Does Anybody Believe the Universities' Line About So-Called "American Imperialism' ?

[protectionist]

uired, but if you left your voter registration card at home, then other forms of ID are excepted. No ID is unexceptable.

NO ID (ZERO) is acceptable in 17 states.

 

[protectionist]

The US government has always been imperialist and still is.
All we have to do is look at the long history of using military force to destroy or change regimes in other countries.
Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Russia, Syria, Iran, etc., all fit that description in the last 50 years.

Another example is how we took the British Mandate for Palestine and turned it into an illegal Zionist colony in the Mideast.

FALSE! You said "still is" Yeah "? Then show where, RIGHT NOW, the US is engaging in imperialism upon any nation. You can't, because it is not happening. "The last 50 years" is not June 2021, and Palestine is ridiculous. Palestinians have a perfectly good homeland away from Israel. It's called Jordan. Palestinians and their military front Hamas, are terrorists, who ought to be exterminated.

alang tried to make this same argument, and got shot down, and you are coming here late, and trying to do it again. Nope. Didn't fly for him. Doesn't fly any more for you. Neither one of you has shown a single example of US imperialism in 2021.

 

[protectionist]

I don't think polling stations should accept anything but voter registration cards, because they have no way of verifying anything else.
That is why I do not want some other state issued photo ID. It would not be verifiable at the polling station.

What would be verifiable is a state issued CITIZENSHIP PHOTO ID card with biometric verification backup (ex. eye retina or fingerprints) electronically scanned, derived from birth or naturalization records.

 

[protectionist]

How in the world are we not Imperialistic?

By currently, not engaging in imperialism.

Wow, the university indoctrination runs deep doesn't it ? The college students interviewed by Newsmax, said the US is imperialistic, but could not name a country where the US is currently engaging in imperialism. Same thing is happening here. Laughable, but at the same time, disturbing.

 

[protectionist]

Huh ?? The main thing is verifying that someone is a US citizen, and that is done by various identification methods. All are ID's that is or should be kept on one's person, such as SS card, driver's license, voter ID, or just a plain ID issued by the DMV or state showing citizenship. One of these should be required before voting is granted.

ABSOLUTELY! NOBODY should be allowed to register/vote in America, without producing a purely verifiable proof of citizenship.

 

[protectionist]

How could anyone not be a "liberal", since a "liberal" is one who believes in individual liberties are fundamental to government authority. There is a second definition of "liberal" meaning one who believes in a loose or wide interpretation of the constitution, as opposed to a conservative and narrow one. But I don't see how either infer racism?

The term "liberal" has had a number of definitions attributed to it, but, in America, perhaps most often is the correlation with leftist or Democrat. In that case, we see those of that ilk supporting America's # 1 racism (Affirmative Action) racially discriminating against the largest number of victims (whites) and also now critical race theory, the ideas of which are bizarre, and insane, besides being thoroughly racist.

 

[protectionist]

But the point is that at the polling station, the ONLY thing they can look up and verify is the voter registration cards.
Nothing else.
And nothing else indicates anything about citizenship.
All states give out driver's licenses to non-citizens these days.
{...
All 40 states surveyed allow noncitizens to obtain a driver's license, but in some states the criteria for noncitizen applicants exceed those for citizens. All but eight of the 40 states require noncitizens to prove that they are legally in the country. Ten issue a different type of license to noncitizens.
...}

With the computer technology of 2021, it shouldn't be hard to come up with a software that would allow election officials to look up someone's citizenship (birth or naturalization records), at a few clicks of a mouse. That then could be further verified with biometric scanning to a state or federal issued citizenship ID card.

 

[Donald H]

Yes, of course US Imperialism has been responsible for crimes against humanity throughout the world since at least the end of the nineteenth century.
Examples of today would be US foreign policy regarding China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and several other victim countries.

But on a positive note, it's now starting to be reined in by the world's other nuclear powers. America respects nothing but the M.A.D. factor and if it wasn't for that, the US would be bombing many more countries on a regular basis, to assert it's power and gain control of small countries' resources.

It's not surprising at all that American students were unable to answer the question. They would likely be unable to understand the term, 'crimes against humanity'.

*Fwiw, Canada has been involved in some of America's criminal imperailist behaviour.

 

[Slade3200]

How in the world are we not Imperialistic?

By currently, not engaging in imperialism.

Wow, the university indoctrination runs deep doesn't it ? The college students interviewed by Newsmax, said the US is imperialistic, but could not name a country where the US is currently engaging in imperialism. Same thing is happening here. Laughable, but at the same time, disturbing.

The university indoctrination?! I’m 20 years out of university, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sounds like it’s your propaganda news indoctrination kicking in as you jump to name calling instead of real debate.

we are imperialistic all over the world in almost every major country. We give millions of dollars, have embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries. We are the worlds superpower. You don’t get that way by staying in your bubble

 

[Slade3200]

Huh ?? The main thing is verifying that someone is a US citizen, and that is done by various identification methods. All are ID's that is or should be kept on one's person, such as SS card, driver's license, voter ID, or just a plain ID issued by the DMV or state showing citizenship. One of these should be required before voting is granted.

ABSOLUTELY! NOBODY should be allowed to register/vote in America, without producing a purely verifiable proof of citizenship.

Who do you know of that registers to vote without producing purely verifiable ID?

 

[protectionist]

Yes, of course US Imperialism has been responsible for crimes against humanity throughout the world since at least the end of the nineteenth century.
Examples of today would be US foreign policy regarding China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and several other victim countries.

But on a positive note, it's now starting to be reined in by the world's other nuclear powers. America respects nothing but the M.A.D. factor and if it wasn't for that, the US would be bombing many more countries on a regular basis, to assert it's power and gain control of small countries' resources.

It's not surprising at all that American students were unable to answer the question. They would likely be unable to understand the term, 'crimes against humanity'.

*Fwiw, Canada has been involved in some of America's criminal imperailist behaviour.

Now that you have made a total fool of yourself, lets see you SHOW how the US is engaging in imperialism in ANY country in the world in 2021. Just show ONE, but specifying how it is happening. How US personnel are there, and consequently, money, raw materials, or some kind of wealth is being extracted.

I see that you are new, but in this forum, you can't get away with just blabbering things. You have to back up what you say with substance.

 

[Donald H]

Yes, of course US Imperialism has been responsible for crimes against humanity throughout the world since at least the end of the nineteenth century.
Examples of today would be US foreign policy regarding China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and several other victim countries.

But on a positive note, it's now starting to be reined in by the world's other nuclear powers. America respects nothing but the M.A.D. factor and if it wasn't for that, the US would be bombing many more countries on a regular basis, to assert it's power and gain control of small countries' resources.

It's not surprising at all that American students were unable to answer the question. They would likely be unable to understand the term, 'crimes against humanity'.

*Fwiw, Canada has been involved in some of America's criminal imperailist behaviour.

Now that you have made a total fool of yourself, lets see you SHOW how the US is engaging in imperialism in ANY country in the world in 2021. Just show ONE, but specifying how it is happening. How US personnel are there, and consequently, money, raw materials, or some kind of wealth is being extracted.

I see that you are new, but in this forum, you can't get away with just blabbering things. You have to back up what you say with substance.

I don't debate the obvious facts with petulant and childish spammers. The facts are already stated in my previous statements.

 

[protectionist]

The university indoctrination?! I’m 20 years out of university, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sounds like it’s your propaganda news indoctrination kicking in as you jump to name calling instead of real debate.

we are imperialistic all over the world in almost every major country. We give millions of dollars, have embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries.

Fool. That is not imperialism. You are brainwashed. Just because a country has personnel in another country (even military) doesn't make it imperialism. "embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries" is all a subject apart from imperialism.

The US having embassies is diplomacy, not imperialism. There are US troops and military bases in other countries who have requested them to be there, and are happy to have the protection that they bring. Looks like I have to repeat myself (Post # 96) over and over in this thread, since so many brainwashed people and coming here with the same brainwashing >

From Post # 96>>
1. Protection for allied countries. (ex. Japan has no military at all. US military IS the Japanese military)
2. Military training supplied to allied countries. (for their benefit)
3. Prevention of hostilities from previous wartime enemies (ex. still has bases in Germany and Japan) Pro-American post-war govts have generally welcomed the bases, as economically beneficial.
4. Financial arrangements (ex. some countries buy US military equipment)
5. Host country wished to improve diplomatic relations, so they ask for the base to be there.
6. Other countries would also have overseas bases, but they cannot afford it.

And "give millions of dollars" isn't imperialism. TAKING it is. As Mexico, China, India, Phillipines, Vietnam, Guatemala, et al TAKE from us, making the US the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today > $150+ Billion/year lost in remittances (21st century imperialism)

Yes, you are still under the influence of your university indoctrinators. And 20 years ain't squat. I was still calling the US an imperialist country (in addition to voting for Democrats) 40 years after attending college, until I finally get free of the programming in 2009, and became conservative and clear-minded.

 

[Slade3200]

The university indoctrination?! I’m 20 years out of university, you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sounds like it’s your propaganda news indoctrination kicking in as you jump to name calling instead of real debate.

we are imperialistic all over the world in almost every major country. We give millions of dollars, have embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries.

Fool. That is not imperialism. You are brainwashed. Just because a country has personnel in another country (even military) doesn't make it imperialism. "embassies, military bases and even troops helping to fight wars and train other countries militaries" is all a subject apart from imperialism.

The US having embassies is diplomacy, not imperialism. There are US troops and military bases in other countries who have requested them to be there, and are happy to have the protection that they bring. Looks like I have to repeat myself (Post # 96) over and over in this thread, since so many brainwashed people and coming here with the same brainwashing >

From Post # 96>>
1. Protection for allied countries. (ex. Japan has no military at all. US military IS the Japanese military)
2. Military training supplied to allied countries. (for their benefit)
3. Prevention of hostilities from previous wartime enemies (ex. still has bases in Germany and Japan) Pro-American post-war govts have generally welcomed the bases, as economically beneficial.
4. Financial arrangements (ex. some countries buy US military equipment)
5. Host country wished to improve diplomatic relations, so they ask for the base to be there.
6. Other countries would also have overseas bases, but they cannot afford it.

And "give millions of dollars" isn't imperialism. TAKING it is. As Mexico, China, India, Phillipines, Vietnam, Guatemala, et al TAKE from us, making the US the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today > $150+ Billion/year lost in remittances (21st century imperialism)

Yes, you are still under the influence of you university indoctrinators. And 20 years ain't squat. I was still calling the US an imperialist country (in addition to voting for Democrats) 40 years after attending college, until I finally get free of the programming in 2009, and became conservative and clear-minded.

You have issues with the basic meaning of words. That’s your issue. I see you make the same mistakes with the words socialist and communist…. Those things that I listed are diplomacy, you are correct. Do you somehow think that diplomacy is not a means to imperialism?!

 

[protectionist]

And maybe I also have to repeat some other posters posts too. This is from Concerned American (post # 98)

"Another fact he didn't note is that the US PAYS these countries to have our bases there as is the case with why we don't have bases in the Philippines anymore--they wanted too much money. Most, if not All, US bases are in place due to mutual defense agreements as with SEATO and NATO. The Japanese have only the Japanese Self Defense Force (National Guard) by edict from their own diet after WWII."

 

[protectionist]

Those things that I listed are diplomacy, you are correct. Do you somehow think that diplomacy is not a means to imperialism?!

This thread is about imperialism, not a "means to imperialism"

1000 things could be a means to imperialism. They are not imperialism, and so far no one in this thread has shown where/how the US is currently engaged in imperialism. Not one post.

 

[Donald H]

And "give millions of dollars" isn't imperialism. TAKING it is. As Mexico, China, India, Phillipines, Vietnam, Guatemala, et al TAKE from us, making the US the # 1 VICTIM of imperialism in the world today > $150+ Billion/year lost in remittances (21st century imperialism)

Countries that take money from America are imperialist!

Credibility with only the hillbillies isn't going to quite do it.

 

[protectionist]

I don't debate the obvious facts with petulant and childish spammers. The facts are already stated in my previous statements.

HA HA. No rookie. You need to do a lot better than that. Just naming a few countries does not SHOW how imperialism is being conducted. There is nothing "obvious" here, because there is nothing here insofar as claiming the US to be currently imperialistic.

You stated NO FACTS whatsoever, and regarding "debate" you have not begun to do that yet either. Some other posters have attempted (laughably) to portray the US as imperialistic, and failed, and you haven't even offered as much as them,.

 

[protectionist]

Countries that take money from America are imperialist! Credibility with only the hillbillies isn't going to quite do it.

Looks like the "hillbillies" have got you beat. TAKING MONEY is what imperialism is. What do you think the Vikings were ? Philanthropists? You're getting an education.

 

[Donald H]

Countries that take money from America are imperialist! Credibility with only the hillbillies isn't going to quite do it.

Looks like the "hillbillies" have got you beat. TAKING MONEY is what imperialism is. What do you think the Vikings were ? Philantropists? You're getting an education.

You sound like an Alabama native who is married to his sister/wife.
But you've provided an entirely new definition for imperialism! You must be right!