Zone1 did Adam live for 930 years and Noah for 950 years?

[HikerGuy83]

God told them NOT to eat the fruit.

So, they were told to be fruitful and multiply without eating the fruit.

That is never stated in there.

You are making assumptions.

 

[BackAgain]

Maybe 930 or so MONTHS!

Some shit may have gotten lost in translation.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Not me.

The Bible.

You claim this was the perfect world where they were supposed to live forever.

That is explicitly stated NOWHERE.

You also won't answer the question as to why the tree was placed there if that was God's intent or why he let his biggest adversary roam the garden unchecked.

You can keep yacking about "scripture", but your case doesn't add up.

When you can explain those things, I'll be happy to continue.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Maybe 930 or so MONTHS!

Some shit may have gotten lost in translation.

Apocraphyl writings such as the Book of Enoch speak of conferences where Adam blessed his posterity which included many generations beyond what we could do today. I expect it was literal.

 

[BackAgain]

930-950 months was a ripe old age in the olden days.

****. I may not last that long and I’m about 70 years old now.

 

[DukeU]

You don't have anything.

They didn't fullfill the command until after they fell.

 

[DukeU]

That is never stated in there.

You are making assumptions.

 

[DukeU]

You claim this was the perfect world where they were supposed to live forever.

That is explicitly stated NOWHERE.

You also won't answer the question as to why the tree was placed there if that was God's intent or why he let his biggest adversary roam the garden unchecked.

You can keep yacking about "scripture", but your case doesn't add up.

When you can explain those things, I'll be happy to continue.

Easy.

Without the possibility of sin (disobeying God) they had to have choices.

The tree made it possible for them to choose between right and wrong. (free will)

God didn't create robots. He wants mankind to choose to be with him.....not have to.

Anything else I can help you with, don't hesitate to ask.


Now.

Answer my question.

Do you have any scripture to back up what you believe?

 

[onefour1]

God, who knows the end from the beginning, knew that Adam and Eve would fall. He even called a Savior before the foundation of the earth because he knew mankind would fall and need salvation. And like HikerGuy83 has stated, God placed Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve, God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden knowing full well that Adam and Eve would partake of it and fall. You would think that if God did not plan for the fall of Adam and Eve that he wouldn't allow Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve and he would not place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden so that it would bring about the fall. Finally, why would God call a Savior before the foundation of the world if he didn't already know and plan for the fall to occur? Yes, the fall of mankind was part of the plan of our Heavenly Father so that we could experience good and evil and become more like God himself.

1 Peter 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

 

[HikerGuy83]

Great reply.

So you don't really have an answer.

Got it.

Then you won't answer my questions.

But insist I answer yours.

You are a joke.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Anything else I can help you with, don't hesitate to ask.

Sure.

You haven't answered anything I've asked for yet.

But you keep trying.

 

[HikerGuy83]

God, who knows the end from the beginning, knew that Adam and Eve would fall. He even called a Savior before the foundation of the earth because he knew mankind would fall and need salvation. And like HikerGuy83 has stated, God placed Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve, God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden knowing full well that Adam and Eve would partake of it and fall. You would think that if God did not plan for the fall of Adam and Eve that he wouldn't allow Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve and he would not place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden so that it would bring about the fall. Finally, why would God call a Savior before the foundation of the world if he didn't already know and plan for the fall to occur? Yes, the fall of mankind was part of the plan of our Heavenly Father so that we could experience good and evil and become more like God himself.

1 Peter 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Well, don't hold your breath on a response that actually addresses your points.

In post #77, I spelled out his position.

1. God never intended for them to acquire that knowledge. But he still put the tree in the garden.
2. God never intended for them to acquire that knowledge. But he still allowed a fallen angel and the direct adversary of Christ to roam the garden unsupervised.
3. God never intended for them to acquire that knowldege. They would be innocent and ignorant for eternity. To what end you have not explained.
4. They were supposed to have children, but they didn't prior to the fall.
5. If they had never take that fruit, there would be no need for a Savior.

Point #5 was never addressed which you've noted was actually foreordained before the world was created.

But Adam and Eve were never going to sin and neither were their children (which, if you think about it, is completely ridiculous given that our first parents ate). If it wasn't them, it was going to be someone.

And why did they eat? Because she wanted to be wise. I guess she was what ????

 

[HikerGuy83]

He wants mankind to choose to be with him

First, that is never explictely stated.

Second, why did he even bother to create Adam and Eve?

I asked the net and got:

• To Reflect His Image: Humans are made in God's image, which signifies their inherent value and ability to mirror God's nature.
  
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• For Intimate Fellowship: God desired a warm and open relationship with humanity, setting mankind apart from other creations.
  
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• For His Pleasure: According to Revelation 4:11, God created all things for His glory and pleasure.
  
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• To Build His Kingdom: Each person is designed with unique gifts and abilities to contribute to God's Kingdom.
  
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  These points highlight the theological perspectives on the purpose of human creation.

This is weak sauce on a cold day. There is nothing in those answers that truly states why we were created.

 

[HikerGuy83]

God didn't create robots.

Yeah, he might as well have created little shiatzu puppies the way you portray it.

 

[DukeU]

God, who knows the end from the beginning, knew that Adam and Eve would fall. He even called a Savior before the foundation of the earth because he knew mankind would fall and need salvation. And like HikerGuy83 has stated, God placed Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve, God placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden knowing full well that Adam and Eve would partake of it and fall. You would think that if God did not plan for the fall of Adam and Eve that he wouldn't allow Satan on the earth to tempt Adam and Eve and he would not place the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden so that it would bring about the fall. Finally, why would God call a Savior before the foundation of the world if he didn't already know and plan for the fall to occur? Yes, the fall of mankind was part of the plan of our Heavenly Father so that we could experience good and evil and become more like God himself.

1 Peter 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Again.

God did not create robots even though he could have.

He created spiritual beings with a free will.

 

[DukeU]

Yeah, he might as well have created little shiatzu puppies the way you portray it.

Still can't find a scripture, eh?

 

[toobfreak]

or does this just mean ... a long time?

Sounds a little too specific to be a generalization.

 

[DukeU]

Well, don't hold your breath on a response that actually addresses your points.

In post #77, I spelled out his position.

1. God never intended for them to acquire that knowledge. But he still put the tree in the garden.
2. God never intended for them to acquire that knowledge. But he still allowed a fallen angel and the direct adversary of Christ to roam the garden unsupervised.
3. God never intended for them to acquire that knowldege. They would be innocent and ignorant for eternity. To what end you have not explained.
4. They were supposed to have children, but they didn't prior to the fall.
5. If they had never take that fruit, there would be no need for a Savior.

Point #5 was never addressed which you've noted was actually foreordained before the world was created.

But Adam and Eve were never going to sin and neither were their children (which, if you think about it, is completely ridiculous given that our first parents ate). If it wasn't them, it was going to be someone.

And why did they eat? Because she wanted to be wise. I guess she was what ????

15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 

[toobfreak]

17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

OK, point of question now. Was the Tree of Knowledge literally the tree of all knowledge of both good and evil, or merely just the tree of knowledge of the /DIFFERENCE/ between good and evil?

 

[onefour1]

Again.

God did not create robots even though he could have.

He created spiritual beings with a free will.

You are correct that he didn't create robots and did create being with free will. However, God knowing the end from the beginning knew what Adam and Eve would do with their free will when tempted by Satan. He knew the would partake of the forbidden fruit way before he even placed them on earth in the Garden of Eden. And this why he called a Savior before the foundation of this earth also because he knew in advance that they would eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and fall.

Now even though God knew that Adam and Eve would fall even before he created the earth, He still went ahead and allowed Satan to be on the earth and allowed Satan to tempt them. And even though God knew about the fall before placing Adam and Eve in the Garden, He still placed the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the Garden and commanded them not to partake of it and told them if they did they would surely die.

You would think that if God absolutely did not want Adam and Eve to fall, He could have avoided it by never sending Satan to this earth and never placing the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden with his associated commandment. So, knowing in advance that they would fall, God went ahead and placed Satan on earth to tempt them and He also put the tree in the garden knowing full well that they would go against his commandment and fall. Doesn't this come across as illogical if God did not want them to fall? He knew in advance they would fall and yet went ahead and made sure that Satan was there to tempt them and that the tree and commandment was there knowing full well they would succumb to the temptation and fall.

I suggest to you that God wanted mankind to go through a fallen world and learn good from evil by experiencing it directly. He even called and foreordained a Savior before the foundation of the world and before Adam and Eve had even fallen. He planned ahead for the fall!! He knew and expected it to occur and even placed Satan and tree on earth to make sure it would happen. The fall of man was part of the plan for mankind to advance and become more like God. The salvation of mankind was also part of the overall plan.

Genesis 3:22
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

1 Peter 1:19-20
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,