Zone1 did Adam live for 930 years and Noah for 950 years?

[Concerned American]

I guess that's an acceptable answer then as that's mine as well.



You were two in biblical times? How old are you anyways!?

I don't know how old Meister is, but I heard his SS# is 6.

 

[DukeU]

How could they have free will if they didn't know the difference between good and evil?

They chose to disobey God because that was the path forward. There wasn't going to be any multiplying and replenishing without that knowledge.

More importantly, there would be no way to demonstrate actual faith.

Because God told them it was wrong with specific instruction.

Eating off that tree wasn't forward, it was completely against God's instruction and plan.

They didn't have to demonstrate faith, they knew God, he spoke with them personally.

The knowledge of evil made it possible to multiply? How so?

Genesis 1​

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day

 

[HikerGuy83]

Because God told them it was wrong with specific instruction.

He told them if they ate from it, they would die.

If they didn't eat from it....they would live how long?

Eating off that tree wasn't forward, it was completely against God's instruction and plan.

And what plan was that?

The one where he puts a tree in their midst he doesn't want the eat from....even though they don't know good from evil? Which they didn't....hence "choice" is a meaningless word in the context of them chosing to eat.

Or the one where Satan is allowed into the Garden.

Please explain the plan to which you refer.

They didn't have to demonstrate faith, they knew God, he spoke with them personally.

Once gain, they didn't know good from Evil. They didn't understand the opposition represented in the choices we face.

But absent that, James tells us that even the devils know and believe. BTW: Where did the devils come from?

Cain also spoke with God. To what end?

The knowledge of evil made it possible to multiply? How so?

Do you know of any children prior to Adam's fall?

 

[ding]

LoL! I'm amused by the god botherers.

You guys are so predictably easy.

I see it the other way around. You aren't at peace.

 

[DukeU]

He told them if they ate from it, they would die.

If they didn't eat from it....they would live how long?

Forever.

And what plan was that?

The one where he puts a tree in their midst he doesn't want the eat from....even though they don't know good from evil? Which they didn't....hence "choice" is a meaningless word in the context of them chosing to eat.

Or the one where Satan is allowed into the Garden.

Please explain the plan to which you refer.

Better yet.

Genesis 1​

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Once gain, they didn't know good from Evil. They didn't understand the opposition represented in the choices we face.

They didn't know good from evil because up until they disobeyed God there was no evil on Earth. They did know that eating from that tree was forbidden though because God told them.

Do you know of any children prior to Adam's fall?

LOL

Why did God tell them to be fruitful and multiply if they couldn't?

 

[Concerned American]

LOL

Why did God tell them to be fruitful and multiply if they couldn't?

I was thinking the same thing. LOL, and if you can't have sex, who wants to live forever?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Better yet.

There is nothing better about it.

They live forever in a semi-heavenly state and have kids who have kids (which they didn't do while they were in that state....just sayin').

So what is the purpose?

Kinda like the "Good Place".

They didn't know good from evil because up until they disobeyed God there was no evil on Earth. They did know that eating from that tree was forbidden though because God told them.

There was no opposition without the opposing choices that knowledge would bring. How do you demonstrate who you are ? How do you grow? What was the point?

Why did God tell them to be fruitful and multiply if they couldn't?

They could. They just had to eat the fruit to do it.

 

[DukeU]

There is nothing better about it.

They live forever in a semi-heavenly state and have kids who have kids (which they didn't do while they were in that state....just sayin').

So what is the purpose?

Kinda like the "Good Place".

I posted scripture that I base my beliefs on. Do you have scripture to back up what you believe?

In the beginning a perfect Earth was created for mankind to live on forever, and it started with 2 people. They were to fill the Earth and have fellowship with their creator along with the generations to follow.

In the end God will return this Earth back to its original perfect state and those that have believed and repented will live here for eternity, just as God intended in the beginning.

Here is the scripture again.

Genesis 1​

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

There was no opposition without the opposing choices that knowledge would bring. How do you demonstrate who you are ? How do you grow? What was the point?

Without sin there was no need to demonstrate who they were. God knew who they were, a perfect creation.

They could. They just had to eat the fruit to do it.

Back that up with scripture.......Please.

 

[zaangalewa]

or does this just mean ... a long time?

Or does this just mean something like "the guy 'Carolus Magnus' lives since ~1268 years"? (Because Carolus Magnus is the Christian refounder of the Western World, of "Rome", and we are all spiritual children of this act of history).

By the way: I do not say this because it is true or wrong - I say such things because it is really boring how the people in the post modern world are speaking endlessly always the same nonsense and think this are their own ideas.

And another comment: When people used in former times a number like "1000" then this means in the words of today "gogol" (=uncountable). Example: The fairy tales from "1001 nights" are fairy tales from an uncountable time + 1 day = from a never ending time. Not to forget : Shehezerade was a "prisoner" and always in danger to be killed. She talked to survive. Her nights had been damned dark and hard nights and not romantic nights - while she had to be on her own the only lonesome light.

 

[HikerGuy83]

In the beginning a perfect Earth was created for mankind to live on forever, and it started with 2 people.

Uh, I don't see that anywhere in Genesis.

 

[DukeU]

Uh, I don't see that anywhere in Genesis.

You're kidding right?

 

[HikerGuy83]

You're kidding right?

No.

 

[DukeU]

No.

You obviously haven't read Genisis.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You obviously haven't read Genisis.

What did I miss.

God creates Adam and Eve.

He tells them not to eat of the fruit or they will die (become mortal).

They have no knowlege of good and evil. They don't have children. Even though they were commanded to do so.

They eat the fruit. The statement is made "they have become as one of us" (this was a bad thing?) knowing good and evil. Now, things are moving forward.

And they start having children.

That's a basic summary.

In the world I live in, this was a good thing. It allowed things to move forward. Yes, they sinned.....having been told the truth that eating the fruit would give them knowledge and they would understand good and evil.

BTW: You did I ask why God creates a perfect world and let's his fallen angel roam it freely?

 

[fncceo]

Adam lived in a world with just one other woman - his arranged wife.

Noah spent months in an RV with his family and a billion pets.

I’m sure it just seemed like a thousand years.

 

[DukeU]

What did I miss.

God creates Adam and Eve.

He tells them not to eat of the fruit or they will die (become mortal).

They have no knowlege of good and evil. They don't have children. Even though they were commanded to do so.

They eat the fruit. The statement is made "they have become as one of us" (this was a bad thing?) knowing good and evil. Now, things are moving forward.

And they start having children.

That's a basic summary.

In the world I live in, this was a good thing. It allowed things to move forward. Yes, they sinned.....having been told the truth that eating the fruit would give them knowledge and they would understand good and evil.

BTW: You did I ask why God creates a perfect world and let's his fallen angel roam it freely?

You are assuming they couldn't have children without first sinning?

That part you are completely pulling out of thin air, it simply isn't there.

Clearly, God created Heaven and Earth. Then created a man and woman and told them to be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth.

In no way was their sin "moving forward". It brought death into a perfect world.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You are assuming they couldn't have children without first sinning?

That part you are completely pulling out of thin air, it simply isn't there.

What we know:

Before the fall: No Children
After the fall: Children

What have you got ?

Clearly, God created Heaven and Earth.

Yes he did.

Then created a man and woman and told them to be fruitful and multiply and fill the Earth.

Which they did after eating the fruit and having their eyes opened.

In no way was their sin "moving forward".

They moved forward with having a family afterwards.

It was a transgression based on a choice. The serpent "decieved" in that he told them they would not die. He did tell them they would be as the gods knowing good and evil. Which they confirmed.

What I hear you saying is that:

1. God never intended for them to acquire that knowledge. But he still put the tree in the garden.
2. God never intended for them to acquire that knowledge. But he still allowed a fallen angel and the direct adversary of Christ to roam the garden unsupervised.
3. God never intended for them to acquire that knowldege. They would be innocent and ignorant for eternity. To what end you have not explained.
4. They were supposed to have children, but they didn't prior to the fall.
5. If they had never take that fruit, there would be no need for a Savior.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

or does this just mean ... a long time?

Fictional characters.

 

[DukeU]

What we know:

Before the fall: No Children
After the fall: Children

What have you got ?

I have Scripture.

Do you have any?

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Which they did after eating the fruit and having their eyes opened.

God told them NOT to eat the fruit.

So, they were told to be fruitful and multiply without eating the fruit.

What I hear you saying is that:

Not me.

The Bible.

 

[HikerGuy83]

I have Scripture.

Do you have any?

You don't have anything.

They didn't fullfill the command until after they fell.