USS Liberty Survivor Phil Tourney Blasts Trump Iran Attack: "Here We Go Again...No More Wars for Israel," Says Trump Compromised by Epstein

[georgephillip]

Very few. Far less than there will be dead Iranian terrorists.

The US is only going to be there for a few weeks. After that, Iran will be crippled and Israel can target the government at will. I imagine that the jews will be kicking muslim ass for a long time over there, unless Iran finds a new government that we approve of.

How does Israel's strategic depth compare to Iran's?

"Strategic depth is a military and geopolitical concept referring to the spatial, temporal, and cognitive distance between an adversary and a nation's core population, industrial, or political centers.

"It provides time for a nation to absorb shocks, mobilize, and counterattack. Traditionally based on geography, it now encompasses industrial, cyber, and technological resilience"

GoogleAI Overview

Regime change will come to Tel Aviv and DC long before Iran.

 

[georgephillip]

Oct 7.

Hezbollah took the bait and murdered a bunch of women and children. Kind of lost any sympathy there.

How many women and children did Hezbollah murder on October 7, more or less than the IDF near Gaza?

Israeli army probe finds multiple cases of friendly fire on October 7 - The Grayzone

"The army probe identified numerous examples of Israeli forces targeting Israeli civilians, as well as overreacting or failing to act on October 7.​

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"Mainstream media has smeared The Grayzone for exposing Israel’s 'Hannibal Directive' scandal months ago."​

 

[toomuchtime_]

When was the last time Muslims waged genocide against Jews?

Israel’s Admission of Genocide

"Since October 7, 2023, Israeli cabinet ministers, political figures, military officers and media pundits have openly and endlessly incited for the destruction of Gaza and its Palestinian inhabitants.

"Already by December 2023, South Africa had compiled an extensive record of these statements for its submission to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) alleging that Israel intended to perpetrate genocide in the Palestinian enclave."

What a stupid question. Hamas has been clear that is their intention and there is no real opposition among the other Palestinians, so the answer is daily.

However, the last time the Arab states openly declared their intention to commit a genocide against the Jews was in 1948:

War of Extermination​

An October 11, 1947 report on the pan-Arab summit in the Lebanese town of Aley,[9] by Akhbar al-Yom‘s editor Mustafa Amin, contained an interview he held with Arab League secretary-general Azzam. Titled, “A War of Extermination,” the interview read as follows (translated by Efraim Karsh; all ellipses are in the original text):

Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha spoke to me about the horrific war that was in the offing… saying:

“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine’s Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine … You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews.

“This war will be distinguished by three serious matters. First—faith: as each fighter deems his death on behalf of Palestine as the shortest road to paradise; second, [the war] will be an opportunity for vast plunder. Third, it will be impossible to contain the zealous volunteers arriving from all corners of the world to avenge the martyrdom of the Palestine Arabs, and viewing the war as dignifying every Arab and every Muslim throughout the world …

“The Arab is superior to the Jew in that he accepts defeat with a smile: Should the Jews defeat us in the first battle, we will defeat them in the second or the third battle … or the final one… whereas one defeat will shatter the Jew’s morale! Most desert Arabians take pleasure in fighting. I recall being tasked with mediating a truce in a desert war (in which I participated) that lasted for nine months…While en route to sign the truce, I was approached by some of my comrades in arms who told me: ‘Shame on you! You are a man of the people, so how could you wish to end the war … How can we live without war?’ This is because war gives the Bedouin a sense of happiness, bliss, and security that peace does not provide! …

“I warned the Jewish leaders I met in London to desist from their policy,[11] telling them that the Arab was the mightiest of soldiers and the day he draws his weapon, he will not lay it down until firing the last bullet in the battle, and we will fire the last shot …"

He [Azzam] ended his conversation with me by saying: “I foresee the consequences of this bloody war. I see before me its horrible battles. I can picture its dead, injured, and victims … But my conscience is clear … For we are not attacking but defending ourselves, and we are not aggressors but defenders against an aggression! …"

Azzam's Genocidal Threat

Of the countless threats of violence, made by Arab and Palestinian leaders in the run up to and in the wake of the November 29, 1947 partition resolution, none has resonated more widely than the warning by Abdul Rahman Azzam, the Arab League's first

www.meforum.org

In the current conflict with the Palestinians, Israel has strictly abided by International Humanitarian Law, and nothing that is happening in Gaza fits the UN's definition of genocide.

How is that you spend so much time here and yet have nothing to add to any conversation but gossip?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Your opinions are not shared by the eyewitnesses to Israel's deliberate attack on Liberty:

[td]
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"Haven't there been numerous US investigations into the attack?

A:

"No there haven't. No US governmental entity has ever undertaken an investigation into the culpability for the attack. There have been investigations into the seamanship of the crew (US Navy Court of Inquiry), the message handling procedures of the US military (The JCS Russ Report), and other attempts to report publicly reported facts. No agency or other institution has ever conducted a fact finding investigation into the question of why the Israelis launched the attack and their prior knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship.

[/td]​

[td]
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Q:	"What about Congressional investigations?

A:

"There have been no Congressional investigations. One of the more prominent Israeli propagandists, AJ Cristol, created this allegation in the mold of the 'Big Lie' technique of the 1930's ("if you tell a big enough lie often enough, people will come to believe it')." F.A.Q. - Numerous investigations

[/td]​

That, of course, is bullshit, but I'm sure you already knew that. There were three immediate investigations, the Naval Board of Inquiry, a presidential investigation led by William Harriman, and a Congressional investigation, and they all came to the same conclusion, Israel did not know the Liberty was an American ship when it attacked. Years later when airheads like you started talking nonsense about the event again, the Bush administration opened another investigation that came to the same conclusion.

 

[toomuchtime_]

How many women and children did Hezbollah murder on October 7, more or less than the IDF near Gaza?

Israeli army probe finds multiple cases of friendly fire on October 7 - The Grayzone

"The army probe identified numerous examples of Israeli forces targeting Israeli civilians, as well as overreacting or failing to act on October 7.​

​

"Mainstream media has smeared The Grayzone for exposing Israel’s 'Hannibal Directive' scandal months ago."​

Of course some soldiers committed crimes during the war and that happens in every army in every war, but the IDF policy was always to abide by International Humanitarian Law.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There was an inquiry too when trump claimed he won the 2020 election, that found that he'd lost plain and simple, yet goons like you still cry it was stolen - look in a mirror.

And once again you concede you have lost the debate by trying to change the subject.

 

[georgephillip]

What a stupid question. Hamas has been clear that is their intention and there is no real opposition among the other Palestinians, so the answer is daily.

However, the last time the Arab states openly declared their intention to commit a genocide against the Jews was in 1948:

War of Extermination​

An October 11, 1947 report on the pan-Arab summit in the Lebanese town of Aley,[9] by Akhbar al-Yom‘s editor Mustafa Amin, contained an interview he held with Arab League secretary-general Azzam. Titled, “A War of Extermination,” the interview read as follows (translated by Efraim Karsh; all ellipses are in the original text):

Abdul Rahman Azzam Pasha spoke to me about the horrific war that was in the offing… saying:

“I personally wish that the Jews do not drive us to this war, as this will be a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Tartar massacre[10] or the Crusader wars. I believe that the number of volunteers from outside Palestine will be larger than Palestine’s Arab population, for I know that volunteers will be arriving to us from [as far as] India, Afghanistan, and China to win the honor of martyrdom for the sake of Palestine … You might be surprised to learn that hundreds of Englishmen expressed their wish to volunteer in the Arab armies to fight the Jews.

“This war will be distinguished by three serious matters. First—faith: as each fighter deems his death on behalf of Palestine as the shortest road to paradise; second, [the war] will be an opportunity for vast plunder. Third, it will be impossible to contain the zealous volunteers arriving from all corners of the world to avenge the martyrdom of the Palestine Arabs, and viewing the war as dignifying every Arab and every Muslim throughout the world …

“The Arab is superior to the Jew in that he accepts defeat with a smile: Should the Jews defeat us in the first battle, we will defeat them in the second or the third battle … or the final one… whereas one defeat will shatter the Jew’s morale! Most desert Arabians take pleasure in fighting. I recall being tasked with mediating a truce in a desert war (in which I participated) that lasted for nine months…While en route to sign the truce, I was approached by some of my comrades in arms who told me: ‘Shame on you! You are a man of the people, so how could you wish to end the war … How can we live without war?’ This is because war gives the Bedouin a sense of happiness, bliss, and security that peace does not provide! …

“I warned the Jewish leaders I met in London to desist from their policy,[11] telling them that the Arab was the mightiest of soldiers and the day he draws his weapon, he will not lay it down until firing the last bullet in the battle, and we will fire the last shot …"

He [Azzam] ended his conversation with me by saying: “I foresee the consequences of this bloody war. I see before me its horrible battles. I can picture its dead, injured, and victims … But my conscience is clear … For we are not attacking but defending ourselves, and we are not aggressors but defenders against an aggression! …"

Azzam's Genocidal Threat

Of the countless threats of violence, made by Arab and Palestinian leaders in the run up to and in the wake of the November 29, 1947 partition resolution, none has resonated more widely than the warning by Abdul Rahman Azzam, the Arab League's first

www.meforum.org

In the current conflict with the Palestinians, Israel has strictly abided by International Humanitarian Law, and nothing that is happening in Gaza fits the UN's definition of genocide.

How is that you spend so much time here and yet have nothing to add to any conversation but gossip?

You didn't even try to answer my question.

When was the last time Muslims committed a genocide against Jews?

Too hard?

Here's an easy one:

When was the last time Muslims murdered 165 Jewish schoolgirls in a single airstrike?

 

[georgephillip]

In the current conflict with the Palestinians, Israel has strictly abided by International Humanitarian Law, and nothing that is happening in Gaza fits the UN's definition of genocide

Please provide that UN definition of genocide

AI Overview

"Based on findings from 2024 and 2025, various United Nations bodies, independent experts, and special rapporteurs have increasingly concluded that Israel's actions in Gaza constitute genocide, accusing the state of committing acts intended to destroy the Palestinian population in the territory.

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• "UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry (Sept 2025): A UN-appointed commission found that Israel has committed genocide, specifically citing acts such as killing civilians, causing serious bodily or mental harm, creating conditions of life aimed at physical destruction, and measures to prevent births."

 

[georgephillip]

That, of course, is bullshit, but I'm sure you already knew that. There were three immediate investigations, the Naval Board of Inquiry, a presidential investigation led by William Harriman, and a Congressional investigation, and they all came to the same conclusion, Israel did not know the Liberty was an American ship when it attacked. Years later when airheads like you started talking nonsense about the event again, the Bush administration opened another investigation that came to the same conclusion.

"What about Congressional investigations?

A:

"There have been no Congressional investigations. One of the more prominent Israeli propagandists, AJ Cristol, created this allegation in the mold of the 'Big Lie' technique of the 1930's ("if you tell a big enough lie often enough, people will come to believe it"). "The Librarian of Congress, when asked about this allegation of purported Congressional investigations, formally replied: [FONT=Helvetica, Geneva, Arial, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif]'After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty.'

"This allegation is a lie, plain and simple. The chief proponent of this lie, A.J. Cristol, has repeatedly been asked to produce evidence of the truth of his allegation. He has refused to do so." F.A.Q. - Numerous investigations

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[georgephillip]

Of course some soldiers committed crimes during the war and that happens in every army in every war, but the IDF policy was always to abide by International Humanitarian Law.

The IDF policy is stated perfectly in its Dahiya doctrine which stands in direct contrast to International Law.

Dahiya doctrine - Wikipedia

"The Dahiya doctrine, also spelled Dahya or Dahieh, is an Israeli military strategy involving the large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure, or domicide, to pressure hostile governments.

"The doctrine was outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot. Israel colonel Gabi Siboni wrote that Israel 'should target economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the organization'.

"The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants, forcing the enemy to sue for peace."

 

[Churchill]

And once again you concede you have lost the debate by trying to change the subject.

You changed the subject from USS Liberty to conspiracy theories. The whole cover up is a conspiracy, not a theory, go and look in a dictionary for the definition.

Rejecting what I and many others say because its a "conspiracy theory" means you must reject all of trump's conspiracy fantasies like the "stolen election" and the "deep state" and all the other silliness.

The USS Liberty is a conspiracy. it meets the definition, unlike MAGA's obsession with conspiracy fantasies, an entirely different concept.

So that's that, yes it is a conspiracy, people at senior levels have conspired to suppress the truth.

Conspiracy theories are plausible, consistent with the facts.
Conspiracy fantasies are ludicrous, inconsistent with facts and basic logic - this is maga's specialist area.

Some of these fantasies are

Trump won in 2020 and the election was stolen.
Trump is a victim of countless baseless accusations.
Obama was not a US citizen.
Canada's Trudeau is the son of Fidel Castro.
Tim Waltz was behind the 2025 shootings of legislators.
Five million non-citizens voted in the 2016 elections.

and on and on and on they go...and anti-intellectual human garbage like you lap it up and repeat it, ever the victims, you poor mistreated man, what a cruel world it is, out to get trump and out to get you - you're a ******* loser.

 

[PeterPilot]

munkle

My brainwashed Khazarian brother actually believes the attack on the Liberty was an accident. Then again, he also believed the clot shots to be safe and effective.

 

[Churchill]

The IDF policy is stated perfectly in its Dahiya doctrine which stands in direct contrast to International Law.

Dahiya doctrine - Wikipedia

"The Dahiya doctrine, also spelled Dahya or Dahieh, is an Israeli military strategy involving the large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure, or domicide, to pressure hostile governments.

"The doctrine was outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot. Israel colonel Gabi Siboni wrote that Israel 'should target economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the organization'.

"The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants, forcing the enemy to sue for peace."

All true, but there's a shorter term for that policy "terrorism".

 

[georgephillip]

All true, but there's a shorter term for that policy "terrorism".

Terrorism is "the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of violence to induce fear and coerce governments or societies, often for ideological, political, or religious motives."

Imho, economics would count as the primary motive today, and, by that definition, the US and Israel are the world greatest terrorists.

GoogleAI Overview

 

[Churchill]

Terrorism is "the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of violence to induce fear and coerce governments or societies, often for ideological, political, or religious motives."

Imho, economics would count as the primary motive today, and, by that definition, the US and Israel are the world greatest terrorists.

GoogleAI Overview

Exactly.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You changed the subject from USS Liberty to conspiracy theories. The whole cover up is a conspiracy, not a theory, go and look in a dictionary for the definition.

Rejecting what I and many others say because its a "conspiracy theory" means you must reject all of trump's conspiracy fantasies like the "stolen election" and the "deep state" and all the other silliness.

The USS Liberty is a conspiracy. it meets the definition, unlike MAGA's obsession with conspiracy fantasies, an entirely different concept.

So that's that, yes it is a conspiracy, people at senior levels have conspired to suppress the truth.

Conspiracy theories are plausible, consistent with the facts.
Conspiracy fantasies are ludicrous, inconsistent with facts and basic logic - this is maga's specialist area.

Some of these fantasies are

Trump won in 2020 and the election was stolen.
Trump is a victim of countless baseless accusations.
Obama was not a US citizen.
Canada's Trudeau is the son of Fidel Castro.
Tim Waltz was behind the 2025 shootings of legislators.
Five million non-citizens voted in the 2016 elections.

and on and on and on they go...and anti-intellectual human garbage like you lap it up and repeat it, ever the victims, you poor mistreated man, what a cruel world it is, out to get trump and out to get you - you're a ******* loser.

Listen, Shit-for-Brains, there is no USS Liberty issue. The incident has been investigated by a Naval board of Review, Congress and two Presidential commissions, and they all came to the same conclusion, at the time of the attack the IDF did not know it was an American ship. All the records are public. There are no unanswered questions.

The notion that Israel destroyed the Liberty because it was spying on Israel and passing intel on the Soviet client states, Egypt and Syria, was first advanced by a Soviet author, Josef Daichman, seeking to sow discord between Israel and the US, as you are trying to do, after Israel had so rapidly and thoroughly defeated the USSR's attempt to control the ME.

This notion is absurd for at least two reasons. First, it takes a special kind of stupid to believe that in the icy depths of the Cold War the US Navy would aid Soviet client states in their advance across the ME toward the Gulf oil reserves, and second, because after Israel had destroyed most of the Egyptian air force on the ground in the first hour if the war there was no intel that could have saved Egypt and Syria (and the Soviets) from final defeat.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The IDF policy is stated perfectly in its Dahiya doctrine which stands in direct contrast to International Law.

Dahiya doctrine - Wikipedia

"The Dahiya doctrine, also spelled Dahya or Dahieh, is an Israeli military strategy involving the large-scale destruction of civilian infrastructure, or domicide, to pressure hostile governments.

"The doctrine was outlined by former Israel Defense Forces (IDF) Chief of General Staff Gadi Eizenkot. Israel colonel Gabi Siboni wrote that Israel 'should target economic interests and the centers of civilian power that support the organization'.

"The logic is to cause difficulties for the civilian population so much that they will then turn against the militants, forcing the enemy to sue for peace."

It makes sense, but the fact is Israel abided by International Humanitarian Law to the point that Israeli generals could not order non emergency attacks without first being cleared by IDF lawyers that the attack abided by IHL.

Were you familiar with the actual facts of the conflict, instead of just being familiar with anti Israel propaganda, you would recognize the extensive damage to civilian infrastructure was due to the fact that Hamas was located in tunnels beneath the cities, requiring the IDF to go through civilian areas to get to Hamas.

 

[toomuchtime_]

"What about Congressional investigations?

A:

"There have been no Congressional investigations. One of the more prominent Israeli propagandists, AJ Cristol, created this allegation in the mold of the 'Big Lie' technique of the 1930's ("if you tell a big enough lie often enough, people will come to believe it"). "The Librarian of Congress, when asked about this allegation of purported Congressional investigations, formally replied: [FONT=Helvetica, Geneva, Arial, SunSans-Regular, sans-serif]'After checking numerous resources, including the CIS (Congressional Information Service) Indexes to Congressional Hearings (both published and unpublished), and the Public Documents Masterfile, I could find no evidence that the Congress ever held hearings or launched an investigation into the June 8, 1967 incident with the USS Liberty.'

"This allegation is a lie, plain and simple. The chief proponent of this lie, A.J. Cristol, has repeatedly been asked to produce evidence of the truth of his allegation. He has refused to do so." F.A.Q. - Numerous investigations

[/FONT]

Of course all this is nonsense. There are public records of a Naval Board of Review, a Congressional investigation, and two Presidential commissions.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You didn't even try to answer my question.

When was the last time Muslims committed a genocide against Jews?

Too hard?

Here's an easy one:

When was the last time Muslims murdered 165 Jewish schoolgirls in a single airstrike?

Of course I answered your question and even gave you tow examples of Arab leaders publicly stating they intended to commit a genocide against the Jews, but you apparently were unsure how to respond so you pretend I didn't answer your question.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Please provide that UN definition of genocide

AI Overview

"Based on findings from 2024 and 2025, various United Nations bodies, independent experts, and special rapporteurs have increasingly concluded that Israel's actions in Gaza constitute genocide, accusing the state of committing acts intended to destroy the Palestinian population in the territory.
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• "UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry (Sept 2025): A UN-appointed commission found that Israel has committed genocide, specifically citing acts such as killing civilians, causing serious bodily or mental harm, creating conditions of life aimed at physical destruction, and measures to prevent births."

So instead of referring to the UN defintion of genocide, you chose to show you are not the only asshole falsey accusing Israel of genocide.

AI Overview

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The UN defines genocide in Article II of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide as specific acts committed with the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group". These acts include killing, causing serious harm, inflicting conditions of life designed to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children.

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Key Components of the Definition

• Intent: The perpetrator must have the specific intent to destroy the group, not just individuals.
• • Targeted Groups: The law protects four specific groups: national, ethnical, racial, or religious.
  • Acts: Actions include Killing; Causing serious bodily or mental harm; Inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about physical destruction; Imposing measures to prevent births; and Forcibly transferring children.
    
    
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  • Clearly Israel's intent was no to destroy any national, ethnical, racial or religious group, so it is not genocide.
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