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[Quantrill]

Because there are none past the original 13 states under the Constitution. You have been told now by yours truly and Mushroom what the procedure is. What you just posted is a bald-faced lie!

Where are the dates of those ratifications, say for Arizona? You can't answer because they don't ratify the ******* Constitution, you incredible dumbass!

Welcome to my mental ignore list. You can respond to me all day long and I will never answer you directly except to mock your stupidity!

I am beginning to believe you must have sustained some traumatic brain injury or mental retardation because no one is that lacking in intelligence willfully!

Arizona ratified Feb. 9, 1911.

Your mental ignore doesn't mean shit to me. of course you won't answer me directly...because you're full of shit.

More A+ for your grade of bullshit.

Quantrill

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Arizona ratified Feb. 9, 1911.

Your mental ignore doesn't mean shit to me. of course you won't answer me directly...because you're full of shit.

More A+ for your grade of bullshit.

Quantrill

Where is your ******* link, dumbass?

 

[Mushroom]

Well, you think wrong. The Articles of Confederation declared the Union 'perpetual'. But that was shown to be bullshit when in 1787

Was the Union dissolved when they did that?

Once again, you keep trying to argue in circles and never actually discussing the points made you are trying to contest.

 

[Mushroom]

Arizona ratified Feb. 9, 1911.

Arizona ratified the US Constitution?

Oh please, give us a link to that.

 

[Quantrill]

What date and what was the vote of the Kentucky state legislature that didn't even exist until Kentucky became a state? Kentucky was a part of Virginia at the time, so they technically already ratified the Constitution. Maine was a part of Massachusetts, so they had technically already ratified it to. There is so much of this topic that you are completely wrong on, and you can't help proving yourself wrong!

I gave the date as you acknowledged. 1788. Kentucky as part of Virginia, and Maine as part of Massachusetts.

Their State Constitutions would then have to agree with, the U.S. Constitution. Kentucky became a state June 1, 1792. It then had to ratify the Bill of Rights, June 27, 1792.

Point being, ratification of the U.S. Constitution is necessary to be part of the Union.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Was the Union dissolved when they did that?

Once again, you keep trying to argue in circles and never actually discussing the points made you are trying to contest.

Yes, the Union under the Articles of Confederation was dissolved. Proving that Union was not perpetual.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Arizona ratified the US Constitution?

Oh please, give us a link to that.

Arizona ratified the U.S. Constitution when it became the 48th State, and changing its State Constitution to agree with the U.S. Constitution.

See 'BallotPedia-Arizona Constitution Ratification Measure'.

Point being, ratification of U.S. Constitution is necessary to become part of the Union.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Where is your ******* link, dumbass?

See post #(187)....dumbass.

Quantrill

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I gave the date as you acknowledged. 1788. Kentucky as part of Virginia, and Maine as part of Massachusetts.

Their State Constitutions would then have to agree with, the U.S. Constitution. Kentucky became a state June 1, 1792. It then had to ratify the Bill of Rights, June 27, 1792.

Point being, ratification of the U.S. Constitution is necessary to be part of the Union.

Quantrill

Hey dumbass, that's a year not a date. Where is your ******* link?

I knew that date because that is where I was born and grew up. What exact date

The bill of rights was an amendment. That ratification was not necessary to become a state as you just posted. Why won't you admit defeat? Is it because the real Quantrill never did?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Arizona ratified the U.S. Constitution when it became the 48th State, and changing its State Constitution to agree with the U.S. Constitution.

See 'BallotPedia-Arizona Constitution Ratification Measure'
Point being, ratification of U.S. Constitution is necessary to become part of the Union.

Quantrill

My God, you are ******* stupid beyond all comprehension! That's the Arizona state constitution, you moron! Can you ******* read the English language?

Could you make an even bigger epic failure?

 

[Mushroom]

Arizona ratified the U.S. Constitution when it became the 48th State, and changing its State Constitution to agree with the U.S. Constitution.

See 'BallotPedia-Arizona Constitution Ratification Measure'.

Point being, ratification of U.S. Constitution is necessary to become part of the Union.

Quantrill

Hey Dumb-ass, that is ratifying their own state Constitution, not the US Constitution.

And double-dumb ass on you!

As it was a US Territory before it was ever a US State, they were already under the Constitution! What, do you not know that the Constitution applies to not only states, but also US territories?

I am finding it hilarious that even your attempts at references are a failure.

 

[Mushroom]

My God, you are ******* stupid beyond all comprehension! That's the Arizona state constitution, you moron! Can you ******* read the English language?

Could you make an even bigger epic failure?

To be honest, I have completely given up. When somebody actually thinks that the Constitution does not apply unless it's a state, it's useless. I guess they also think that the Constitution does not apply in Puerto Rico, Guam, or American Samoa either just because those are not states..

Some people simply can not be reasoned with, and they will insist they are correct no matter how much you prove to them they are wrong.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

To be honest, I have completely given up. When somebody actually thinks that the Constitution does not apply unless it's a state, it's useless. I guess they also think that the Constitution does not apply in Puerto Rico, Guam, or American Samoa either just because those are not states..

Some people simply can not be reasoned with, and they will insist they are correct no matter how much you prove to them they are wrong.

He is like a train wreck! You don't want to watch, but something just make you do it!

 

[Mushroom]

He is like a train wreck! You don't want to watch, but something just make you do it!

Oh, I already stopped watching.

When somebody has such little grasp of reality that they apparently think that Arizona had to ratify the US Constitution, and that it only applies to states and not territories, that is a clear disconnect with reality.

 

[Quantrill]

Hey dumbass, that's a year not a date. Where is your ******* link?

I knew that date because that is where I was born and grew up. What exact date

The bill of rights was an amendment. That ratification was not necessary to become a state as you just posted. Why won't you admit defeat? Is it because the real Quantrill never did?

I don't give a shit where you were born and grew up. Save that for someone who cares.

June 26, 1788 Virginia ratified the Constitution. That area of Kentucky was still part of Virgina meaning they ratified.

Kentucky desired statehood and had several conventions to align its State Constitution with the U.S. Constitution.

June 1, 1792, Congress approved Kentucky's State Constitution, meaning the U.S. Constitution was ratified.

June 27, 1792, Kentucky ratified the Bill of Rights. Look up the dates dumbass.

Ratification was necessary. Kentucky's ratification came with aligning it's State Constitution with the approval of Congress and then 26 days later had to ratify the Bill of Rights.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Hey Dumb-ass, that is ratifying their own state Constitution, not the US Constitution.

And double-dumb ass on you!

As it was a US Territory before it was ever a US State, they were already under the Constitution! What, do you not know that the Constitution applies to not only states, but also US territories?

I am finding it hilarious that even your attempts at references are a failure.

No U.S. territory was a State within the Union until it ratified the Constitution.

When an area within a territory sought statehood in the Union, it would have to ratify the Constitution. That was done through the acceptance of the Federal govt. of their State Constitution.

In 1910, Congress authorized the Arizona territory to hold a Constitutional Convention to draft a State Constitution.

Dec. 9, 19,11 voters approved their State Constitution which was revised at the request of the Federal govt.

Federal requirements were satisfied, and Arizona became a State Feb. 14, 1912.

So, dumbass, the ratification of the U.S. Constitution was accomplished by the acceptance of Congress of the States Constitution.

Quantrill

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I don't give a shit where you were born and grew up. Save that for someone who cares.

June 26, 1788 Virginia ratified the Constitution. That area of Kentucky was still part of Virgina meaning they ratified.

Kentucky desired statehood and had several conventions to align its State Constitution with the U.S. Constitution.

June 1, 1792, Congress approved Kentucky's State Constitution, meaning the U.S. Constitution was ratified.

June 27, 1792, Kentucky ratified the Bill of Rights. Look up the dates dumbass.

Ratification was necessary. Kentucky's ratification came with aligning it's State Constitution with the approval of Congress and then 26 days later had to ratify the Bill of Rights.

Quantrill

That has nothing to do with it and thus your error. They did not ratify the US Constitution in any way shape or form.

States can still vote to ratify amendments even after they have reached the required number of states needed. Once again, you ascribe something that is not required to become a state as they do so afterwards.

Have a nice day, you ignorant POS that refuses to learn!

 

[Mushroom]

States can still vote to ratify amendments even after they have reached the required number of states needed. Once again, you ascribe something that is not required to become a state as they do so afterwards.

That can even be seen in Presidential Primaries.

When I lived in California, it was always kind of interesting. The most populous state in the country, and they held their primaries so late that by the time it came time for theirs the contests had already been decided. Quite literally, the affect of the California Primary on the Presidential race was meaningless, it only applied for the state and local races.

That is why in the last 3 elections, I cast my votes for somebody that had already withdrawn (or did not run that year). I did not like the choices left in the race (basically none), so went with somebody else that I did support.

Honestly, I actually do think that the best way to arrange primaries is from the least populous states to the most. That way the smaller states have more of a say, and they are not completely crushed by the more populous states.

 

[Quantrill]

That has nothing to do with it and thus your error. They did not ratify the US Constitution in any way shape or form.

States can still vote to ratify amendments even after they have reached the required number of states needed. Once again, you ascribe something that is not required to become a state as they do so afterwards.

Have a nice day, you ignorant POS that refuses to learn!

It has everything to do with it. It brings an area into the Union as a State. The U.S. Constitution is that which the State Constitution must comply with. That is the ratification of the U.S. Constitution by the State. The conventions assembled to create a State Constitution are the same as the ratification conventions assembled by the first 13 colonies.

Ratification is key here. In post #(189) you indicated it wasn't necessary for Kentucky to ratify the Bill of Rights. That is correct. Kentucky ratified the Bill of Rights making it part of their State Constitution. This, to them, insured their protections and liberties and limits on Federal power.

Kentucky became a State June 1, 1792, by approval of Congress of their State Constitution. Kentucky ratified the Bill of Rights June 27, 1792, 26 days later.

The Bill of Rights had already been ratified nationally Dec. 15, 1791. The fact that Kentucky ratified the Bill of Rights alone after becoming a State proves that they understood that the approval of Congress of their State Constitution, making them a State, was their ratification of the U.S. Constitution.

Point being again, ratification is necessary for any area, state, country, wanting to become a State within the Union. Which means, powers were 'delegated' to the Federal govt. and can be resumed by the State when these become harmful to the State. Tenth Amendment. Secession.

Quantrill

 

[mikegriffith1]

Arizona ratified the US Constitution? Oh please, give us a link to that.

Are you serious? Every territory that formed a state and wanted to join the Union had to ratify the U.S. Constitution. You can Google this.

Google AI says the following:

Arizona ratified the U.S. Constitution upon becoming the 48th state on February 14, 1912. As a territory preparing for statehood, Arizona adopted its own state constitution in 1910 and formally joined the Union in 1912.