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Ok, I finally have a few minutes to post, and I forgot most to the stuff I had to say.
Ravi...even if natural selection perpetuation the helpful mutations...the mutations are still absolutely 100% random. The probability of the walnut tree stumbling randomly on it's toxin are astronomical. and those probabilities must are squared with the tiger moth, he got a poison and an ultrasonic warning. All pure chance?
Code...you're examples are variation within a species. I don't deny that there is variation within a species.
That's all I remember.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.Somebody or something was....you don't have to call it God! But we did end up in this Galaxy, with this sun and with this moon, and this water, then this firmament with carbon, on earth so that life, could exist...I'd say the odds are something like one in a trillion trillion....chances....so without knowing all the information, I'd say "something" could have influenced it....this can not be ruled out...at least not yet!
Care
I don't like the "one in a trillion" chance excuse, though I don't belittle your belief, but the reasoning is this:
It's one in a trillion per solar system, there are more than a quadrillion solar systems in every galaxy, and as far as we know there are an infinite number of galaxies, so chances are (scientifically) there is life on many more planets in our own galaxy, not to mention in the whole universe even with those slim odds. Also, the one in a trillion odds are based on very old understanding of life. In reality it's more like one in a hundred per solar system and one in a billion per planet. We have learned there are many planets once thought of as uninhabitable to actually have very primitive life forms on them. Also note that the chances are for complex life forms, not just the presence of life.
i have no doubt there could be some form of life that existed somewhere else at some time, i am not even certain if we didn't for that matter.
i said one in a trillion trillion chance, not one in a trillion!
the fact still remains, that the Bible states the earth was in darkness....science says the earth was once in darkness...
the bible then says the earth was given a sun and a moon, and science says the earth was kicked in to this galaxy with the sun and moon...it explained it more as an asteroid or another nearing planet's pressence that pulled or pushed us in to it.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
the bible is not a science book and should not be thought of one imo, but there is more truth in it regarding the science of today than many give credit to....again, in my opinion.
care
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.I don't like the "one in a trillion" chance excuse, though I don't belittle your belief, but the reasoning is this:
It's one in a trillion per solar system, there are more than a quadrillion solar systems in every galaxy, and as far as we know there are an infinite number of galaxies, so chances are (scientifically) there is life on many more planets in our own galaxy, not to mention in the whole universe even with those slim odds. Also, the one in a trillion odds are based on very old understanding of life. In reality it's more like one in a hundred per solar system and one in a billion per planet. We have learned there are many planets once thought of as uninhabitable to actually have very primitive life forms on them. Also note that the chances are for complex life forms, not just the presence of life.
i have no doubt there could be some form of life that existed somewhere else at some time, i am not even certain if we didn't for that matter.
i said one in a trillion trillion chance, not one in a trillion!
the fact still remains, that the Bible states the earth was in darkness....science says the earth was once in darkness...
the bible then says the earth was given a sun and a moon, and science says the earth was kicked in to this galaxy with the sun and moon...it explained it more as an asteroid or another nearing planet's pressence that pulled or pushed us in to it.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
the bible is not a science book and should not be thought of one imo, but there is more truth in it regarding the science of today than many give credit to....again, in my opinion.
care
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.i have no doubt there could be some form of life that existed somewhere else at some time, i am not even certain if we didn't for that matter.
i said one in a trillion trillion chance, not one in a trillion!
the fact still remains, that the Bible states the earth was in darkness....science says the earth was once in darkness...
the bible then says the earth was given a sun and a moon, and science says the earth was kicked in to this galaxy with the sun and moon...it explained it more as an asteroid or another nearing planet's pressence that pulled or pushed us in to it.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
the bible is not a science book and should not be thought of one imo, but there is more truth in it regarding the science of today than many give credit to....again, in my opinion.
care
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
Maybe i didn't say it right....the earth has always been in this galaxy, but we have not always had the sun and moon in the manner we have now, with 24 hour days....and all the planets including the sun in our galaxy are the SAME AGE, one was not formed after another btw....we just were not all in the same positions we are in right now....as example Uranus is tilted on it's side now because of a planet size object hitting it....due to this, Uranus has 20 year long seasons, not 3 months as we do....
Yes, the moon was formed after a huge mass, another planet size object hit us...doesn't conflict with the Bible what so ever...
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
Maybe i didn't say it right....the earth has always been in this galaxy, but we have not always had the sun and moon in the manner we have now, with 24 hour days....and all the planets including the sun in our galaxy are the SAME AGE, one was not formed after another btw....we just were not all in the same positions we are in right now....as example Uranus is tilted on it's side now because of a planet size object hitting it....due to this, Uranus has 20 year long seasons, not 3 months as we do....
Yes, the moon was formed after a huge mass, another planet size object hit us...doesn't conflict with the Bible what so ever...
One point you made is wrong here, they are not all the same age, only the matter which makes up everything is. The form of that matter has gone through many shifts before it became the planets and stars we see now.
Maybe i didn't say it right....the earth has always been in this galaxy, but we have not always had the sun and moon in the manner we have now, with 24 hour days....and all the planets including the sun in our galaxy are the SAME AGE, one was not formed after another btw....we just were not all in the same positions we are in right now....as example Uranus is tilted on it's side now because of a planet size object hitting it....due to this, Uranus has 20 year long seasons, not 3 months as we do....
Yes, the moon was formed after a huge mass, another planet size object hit us...doesn't conflict with the Bible what so ever...
One point you made is wrong here, they are not all the same age, only the matter which makes up everything is. The form of that matter has gone through many shifts before it became the planets and stars we see now.
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no, it doesn't necessarily disagree with what you were saying...it does say that all planets are the same age, 4.5 billion years old, but as you said, the matter or gasses within them may be all the same age, big bang...all at once, but it does not dispute that the planets all evolved from the point of the big bang....shoot, we are still evolving through the expansion of the universe that some claim is happening...and if any of our galaxy's planets get hit by another big planet like object, everything can change again...like uranus spinning on a side axle...and us getting a moon from a planetary type hit etc....One point you made is wrong here, they are not all the same age, only the matter which makes up everything is. The form of that matter has gone through many shifts before it became the planets and stars we see now.
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Running flash right now is not something I can do (graphics rendering and all). However I am assuming that it's actually facts that support one of the many theories of how the planets and stars came to where they are. The problem, and why it's all still theory, is that the facts conflict with other theories which have just as many facts to support them. Also there are varying theories within these, one example is the "big bang" theory which has three versions which I know of. Currently there is no way to know for certain about how it all began.
I was speaking of the theory of human evolution. A person can parse words about it day in and day out, but at the end of the day it still remains a theory. It hasn't been proven. Otherwise people would post that proof instead of some long line of rhetoric. When and if it's ever proven, I'll more than willingly accept it. I'll even be amazed, because I don't believe it.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.I don't like the "one in a trillion" chance excuse, though I don't belittle your belief, but the reasoning is this:
It's one in a trillion per solar system, there are more than a quadrillion solar systems in every galaxy, and as far as we know there are an infinite number of galaxies, so chances are (scientifically) there is life on many more planets in our own galaxy, not to mention in the whole universe even with those slim odds. Also, the one in a trillion odds are based on very old understanding of life. In reality it's more like one in a hundred per solar system and one in a billion per planet. We have learned there are many planets once thought of as uninhabitable to actually have very primitive life forms on them. Also note that the chances are for complex life forms, not just the presence of life.
i have no doubt there could be some form of life that existed somewhere else at some time, i am not even certain if we didn't for that matter.
i said one in a trillion trillion chance, not one in a trillion!
the fact still remains, that the Bible states the earth was in darkness....science says the earth was once in darkness...
the bible then says the earth was given a sun and a moon, and science says the earth was kicked in to this galaxy with the sun and moon...it explained it more as an asteroid or another nearing planet's pressence that pulled or pushed us in to it.
That's incorrect. Earth was formed during the latter stages of our sun's formation, within this solar system. Earth has always orbited the sun; Earth did not originate elsewhere. There has never been "darkness"; at least not in the sense you meant.
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
the bible is not a science book and should not be thought of one imo, but there is more truth in it regarding the science of today than many give credit to....again, in my opinion.
care
As for the moon; it's the result of a failed planet (a planetesimal) colliding with Earth during planet/star formation. The collision created a shockwave so massive that molten chunks of Earth on the opposite side of the collision (other side of Earth) broke away and actually escaped the atmosphere, but not Earth's gravitational pull. So much mass escaped, in fact, that the resultant satellite (the moon) was able to form into a sphere.
Something did occur to me today. In a billion years, all the higher orders of animals all have two eyes, a nose/nostrils and a mouth. Why have those things never mutated?
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Gee... that's quite a revelation. Have you announced that to the scientific community yet, so they can no longer call it a theory?
There's the part many people do not realize, evolution itself is fact, and evolutionary science is not only proven but an extremely useful science. There is one part that is theory, the evolutionary paths of some species (most we know to be fact), one of which is humanity. When talking about the "theory of evolution" they are talking about the evolution of humans specifically. Calling it the "theory of evolution" was originally used as a shorthand, but people latched onto it and it became a catch phrase. In reality when a scientist says that they mean "theory of the evolution of humanity."
But the original meaning is one of those things which are lost do to a lack of use and understanding.
I was speaking of the theory of human evolution. A person can parse words about it day in and day out, but at the end of the day it still remains a theory. It hasn't been proven. Otherwise people would post that proof instead of some long line of rhetoric. When and if it's ever proven, I'll more than willingly accept it. I'll even be amazed, because I don't believe it.
He could have. my father in law brought up this possibility at church and was treated like a heretic.
How did Noah get all those animals on one boat? And how did kangaroos travel all the way from australia to get on Noah's boat?
All of these people send applause for three sentences supported by nothing. However you did underline one word and maybe I am missing something. :0)Againsheila (05-07-2009), auditor0007 (05-07-2009), elvis3577 (05-07-2009), Immanuel (05-07-2009), tigerbob (05-07-2009)
And so many find this OP useful for what reason I have no clue. Yes. Scripture and Science teach evolution and creation in that God created all life from the waters (Gen. 1:20) beginning billions of years ago (like Science says); until man (male and female) became part of the creation in Genesis 1:26-28. These are the Aborigine and Native Indian Peoples and even princes of the east who have been around for hundreds of thousands and even millions of years (story + Wiki).I believe in both evolution and creation.
The Bible says God created man from the ground ... evolution says we evolved from some single celled organisms from a primordial soup of some kind.
Why couldn't God have created evolution?
The believers in our gospel (#2 = Church #2) are members of one another, because we have all been baptized into Christ (Gal. 3:27) in the same way that the gods in Gods Infinite Realm all incarnate inside one another. The short of a very long story is that Satan murdered Adam and all of the gods incarnate IN Adam were killed at the very same time! There is only one son of God (Luke 3:38 = greatest born of women = John = Adam) in this Adamic Universe and his name is Adam. All the other gods incarnate in this universe died in Adam (1Cor. 15:22) in the day that the Lord God took Eve from his singularity expression body; in the SAME WAY that all the native Indian peoples also died IN Adam, when this universe became formless and void in Genesis 1:2.For just as we have many members in one body and all the members do not have the same function, so we, who are many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. Romans 12:4-5.
I believe in both evolution and creation.
The Bible says God created man from the ground ... evolution says we evolved from some single celled organisms from a primordial soup of some kind.
Why couldn't God have created evolution?
I believe in evolution with IN a species, it is pretty much a proven fact that happens ( try the horse for evidence) . However there is NO evidence that one species of NON plant life, or virus, or single cell life has ever evolved into 2 or more other species.
And Yes even if they prove man evolved from an ape like creature that JUST MEANS that is how God made man evolve. I keep asking who it was that Cain lived with once cast out for the murder of his brother, and who it was his siblings all married.
Religious people will not be effected by actual evidence that evolution occurs in the manner that science claims. Of course for now it is unimportant since it is totally unproven.
RGS, there has been a little improvement in science called Genetics. We have read the genetic code of many species. And the reading of that code has given total support to the Theory of Evolution.
If by "Theory of Evolution" you mean dogs becoming whales or is it the other way around, I'd have to disagree with you. I see no convincing evidence. On the other hand only a fool would state that a species doesn't evolve.
As for reading the code, I've heard it claimed we came from apes. I have also heard that our closest genetic relative is the pig. My mom used to call me a pig whenever she opened my bedroom door, but I don't think she meant it in quite those terms.
Immie