Could A Past President Become Vice President?

[toobfreak]

If he could get the two term limit rescinded before election time, I’d say, great. I’d vote for him yet again.

I've seen Trump looking pretty ragged, even dozing off in meetings---- now it very well is likely it was his 6th hours long meeting of the day and people are throwing 700 decisions and big problems at him left and right. Then there are the phones calls-- the president of this country, or Pakistan calling with the latest message from Iran--- I get that, he has every right to be exhausted, but he also has another three years to go. I think that by January of 2029, Trump will be very ready to retire. And after essentially FOURTEEN YEARS of TrumpTrumpTrump 24 hours a day, I'm ready to move on and the Democrats will be just thrilled.

But I sure as hell don’t want any President to be “appointed.”

If I ran the GOP, after whipping their asses in the midterms, I would have Speaker Johnson announce the GOP has unilaterally rescinded the two-term clause and that Trump is announcing his intent to come back for a 3rd & 4th term!

Then let them stew on it for 24 hours letting their hair turn white before admitting it was just an April Fool's joke.

 

[DonGlock26]

proof how weird you people are, especially when you attempt to deny being in a cult-of-personality

 

[WorldWatcher]

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

There is a difference between being eligible to "hold" the office and being eligible to be "voted into" office.

The requirements to HOLD the Office of Presidentent are (Art II, Sect 1) are:

• 35 Years of Age
• 14 Years a Resident
• Natural Born CItizen

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The age requirement to be a Representatiive is 25. Theoretically, someone could be elected at age 30 to be a Representative, then selected as Speaker of the House (SOH). If something happend to BOTH the President and Vice President, the SOH is 3rd inline. But is ineligible to HOLD the office so it then passes to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate. The SOH is skipped because he's not eligible to HOLD office.

The 22nd Amendment is a limitation on being eligible to be ELECTED to offfice. "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once." Based on the text of the amendment it does not preclude being ELECTED a Representative, selected for the position of SOH, and then assuming the Office of the President if both the Presidential and Vice Presidential offices are vacated (death, resignation, impeachment).

The argument is that the 22nd limites being elected, not "holding" the office.

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And that means that Trump could , therefore, be elected VP. He is not eligible to run for his own third term. But he certainly is eligible for a half a term.

He's not eligible to be President, so he can't be VP.

 

[Invisibleflash]

I've heard different answers for this. Me personally, I love Trump's policies but I'm sick and tired of his mouth. However, I wouldn't really complain if he could become vice president either. Although I'm really hoping for a Vance and Rubio ticket in 2028.

If Trump did become VP, it would be agreed upon he would run things. Or there are other things Trump could do; like declare an emergency and not have elections. All it takes is the military to back him.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is a difference between being eligible to "hold" the office and being eligible to be "voted into" office.

The requirements to HOLD the Office of Presidentent are (Art II, Sect 1) are:

• 35 Years of Age
• 14 Years a Resident
• Natural Born CItizen

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

The age requirement to be a Representatiive is 25. Theoretically, someone could be elected at age 30 to be a Representative, then selected as Speaker of the House (SOH). If something happend to BOTH the President and Vice President, the SOH is 3rd inline. But is ineligible to HOLD the office so it then passes to the President Pro Tempore of the Senate. The SOH is skipped because he's not eligible to HOLD office.

The 22nd Amendment is a limitation on being eligible to be ELECTED to offfice. "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once." Based on the text of the amendment it does not preclude being ELECTED a Representative, selected for the position of SOH, and then assuming the Office of the President if both the Presidential and Vice Presidential offices are vacated (death, resignation, impeachment).

The argument is that the 22nd limites being elected, not "holding" the office.

WW

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

 

[TNHarley]

If they served one term, yes.

It may be possible for a one term president.

But after two terms? Hypothetically, if the former President serves as VP for over two full years without the passing of the new president, then maybe the former President could finish the dead president’s final two years.

And you supposedly were a lawyer?
12th amendment = "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

 

[WorldWatcher]

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

There are only 3 constitutional requirements to "BE" President:

• Age 35 or over
• 14 Years a Resident
• Natual Born Citizen.

What you quoted is a requirement to be "ELECTED" President, however there is another path to becoming the President without being elected to that office. That being elected to another office and assuming the Presidency via a vacancy.

Not saying I agree with it, nor that I want it to happen. But if you look at the wording of the text, it's not a slam dunk.

Will it happen with Trump? No. Would it be interesting to see Trump v. Obama in an election? You bet.

WW

 

[Lesh]

I've heard different answers for this. Me personally, I love Trump's policies but I'm sick and tired of his mouth. However, I wouldn't really complain if he could become vice president either. Although I'm really hoping for a Vance and Rubio ticket in 2028.

No. A VPs only job is to become Prez if the current one leaves office. If he’s not eligible for that he’s not eligible

 

[WorldWatcher]

No. A VPs only job is to become Prez if the current one leaves office. If he’s not eligible for that he’s not eligible

If he's (the VP) age 35, 14 years a resident, and a Natural Born Citizen he's eligible as that is also the requirement to be elected VP.

See post #83.

WW

 

[TNHarley]

There are only 3 constitutional requirements to "BE" President:

• Age 35 or over
• 14 Years a Resident
• Natual Born Citizen.

What you quoted is a requirement to be "ELECTED" President, however there is another path to becoming the President without being elected to that office. That being elected to another office and assuming the Presidency via a vacancy.

Not saying I agree with it, nor that I want it to happen. But if you look at the wording of the text, it's not a slam dunk.

Will it happen with Trump? No. Would it be interesting to see Trump v. Obama in an election? You bet.

WW

You would be right if the 22nd didnt exist.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You would be right if the 22nd didnt exist.

The 22nd limits being elected into office, it does not address qualifications to hold the office.

To quote the relevant part: "No person shall be elected to the office..." (emphasis added)

WW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are only 3 constitutional requirements to "BE" President:

• Age 35 or over
• 14 Years a Resident
• Natual Born Citizen.

What you quoted is a requirement to be "ELECTED" President, however there is another path to becoming the President without being elected to that office. That being elected to another office and assuming the Presidency via a vacancy.

Not saying I agree with it, nor that I want it to happen. But if you look at the wording of the text, it's not a slam dunk.

Will it happen with Trump? No. Would it be interesting to see Trump v. Obama in an election? You bet.

WW

What you quoted is a requirement to be "ELECTED" President

Is he eligible to be elected to another term?

 

[TNHarley]

The 22nd limits being elected into office, it does not address qualifications to hold the office.

To quote the relevant part: "No person shall be elected to the office..." (emphasis added)

WW

If you cant run for president because you already served 2 terms, you are not eligible to be president.
1+1 =2.

 

[BackAgain]

If I ran the GOP, after whipping their asses in the midterms, I would have Speaker Johnson announce the GOP has unilaterally rescinded the two-term clause

Of course the Constitutional Amendment can only be rescinded via another Constitutional Amendment. So, it would take a lot more than a simple congressional action by the GOP majority.

and that Trump is announcing his intent to come back for a 3rd & 4th term!

If the repeal of the two term limit itself gets approved.

Then let them stew on it for 24 hours letting their hair turn white before admitting it was just an April Fool's joke.

Evil.

I kinda like it.

 

[BackAgain]

He's not eligible to be President, so he can't be VP.

He is eligible to be President for two more years. But it cannot be via getting elected. He cannot get elected to a full third term. He can’t get elected President. But he can be President.

 

[BackAgain]

If they served one term, yes.

And you supposedly were a lawyer?
12th amendment = "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Not supposedly. But also beside the point.

That provision does NOT say he isn’t eligible.

It simply says that one who IS ineligible can’t be the VP.

I’m not suggesting it will happen. This whole thread is basically just hypothetical. But the Constitution only says what it says.

There remains that two year loophole. And that loophole would be the basis for allowing Trump to run as a VP candidate.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He is eligible to be President for two more years. But it cannot be via getting elected. He cannot get elected to a full third term. He can’t get elected President. But he can be President.

How does he get to be President again without being elected Vice-President?

 

[TNHarley]

Not supposedly. But also beside the point.

That provision does NOT say he isn’t eligible.

It simply says that one who IS ineligible can’t be the VP.

I’m not suggesting it will happen. This whole thread is basically just hypothetical. But the Constitution only says what it says.

There remains that two year loophole. And that loophole would be the basis for allowing Trump to run as a VP candidate.

Having 2 terms makes you ineligible. I dont see a loophole there.

 

[Lesh]

If he's (the VP) age 35, 14 years a resident, and a Natural Born Citizen he's eligible as that is also the requirement to be elected VP.

See post #83.

WW

Not if he has been elected twice already