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Do you have any specifics?i said libtards.
the ones that are acting like they were against regime change
Biden voted for the war, Chuck and nancy too
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin
The Iraq War was a success, even Obama acknowledge he was handed a free and stable Iraq....sad he handed it over to Iran and ISIS
Here's the photo;
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President Bush Meets with His Eminence Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, Leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq
President George W. Bush welcomes Sayyed Abdul-Aziz Al-Hakim, Leader of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, to the White House Monday, Dec. 4, 2006. S
When Obama said Bush doing a regime change in Iraq will be a dumb war and he opposes dumb wars was he being a weak leader?The issue with Iraq was Obama was just a weak leader
We didn't withdraw in 2008
The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office.
He didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.
When Obama said Bush doing a regime change in Iraq will be a dumb war and he opposes dumb wars was he being a weak leader?The issue with Iraq was Obama was just a weak leader
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.
“That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.
“Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. “He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.
But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. “I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.
“I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars. “So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.
“You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work,
haha you keep changing the words...he certianly got Congressional approvalHe didn't need UN approval to invade..he had the US Congressional approval.
Dubya did not get US Congressional Approval.. He was given Congressional authority to use military force as he determines TO BE NECESSARY.
Dubya lied about why it was necessary and Biden did not approve of the date chosen or the puny size of the coalition. No member of Congress like Joe Biden had an obligation to approve of being lied to and making a flawed decision on timimg if kicking out the inspections.
More important than that, Dubya did not need the Congressional authority he received in October 2002.
In a March 2003 letter to Congress announcing the start of the U.S. invasion, Bush quoted the 2001 AUMF: “That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.
Yep those are examples of libtards that flipped flopped.Do you have any specifics?i said libtards.
the ones that are acting like they were against regime change
Your first post:
Biden voted for the war, Chuck and nancy too
I thought you were talking about Joe, Chuck and Nancy.
Joe didn’t flip flop on regime change if you are talking about Juniors 2003 ill-prepared hasty little backed lie-based invasion for regime change in Iraq.
so I doubt you know what the hell you are talking about.
your second post on this thread:
hahahha what BS....they voted to authorize the us of military force in Iraq...there was NOT one stipulation about going to the UN....not that it would ever be necessary...but in fact one of the main factors was the fact they voted to liberate Iraq, a few years earlier during the Clinton admin
there is withdrawing some troops...and completely leaving as Obama did.We didn't withdraw in 2008
We started withdrawing in 2008 because Iraq was Dubya’s free and stable.nation building success.
The Iraq War was a success, before Obama took office.
To achieve success, Bush did the great SURGE.
Did you support the SURGE?
Cool...that has zero to do with the discussion. Obama's opposition to the war prior to Xiden and Congress's approval of it, has zero to do with the fact he screwed up in 2011When Obama said Bush doing a regime change in Iraq will be a dumb war and he opposes dumb wars was he being a weak leader?The issue with Iraq was Obama was just a weak leader
What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.“That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.“Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. “He’s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. “I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.“I am not opposed to all wars. I’m opposed to dumb wars. “So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.“You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work,
Obama and Xiden's foreign policy blunder was unable to extend our SOFA, and then announced when we'd be leaving...
Cool...that has zero to do with the discussion. Obama's opposition to the war prior to Xiden and Congress's approval of it, has zero to do with the fact he screwed up in 2011
So you approved and supported Bush’s decision to put 30,000 US Military troops in harms way to nation build in Iraq in 2006? Is that correct?Yes...it worked...we saw a drop in violence after the surge.
Yep those are examples of libtards that flipped flopped.
More of your Taqiyya. I can't even recall a single posting from you that wasn't a lie.So, essentially, the difference between that culture and America is that the duopoly takes the place just one "leader".I opposed the war.
I opposed it because I understand the primitive nature of Islamic Arab culture enough to realize there are only two possible forms of governence for these severely inbred people. THey either live under a ruthless, strong armed leader who is capable of keeping a lid on the crazies or be ruled by the crazies.
Are you actually suffering from such delusions that you think it is common for us to marry our cousins?
That's rare these days.
Consanguinity Among the Arab and Jewish Populations in ...
Consanguinity Among the Arab and Jewish Populations in Israel Consanguineous marriages are associated with many problems, although the prevailing opinion is that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. This explains why the custom is still extremely prevalent, particularly in Arab countries, India and small isolated communities.
Consanguinity among the Arab and Jewish populations in Israel - PubMed
Consanguineous marriages are associated with many problems, although the prevailing opinion is that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. This explains why the custom is still extremely prevalent, particularly in Arab countries, India and small isolated communities. Among Israeli Arabs...pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Wait a minute catholic dude, Do you not grasp or even marginally comprehend the religious aspect the Sunni Shiite split on the political and societal situation in Iraq?.thus leaving the door open for ISIS and Iran to pick apart the newly formed Govt...
I did a Google map search of the area and I found no evidence of an ISIS caliphate. Even going back to when Obama was president. Why do you credit murderous thugs that are the worst of all non-state terrorists in the modern world with getting a caliphate.SIS didn't care who was President of Iraq....they wanted a caliphate.....and got one,
What do you mean “take hold“? You yourself admit that when Bush signed the first sofa in 2008 Iraq was stable and free.Of course they were there to make sure the Govt had a chance to take hold and grow...
How was keeping American soldiers out of Iraq because the Iraqi government would under no circumstances grant them immunity after 2011 an Obama screwup?Cool...that has zero to do with the discussion. Obama's opposition to the war prior to Xiden and Congress's approval of it, has zero to do with the fact he screwed up in 2011
So you approved and supported Bush’s decision to put 30,000 US Military troops in harms way to nation build in Iraq in 2006? Is that correct?Yes...it worked...we saw a drop in violence after the surge.
