Republicans Increasingly Reveal They Barely Know Where Babies Come From

[Marener]

Do they talk about their frozen embryos or frozen babies?

Do they put their frozen embryos on their Christmas card? Or do they play favorites with their kids?

 

[Marener]

Nothing wrong with talking about morals.

Is it moral to leave your children frozen in the basement of a hospital for a decade?

 

[Papageorgio]

Republicans don’t know where babies come from and Democrats don’t know what a woman is.

America needs real leadership and less stupidity.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Do they talk about their frozen embryos or frozen babies?

That would be covered by B obviously.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Republicans Increasingly Reveal They Barely Know Where Babies Come From

The floodgates opened on Friday as every Republican got the memo that...

talkingpointsmemo.com

The floodgates opened on Friday as every Republican got the memo that they needed to be loud and proud about the party’s recently discovered support for in-vitro fertilization treatment, a common form of reproductive health care that was, apparently, not much thought about by today’s anti-abortion movement — at least until the Dobbs ruling opened a window for the Alabama Supreme Court to declare embryos “babies” earlier this month.

This month’s decision out of Alabama — which found that embryos are children and have the same rights in wrongful death suits — has stoked panic about the future of IVF treatment in Alabama and across the country post-Roe. But it has also unearthed yet another layer of how deeply Republicans do not understand how reproduction and reproductive care work.

Republicans in the House, Senate, on the campaign trail and in governor’s mansions across the U.S. have struggled to both declare support for the underlying fetal personhood ideology at the core of the Alabama ruling — that embryos have “life” and are “babies” — and, also, support for IVF in the past week, just as they’ve struggled since the Dobbs ruling to figure out what to say about its cascading, far-ranging impacts for health care, including for those patients who have had a miscarriage.

Anyone who has gone through standard fertility treatment in the modern era, or knows someone who has, has a passing understanding that when embryos are formed in a lab, some are viable and some are not viable. Further, it is normal for medical professionals to attempt to create more than one viable embryo when going through the IVF process with a patient as the creation of one viable embryo does not always guarantee successful implantation. That means that some unused viable embryos are destroyed or frozen as part of the process. It’s really expensive to freeze embryos for long periods of time and getting the treatments covered by insurance can be a total nightmare.


That’s why the Alabama ruling has already had a chilling effect in the state, as clinics pause IVF patient care until it is more clear how they can proceed without risking prosecution.

The problem is, a bunch of Republicans followed in Nikki Haley’s (mis)footsteps and seized on the rather extreme Alabama court ruling — declaring their vague agreement with the idea that embryos are “babies” — without having a firm grasp on what that means for IVF. Many of them sidestepped questions by saying they hadn’t read the ruling or the “bill” without making the seemingly more honest confession that they didn’t really know what they were talking about, at all. Then the shift began, with a wave of defensive statements about how important it is for families to have access to the treatments for growing “Beautiful Babies,” as Donald Trump put it. By Friday afternoon, Alabama lawmakers announced they’d craft legislation to protect in vitro in the state.

Yet over the weekend, Republicans continued to reveal how little they know about the procedure. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, for example, was completely tripped up by a question from CNN’s Dana Bash, who simply asked: “Are you saying that families in Texas who are using IVF, have extra embryos that are frozen, do not need to worry?”

If I were a stoolie, I would report your post for copypasta only and no user content.

Good thing for you I'm not a stoolie.

But since at least one maude has posted in the thread, and your thread is still up , I assume we're dealing with observational selection regarding mauderation of those rules anyway, so it would just be a waste of time even if I were a stoolie.

 

[Amie2345]

Oh I apologize! It's been a min since I have posted here and forgot to add my personal comment. I believe that abortion and IVF should be available to all who wish to use those services.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Oh I apologize! It's been a min since I have posted here and forgot to add my personal comment. I believe that abortion and IVF should be available to all who wish to use those services.

Oh it's alright. Clearly.

The source content checked the right boxes, apparently, so therefore exemptions from the rule have observably been decided and granted by the participating maude in the thread.

If anybody gets mauded it'll be me for saying something about it. I think they call it maude harassment or something like that now if you say anything about selective shenanigans like that. It's a dirty business, Amie.

But I ain't ascared of bullies. Been down that road before. Pft.

Alright then.

Enjoy your evening.

 

[whitehall]

Alinsky "rules for radicals" #11 "If you push a negative hard enough it will emerge as a positive". In other words, a lie will become the truth if you tell it long enough. Democrats couldn't get away with following Alinsky's rules if the mainstream media wasn't part of the conspiracy.

 

[Amie2345]

Alinsky "rules for radicals" #11 "If you push a negative hard enough it will emerge as a positive". In other words, a lie will become the truth if you tell it long enough. Democrats couldn't get away with following Alinsky's rules if the mainstream media wasn't part of the conspiracy.

oh kind of like trump's big lie? Interesting

 

[Orangecat]

I believe that abortion and IVF should be available to all who wish to use those services.

Available for purchase, that is.

 

[WelfareQueen]

Maga Troll. Laughable

Bye bye!

Is Mommy tucking you in tonight?

 

[Resnic]

Republicans Increasingly Reveal They Barely Know Where Babies Come From

The floodgates opened on Friday as every Republican got the memo that...

talkingpointsmemo.com

The floodgates opened on Friday as every Republican got the memo that they needed to be loud and proud about the party’s recently discovered support for in-vitro fertilization treatment, a common form of reproductive health care that was, apparently, not much thought about by today’s anti-abortion movement — at least until the Dobbs ruling opened a window for the Alabama Supreme Court to declare embryos “babies” earlier this month.

This month’s decision out of Alabama — which found that embryos are children and have the same rights in wrongful death suits — has stoked panic about the future of IVF treatment in Alabama and across the country post-Roe. But it has also unearthed yet another layer of how deeply Republicans do not understand how reproduction and reproductive care work.

Republicans in the House, Senate, on the campaign trail and in governor’s mansions across the U.S. have struggled to both declare support for the underlying fetal personhood ideology at the core of the Alabama ruling — that embryos have “life” and are “babies” — and, also, support for IVF in the past week, just as they’ve struggled since the Dobbs ruling to figure out what to say about its cascading, far-ranging impacts for health care, including for those patients who have had a miscarriage.

Anyone who has gone through standard fertility treatment in the modern era, or knows someone who has, has a passing understanding that when embryos are formed in a lab, some are viable and some are not viable. Further, it is normal for medical professionals to attempt to create more than one viable embryo when going through the IVF process with a patient as the creation of one viable embryo does not always guarantee successful implantation. That means that some unused viable embryos are destroyed or frozen as part of the process. It’s really expensive to freeze embryos for long periods of time and getting the treatments covered by insurance can be a total nightmare.


That’s why the Alabama ruling has already had a chilling effect in the state, as clinics pause IVF patient care until it is more clear how they can proceed without risking prosecution.

The problem is, a bunch of Republicans followed in Nikki Haley’s (mis)footsteps and seized on the rather extreme Alabama court ruling — declaring their vague agreement with the idea that embryos are “babies” — without having a firm grasp on what that means for IVF. Many of them sidestepped questions by saying they hadn’t read the ruling or the “bill” without making the seemingly more honest confession that they didn’t really know what they were talking about, at all. Then the shift began, with a wave of defensive statements about how important it is for families to have access to the treatments for growing “Beautiful Babies,” as Donald Trump put it. By Friday afternoon, Alabama lawmakers announced they’d craft legislation to protect in vitro in the state.

Yet over the weekend, Republicans continued to reveal how little they know about the procedure. Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, for example, was completely tripped up by a question from CNN’s Dana Bash, who simply asked: “Are you saying that families in Texas who are using IVF, have extra embryos that are frozen, do not need to worry?”

Time to put you on ignore.

The main page has like 4 or 5 posts from you that offer no real independent thoughts or insight. It's all just "I hate trump and republicans and here is some tiny snippet that I am wildly adding my own context to so I can spin it in a crazy direction because I am a contrarian".

You're need to hate does nothing but put more hate and anger into the world and we have too much of it right now.

 

[22lcidw]

oh kind of like trump's big lie? Interesting

We have succeeded in pushing for dignity for citizens. And then it expanded into craziness. There are lies and then there are lies. Having an infant suck on fake plastic tits on a male is sick. Sucking on a male's nipples is even sicker. Now the rights of people to live their lives without hassle and to survive is far different than what we have seen things morph into. And it was pushed fast. And the movement to more and more sick ways legitimized will continue until the end comes to our economy. I am sure you will know what comes after that. People who tell you what happens are marginalized, called haters or anything else.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

An interesting thread that raises important points. As usual discussion is limited by gop chimps being unable to debate the issue.
I dont really know what insane right wingers actually think.
Are they for IVF or against it ?

 

[lennypartiv]

An interesting thread that raises important points. As usual discussion is limited by gop chimps being unable to debate the issue.
I dont really know what insane right wingers actually think.
Are they for IVF or against it ?

We're for a moral America.

 

[Amie2345]

We're for a moral America.

If that was true would wouldn't have trump as your nominee.

 

[Amie2345]

How the Alabama IVF ruling unmasks the hypocrisy of antiabortion zealots​

Opinion: How the Alabama IVF ruling unmasks the hypocrisy of antiabortion zealots

Fetal personhood laws and IVF don't mix. Advanced fertility treatments can't be squared with the notion that embryos are people.

www.latimes.com

 

[Tommy Tainant]

We're for a moral America.

What does that even mean Lenny ?

 

[lennypartiv]

What does that even mean Lenny ?

What we had in the fifties.

 

[Curried Goats]

What we had in the fifties.

Segregation and the legal right to forcefully rape your wife? I don't think your version of morality is something most decent human beings are down with today.