the unborn child that refer to them as a fetus.” dvng.19.06.12 dvng 190612 Saimyz00812

Or killing them it’s a misdemeanor

 

[ding]

….. by dehumanizing the fetus.

No. By reconciling justice with mercy.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No. By reconciling justice with mercy.

There’s no need for justice when a woman chooses to not take the risk of giving birth.

But you want the government to intervene on your political/religious behalf - but because you won’t win another election when the government criminalizes abortion as if the victim is a human being, you reduce the fetus to a lower life form that when they are killed it’s only a misdemeanor.

 

[ding]

There’s no need for justice when a woman chooses to not take the risk of giving birth.

But you want the government to intervene on your political/religious behalf - but because you won’t win another election when the government criminalizes abortion as if the victim is a human being, you reduce the fetus to a lower life form that when they are killed it’s only a misdemeanor.

Sure there is. Ending a human life is wrong. Evil is a gradual process and begins with idiots moving away from standards incrementally. Just as you are trying to do now.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Ending a human life is wrong.

Ending a human life as a decision by the person who must take the risk of delivering a newborn to the world is not wrong.

Satan has no hand in it.

You generalize “human life”because you are dishonest.

Dishonesty is a moral failure.

Look inside before questioning the morality of other people.

Ask yourself: Why do I repeatedly generalize that statement?

Your religious beliefs on sex and reproduction are not the standard.

 

[Coyote]

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If its just a tumor, or mass of worthless flesh going inside your body, then there doesn't need to be any maternity leave or any other maternity compensation. You're sick so take your sick and vacation days and be happy.

I didn’t say it is a tumor. Next strawman?

Now let's talk about how government funding for abortions needs to stop and any funding needs to come from charities and go-fund-me's.

SMILE

It should be covered the same as any other reproductive medical procedure.

 

[Curried Goats]

Sure there is. Ending a human life is wrong. Evil is a gradual process and begins with idiots moving away from standards incrementally. Just as you are trying to do now.

Ending a life in self defense isn't wrong, is it? Or are you a pacifist?

 

[cnm]

No. I'd be happy if it were a misdemeanor.

So, they risk a misdemeanour so you can sleep better?

 

[cnm]

A human being in it's early stages of its human life cycle.

What's its SS number?

 

[ding]

So, they risk a misdemeanour so you can sleep better?

No, so they can pay their debt and they can sleep better.

 

[ding]

What's its SS number?

Hitler asked for SS's too as he dehumanized the Jews.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

No, so they can pay their debt

What Debt? Are you every woman’s overlord Saint Ding?

 

[cnm]

Hitler asked for SS's too as he dehumanized the Jews.

You really are a ding, aren't you? As though every US citizen is not likewise dehumanised with an SS number. Unlike embryos and fetuses.

 

[ding]

You really are a ding, aren't you? As though every US citizen is not likewise dehumanised with an SS number. Unlike embryos and fetuses.

If you are trying to argue personhood, you'll lose. If you are trying to argue citizenship, you'll just look like a fool if you think that makes it ok to kill them.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

you'll just look like a fool if you think that makes it ok to kill them.

Whenever a woman terminates her own pregnancy as safely as possible there are two fully developed persons involved: herself and her doctor. And then after the unique living human organism inside her body is dead, there is no other negative or harmful or deadly impact on any other living soul or their property in the entire world.

Therefore, terminating a pregnancy in private as described above, does not require civil law and order, investigation, capture, trial and conviction, and punishment by restriction of liberty, in order to prevent the two participants mentioned above from killing innocent persons in the public at large.

To deprive any person from what they perceive to be their god given right, society must prove that their act causes harm. That’s the first principle of our justice system. Freedom unless you cause harm.

Saint Ding clams up when he cannot produce evidence of harm to the public when a woman has an abortion in the privacy of a medical clinic or in her home, using a chemically induced abortion pharmaceutical.

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