Does Anybody Believe the Universities' Line About So-Called "American Imperialism' ?

[Indeependent]

The university indoctrination?! I’m 20 years out of university, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sounds like it’s your propaganda news indoctrination kicking in as you jump to name calling instead of real debate.

we are imperialistic all over the world in almost every major country. We give millions of dollars, have embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries.

Fool. That is not imperialism. You are brainwashed. Just because a country has personnel in another country (even military) doesn't make it imperialism. "embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries" is all a subject apart from imperialism.

The US having embassies is diplomacy, not imperialism. There are US troops and military bases in other countries who have requested them to be there, and are happy to have the protection that they bring. Looks like I have to repeat myself (Post # 96) over and over in this thread, since so many brainwashed people and coming here with the same brainwashing >

From Post # 96>>
1. Protection for allied countries. (ex. Japan has no military at all. US military IS the Japanese military)
2. Military training supplied to allied countries. (for their benefit)
3. Prevention of hostilities from previous wartime enemies (ex. still has bases in Germany and Japan) Pro-American post-war govts have generally welcomed the bases, as economically beneficial.
4. Financial arrangements (ex. some countries buy US military equipment)
5. Host country wished to improve diplomatic relations, so they ask for the base to be there.
6. Other countries would also have overseas bases, but they cannot afford it.

And "give millions of dollars" isn't imperialism. TAKING it is. As Mexico, China, India, Phillipines, Vietnam, Guatemala, et al TAKE from us, making the US the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today > $150+ Billion/year lost in remittances (21st century imperialism)

Yes, you are still under the influence of you university indoctrinators. And 20 years ain't squat. I was still calling the US an imperialist country (in addition to voting for Democrats) 40 years after attending college, until I finally get free of the programming in 2009, and became conservative and clear-minded.

You have issues with the basic meaning of words. That’s your issue. I see you make the same mistakes with the words socialist and communist…. Those things that I listed are diplomacy, you are correct. Do you somehow think that diplomacy is not a means to imperialism?!

If the US was Imperialistic, all of the countries where we have personnel would be referred to as US colonies.

Why’s that?

Ah! Slick Slade. I suggest you drop you're usual boring bullshit and lookup what countries were call when Imperialistic nations invaded,

 

[Slade3200]

Countries that take money from America are imperialist! Credibility with only the hillbillies isn't going to quite do it.

You sound like an Alabama native who is married to his sister/wife.

Interesting that you did not post the same in response to Donald's post.

Right. Because I'm not bigoted, like he is.

I can tell you from personal experience in my community that it is pointless to engage in a discussion with Liberals as they are insane.

Then why are you here engaging?

 

[Slade3200]

Countries that take money from America are imperialist! Credibility with only the hillbillies isn't going to quite do it.

Looks like the "hillbillies" have got you beat. TAKING MONEY is what imperialism is. What do you think the Vikings were ? Philanthropists? You're getting an education.

Why do you reply with petty name calling instead of actually making a counter argument? If you want to make somebody look stupid then do so with smart arguments. Calling them a dummy does nothing. Nobody cares

You sound like an Alabama native who is married to his sister/wife.

Interesting that you did not post the same in response to Donald's post.

I didn’t write that smart guy

Interesting that you did not post the same in response to Donald's post.

I don’t post what you highlighted in the first place. You’re quoting somebody else. Idiot

 

[Blenda]

I just saw an episode on Newsmax where a reporter was asking college students if they believe there is American imperialism. If the students answered yes (most did), they were asked to sign a petition to stop it. Quite a few signed the petition.

After signing, the students (apparently victims of heavy indoctrination) were asked to provide an example of where "American imperialism" is going on. now, or over the past 20 years. None were able to respond with a single location.

I wish I would have been that reporter. I would have asked the kids if they knew of the USA being a VICTIM of imperialism. I would have also asked them to provide a definition of "imperialism".

Here are 2 definitions >>

1.

Definition of IMPERIALISM

the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

2.

What Is Imperialism?

Imperialism is the policy or act of extending a country’s power into other territories, or gaining control over another country’s politics or economics.

www.thebalance.com

I would have loved to tell these brainwashed students that the US is the #1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today, and has been for the last 20 years, by the way 21st century imperialism is conducted (migrant remittances).

Remittance flows worldwide in 2017

Worldwide, an estimated $625 billion (USD) was sent by migrants to individuals in their home countries in 2017, a 7% increase from 2016, when the amount was $586 billion, according to economists at the World Bank. This increase follows two consecutive years of decline.

www.pewresearch.org

Yes, the brainwashed fools on the left buy into WHATEVER the left tells them to believe. Sheep are gonna sheep

 

[Slade3200]

The university indoctrination?! I’m 20 years out of university, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sounds like it’s your propaganda news indoctrination kicking in as you jump to name calling instead of real debate.

we are imperialistic all over the world in almost every major country. We give millions of dollars, have embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries.

Fool. That is not imperialism. You are brainwashed. Just because a country has personnel in another country (even military) doesn't make it imperialism. "embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries" is all a subject apart from imperialism.

The US having embassies is diplomacy, not imperialism. There are US troops and military bases in other countries who have requested them to be there, and are happy to have the protection that they bring. Looks like I have to repeat myself (Post # 96) over and over in this thread, since so many brainwashed people and coming here with the same brainwashing >

From Post # 96>>
1. Protection for allied countries. (ex. Japan has no military at all. US military IS the Japanese military)
2. Military training supplied to allied countries. (for their benefit)
3. Prevention of hostilities from previous wartime enemies (ex. still has bases in Germany and Japan) Pro-American post-war govts have generally welcomed the bases, as economically beneficial.
4. Financial arrangements (ex. some countries buy US military equipment)
5. Host country wished to improve diplomatic relations, so they ask for the base to be there.
6. Other countries would also have overseas bases, but they cannot afford it.

And "give millions of dollars" isn't imperialism. TAKING it is. As Mexico, China, India, Phillipines, Vietnam, Guatemala, et al TAKE from us, making the US the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today > $150+ Billion/year lost in remittances (21st century imperialism)

Yes, you are still under the influence of you university indoctrinators. And 20 years ain't squat. I was still calling the US an imperialist country (in addition to voting for Democrats) 40 years after attending college, until I finally get free of the programming in 2009, and became conservative and clear-minded.

You have issues with the basic meaning of words. That’s your issue. I see you make the same mistakes with the words socialist and communist…. Those things that I listed are diplomacy, you are correct. Do you somehow think that diplomacy is not a means to imperialism?!

If the US was Imperialistic, all of the countries where we have personnel would be referred to as US colonies.

Why’s that?

Ah! Slick Slade. I suggest you drop you're usual boring bullshit and lookup what countries were call when Imperialistic nations invaded,

Did you think I was claiming that we were invading other countries to take their teriritory?! What world are you in right now?

Nothing slick about asking you to explain yourself… except for the fact that you rarely do

 

[alang1216]

Some liked Saddam, some didn't but our invasion brought death to tens of thousands, ISIS, and a decade of civil war. I doubt many are thanking the US for interfering in Iraq. Except the Iranians of course, we got rid of their enemy.

But the question of the OP is about imperialism. Plundering another country in some way or another, to gain its resources, and getting them.

A very narrow definition. I'd say it is imperialism to remove a foreign government to install one more friendly to us.

Removal of government's usually occurs when the people of a nation is crying out for it. Then we oblidge them by using our power or influence to create a better situation for the oppressed wanting a better situation in life. If we benefit from it also, then everybody wins.

Alas that is not what happens in the real world, for example Mohammad Mosaddegh

It never fails to amaze me that Liberals believe White people can easily manipulate dark humans.
You Liberals are racist and too mentally disturbed to see it.

White people are no better or worse than anyone else. You Conservatives are racist and too mentally disturbed to see it.

I'm not a Conservative; I am observer.
Liberals are racists and are too mentally ill to see it.

Observers are somewhere on the conservative-liberal spectrum but are too mentally ill to see it.

 

[alang1216]

Nice edit but regardless of what his friends (who profited from his crime) think, the law says he is a criminal.

You can deflect and run away from the subject matter of this thread all you like, with little bank robber analogies, but you cannot correctly say that 2021 America is imperialist, no matter what happened in the past.

You're trying to say that, and you are simply wrong.

You can define imperialism any way you want but the truth is that the US (like most countries) will use what power and influence it has to promote what is in its interests. During the Cold War, that was confronting Communism and it got us involved in Korea and Vietnam. Earlier in this century it was Muslim extremism and it got us into Afghanistan and Iraq. The short of it is that we use our power to get other countries to do what WE want them to do. We have invaded countries and overthrown governments we don't like and no honest person can say we won't do it again.

 

[Indeependent]

Some liked Saddam, some didn't but our invasion brought death to tens of thousands, ISIS, and a decade of civil war. I doubt many are thanking the US for interfering in Iraq. Except the Iranians of course, we got rid of their enemy.

But the question of the OP is about imperialism. Plundering another country in some way or another, to gain its resources, and getting them.

A very narrow definition. I'd say it is imperialism to remove a foreign government to install one more friendly to us.

Removal of government's usually occurs when the people of a nation is crying out for it. Then we oblidge them by using our power or influence to create a better situation for the oppressed wanting a better situation in life. If we benefit from it also, then everybody wins.

Alas that is not what happens in the real world, for example Mohammad Mosaddegh

It never fails to amaze me that Liberals believe White people can easily manipulate dark humans.
You Liberals are racist and too mentally disturbed to see it.

White people are no better or worse than anyone else. You Conservatives are racist and too mentally disturbed to see it.

I'm not a Conservative; I am observer.
Liberals are racists and are too mentally ill to see it.

Observers are somewhere on the conservative-liberal spectrum but are too mentally ill to see it.

Weak response.
A year ago you were actually on the edge of reality.

 

[protectionist]

Who do you know of that registers to vote without producing purely verifiable ID?

Why do you ask ?

 

[protectionist]

You can define imperialism any way you want but the truth is that the US (like most countries) will use what power and influence it has to promote what is in its interests. During the Cold War, that was confronting Communism and it got us involved in Korea and Vietnam. Earlier in this century it was Muslim extremism and it got us into Afghanistan and Iraq. The short of it is that we use our power to get other countries to do what WE want them to do. We have invaded countries and overthrown governments we don't like and no honest person can say we won't do it again.

Getting into Afghanistan and Iraq was a self-defense scenario, after we had been severely attacked in the worst attack on US soil in US history, and were openly threatened with more attacks (some of which did occur afterward). Sometimes you have to go outside the borders of US territory, to defend the US (as we did in World War 2.)

NO, we do NOT use our power to get other countries to do what WE want them to do. That is FALSE, and you cannot show one country in the world where we are doing that.

"Have invaded" is PAST TENSE. "Overthrown" is past tense. Both are OFF TOPIC of this thread, which pertains to what is happening NOW. That is what the college students were asked by Newsmax, and they wrongly said that the US is an imperialist country, but like you here now, couldn't say where that is occuring.

And there's a good reason why none of you can say that. Because it ISN'T.

As for what the US will do in the future, that's OFF TOPIC too.

 

[Indeependent]

Huh ?? The main thing is verifying that someone is a US citizen, and that is done by various identification methods. All are ID's that is or should be kept on one's person, such as SS card, driver's license, voter ID, or just a plain ID issued by the DMV or state showing citizenship. One of these should be required before voting is granted.

ABSOLUTELY! NOBODY should be allowed to register/vote in America, without producing a purely verifiable proof of citizenship.

Who do you know of that registers to vote without producing purely verifiable ID?

When you get to the polls they ask for your your name and address, not proof.
Names and addresses are picked up at your local District Court where both parties pick them up and send people out to see who is on the rolls and no longer alive or living in the district.

 

[Slade3200]

Who do you know of that registers to vote without producing purely verifiable ID?

Why do you ask ?

I asked in reply to the post that I responded to

 

[protectionist]

Here I will give you a real life recent example. Keep your lid on cause I know you’re gonna be conflicted about how to respond.

Let’s look at Ukraine. How did Biden get a foreign country to fire one of their own Special Prosecutors? Explain to me how that is not imperialism, an exertion of power that we held over that country.

We had the power to do this because of the things I listed which you just tried to dismiss.

BAD diplomacy, but diplomacy nevertheless, not imperialism. And even the money that Hunter was being paid for his no show "job", was not imperialism, because the Ukrainians were doing it willingly, for their own benefit, to gain alliance with the US, as a leverage protection from Russia.

 

[Indeependent]

Who do you know of that registers to vote without producing purely verifiable ID?

Why do you ask ?

I asked in reply to the post that I responded to

I answered and you don't like the answer.
This is my last response to you on this topic, so go eat shit.

 

[protectionist]

I've accepted your new definition of 'imperialism' as being those who receive money from America.
What more needs to be said about that? LOL

So you accept it, OK...but I don't know why you call it "new". I've been posting about remittance imperialism for 25 years, and have been posting about the Vicente Fox gloats, and brags about his remittances being Mexico's #1 source of income, since 2003.

Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm

www.diggersrealm.com

 

[protectionist]

Why do you reply with petty name calling instead of actually making a counter argument? If you want to make somebody look stupid then do so with smart arguments. Calling them a dummy does nothing. Nobody cares

Where did I call somebody a "dummy" ? And I make smart arguments in all of my posts (sometimes with source links). You haven't noticed ?

 

[protectionist]

I asked in reply to the post that I responded to

Question was WHY ? Your Post # 190 did not correlate with my post (# 185) that you quoted.

 

[Indeependent]

I asked in reply to the post that I responded to

Question was WHY ?

Having an ongoing discussion with Slick Slade is like diving in quicksand.

 

[protectionist]

Having an ongoing discussion with Slick Slade is like diving in quicksand.

It definitely does seem ODD.

 

[kaz]

I just saw an episode on Newsmax where a reporter was asking college students if they believe there is American imperialism. If the students answered yes (most did), they were asked to sign a petition to stop it. Quite a few signed the petition.

After signing, the students (apparently victims of heavy indoctrination) were asked to provide an example of where "American imperialism" is going on. now, or over the past 20 years. None were able to respond with a single location.

I wish I would have been that reporter. I would have asked the kids if they knew of the USA being a VICTIM of imperialism. I would have also asked them to provide a definition of "imperialism".

Here are 2 definitions >>

1.

Definition of IMPERIALISM

the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

2.

What Is Imperialism?

Imperialism is the policy or act of extending a country’s power into other territories, or gaining control over another country’s politics or economics.

www.thebalance.com

I would have loved to tell these brainwashed students that the US is the #1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today, and has been for the last 20 years, by the way 21st century imperialism is conducted (migrant remittances).

Remittance flows worldwide in 2017

Worldwide, an estimated $625 billion (USD) was sent by migrants to individuals in their home countries in 2017, a 7% increase from 2016, when the amount was $586 billion, according to economists at the World Bank. This increase follows two consecutive years of decline.

www.pewresearch.org

It’s not a ‘lie.’

American Imperialism: Annexing the Philippines - History and Headlines

On November 2, 1900, Dr. Jacob Gould Schurman (1854-1942), President of the First Philippine Commission, stated, "Should our power by any fatality be..."

www.historyandheadlines.com

And yet you want your lily white ass to benefit from this American imperialism. Democrats always have been the racists and you still are