Zone1 did Adam live for 930 years and Noah for 950 years?

[HikerGuy83]

No, I said it.

And it's not false.

Jesus was born perfect and died perfect.

He was without sin.

You still have not answered if he was even necessary sans Eve eating the fruit.

 

[DukeU]

This line of reasoning leads to the philosophical question of "Why didn't God just make us perfect with a perfect knowledge of good and evil so that we wouldn't need to experience this mortal life in the first place?". What are your thoughts regarding this question? If God didn't want us to sin, then why place Satan in the garden along with the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Answered already.

You can't have LOVE without free will.

 

[HikerGuy83]

If God didn't want us to sin, then why place Satan in the garden along with the tree of knowledge of good and evil and knowing full well that they would partake?

It's not so much Him wanting us to sin as it is about making choices with complete knowledge of what those choices bring. This is what Adam and Eve lacked prior to eating the fruit.

They were also commanded to multiply and replenish the earth. Something that didn't happen until after expulsion from the garden. I guess they were too busy doing....doing.....uh....doing what to have kids.

And may be you can try your hand at answering the question regarding the Tree of Life.

If God didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the fruit of the tree because they would die.....why not have them eat of the tree of life spoken of at the end of Genesis 3 and become immortal again.

Did he NOT want them being as He was, knowing good from evil?

Someone else won't answer that question.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Answered already.

You can't have LOVE without free will.

That claim is ridiculous in that Adam and Eve would not have known love except as a small child knows love.

True devotion was not possible without the knowledge afforded them by eating of the tree.

Still looking for that answer on if Christ was necessary with no fruit poaching.

 

[DukeU]

You still have not answered if he was even necessary sans Eve eating the fruit.

You have a lot of questions about the Bible.

2 Timothy chapter 2​

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

[HikerGuy83]

You have a lot of questions about the Bible.

Which you have made no attempt to answer.

Especially in the context of your fairy tale.

Maybe you should look in the mirror.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

 

[onefour1]

Answered already.

You can't have LOVE without free will.

You need to consider that if God created mankind as a perfect being that he could still give them free will and as a perfect being with free will they would choose with their free will to always choose the good over the evil. So why didn't he do that?

 

[DukeU]

Which you have made no attempt to answer.

Especially in the context of your fairy tale.

Maybe you should look in the mirror.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

Yes, there is a lot you can learn.

Keep reading, you'll get there.

 

[DukeU]

You need to consider that if God created mankind as a perfect being that he could still give them free will and as a perfect being with free will they would choose with their free will to always choose the good over the evil. So why didn't he do that?

That would be a robot.

 

[onefour1]

It's not so much Him wanting us to sin as it is about making choices with complete knowledge of what those choices bring. This is what Adam and Eve lacked prior to eating the fruit.

They were also commanded to multiply and replenish the earth. Something that didn't happen until after expulsion from the garden. I guess they were too busy doing....doing.....uh....doing what to have kids.

And may be you can try your hand at answering the question regarding the Tree of Life.

If God didn't want Adam & Eve to eat the fruit of the tree because they would die.....why not have them eat of the tree of life spoken of at the end of Genesis 3 and become immortal again.

Did he NOT want them being as He was, knowing good from evil?

Someone else won't answer that question.

I imagine that God did allow Adam and Eve to eat from the tree of life before they had fallen. They were immortal in the garden until they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God commanded them not to eat of it and after eating of it they had sinned against God. Thus if they partook of the tree of life at that time they would have been immortal and in sin. To allow them to receive the gospel and repent before being able to partake of the tree of life, God guarded them from partaking of the tree of life. God's purpose was for them to go through a mortal probation to learn good from evil and learn to overcome sin. As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, this very thing is discussed in the Book of Mormon. (see Alma 42 of the Book of Mormon)

 

[onefour1]

That would be a robot.

No it wouldn't. If God has the power to create you any way he chooses, then why choose to create an imperfect being over a perfect being and give either choice free will to choose. No robot to it. God himself is a perfect being and he has free will. Do you consider God to be a robot?

 

[DukeU]

No it wouldn't. If God has the power to create you any way he chooses, then why choose to create an imperfect being over a perfect being and give either choice free will to choose. No robot to it. God himself is a perfect being and he has free will. Do you consider God to be a robot?

He didn't create an imperfect being.

Besides, he created many things that have no choice. Trees being one example.

He wanted a being he could have a relationship with and one who would choose to love him.

 

[toobfreak]

1. Yes, I believe it was just knowledge there was good and evil.

In other words, the tree was knowledge of the nature of there being a good aspect and evil aspect to things in life, not just the general knowledge of all things both good and evil.

2. No, he clearly made a distinction between what could and couldn't be eaten.

To Adam though. Eve had not even been created yet out of the rib. Seems odd, why not wait until Eve was created then tell them both together of something so important? And what became of this tree after thousands others had been born, Can, Able, et al.--- are they all forbidden from this tree as well too? So why then even have the tree, what is its purpose?

3. Adam and Eve are still alive?

Well, biblical scholars estimate that Moses wrote Genesis about 1600 BC, some say. Adam would have died somewhere around the year 650 BC then.

 

[onefour1]

He didn't create an imperfect being.

Besides, he created many things that have no choice. Trees being one example.

He wanted a being he could have a relationship with and one who would choose to love him.

If Adam and Eve were perfect, then why did they transgress the command of God to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? No, you are wrong. They were imperfect beings who fell.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, their transgression would bring death into the world. That was the consequence of eating of the tree.

So, eating of the tree took humanity from a state of purity and immortality to a state of impurity and mortality.

At the same time, their "eyes were opened". Now just what that means in terms of pre-fruit vs post-fruit hasn't been explained by our resident stuck-on-Genesis blatherings.

Probably means cognizant, realization.

What didn't they know prior to the fruit. What kind of life was that.

Let's hope Gurney's didn't get a hold of some of the seeds to grow yet more of those trees!

 

[Carl in Michigan]

did you stand when he was bathing.

No, I laid on the couch scrolling my phone

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If Adam and Eve were perfect, then why did they transgress the command of God to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil? No, you are wrong. They were imperfect beings who fell.

They were created perfect. But they were given choices

Satan was also created perfect

 

[Crepitus]

Months of the year were mentioned as early as Exodus 2 and we know from the following verse that there were 12 months in the year.


Esther 3:7
In the first month, that is, the month Nisan, in the twelfth year of king Ahasuerus, they cast Pur, that is, the lot, before Haman from day to day, and from month to month, to the twelfth month, that is, the month Adar.


Exodus 12:2
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

Except that historically there were not. Julies Cesar implemented the 12 month calendar back in something like 40 BC

 

[Crepitus]

They were created perfect. But they were given choices

Satan was also created perfect

If they chose wrongly they weren't all that perfect then, were they.

 

[DukeU]

To Adam though. Eve had not even been created yet out of the rib. Seems odd, why not wait until Eve was created then tell them both together of something so important? And what became of this tree after thousands others had been born, Can, Able, et al.--- are they all forbidden from this tree as well too? So why then even have the tree, what is its purpose?

She obviously knew what God said.

Genesis 3​

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.



The tree was representation of sin. Its purpose was to give them choice between good and evil, or in other words, choose to obey God's instruction.

Yes, all people have instruction from God to avoid sin and accept him.