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A dark place, such as in the belly of a fish/whale.It is easy for a Sunday School teacher to work with the story of Jonah. Ask a student for an example the last time their parent told them to do something they did not want to do and they disobeyed. This progresses to dark feelings and dark times--which is what happened when Jonah told God he didn't want to do something. He landed in deep waters and ended up in a dark place. It took him about three days to "see the light" and understand obeying God (or a parent) brings one out of dark times.
This couldn't be farther from the truth. You'd be hard pressed to link to one of her posts that supports this because there aren't any.He knows that but doesn't attempt to offer anything better so far. His replies give the impression that he doesn't believe that evidence can be asked for, but instead tells us that we should seek the god?
I take it you are not after a relationship with God? After that, it has been my experience that the moral Laws of God as well as the Beatitudes and other teachings of Jesus has been a blessed way through this life. I do not see religion as a path to heaven, but as a path through this life. It has been my guide and it has been worthwhile and a blessed way to travel through the difficulties we stumble into in our present life. Experiencing God has been the icing on that cake.What is left of Christianity for us to believe? It's a serious question.
If that's what you claim then I'll accept it as the truth.Old news. That occurred in my grandmother's time.
Do you know who Pierre Teilhard de Chardin is? He was a Jesuit paleontologist who worked to understand evolution and faith. He was part of the 1929 team that discovered "Peking Man."Old news. That occurred in my grandmother's time.
I only offering a Bible verse: Seek and you shall find. That is what I did. If you think I can take you by the hand and lead you, I did not learn that verse. The verse says seek--and that is what I did. The verse did not tell me to wait around for someone else to lead me--so I did not wait.And I'm fine too if you have nothing to offer.
Her? Meriweather?This couldn't be farther from the truth. You'd be hard pressed to link to one of her posts that supports this because there aren't any.
Be an atheist. No one cares if you are an atheist. Go be happy.
The Phenomenon of Man (French: Le phénomène humain) is an essay by the French geologist, paleontologist, philosopher, and Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. In this work, Teilhard describes evolution as a process that leads to increasing complexity, culminating in the unification of consciousness. The text was written in the 1930s, but it achieved publication only posthumously, in 1955.If that's what you claim then I'll accept it as the truth.
If it isn't true then it presents no threat in accepting it.
And it's probably unfair to ask for a quote from 50, 70, 80 years ago?
How did you seek? What did you do?I only offering a Bible verse: Seek and you shall find. That is what I did. If you think I can take you by the hand and lead you, I did not learn that verse. The verse says seek--and that is what I did. The verse did not tell me to wait around for someone else to lead me--so I did not wait.
I find it instructive, if one studies the original Hebrew. For example, in the Hebrew language, the word translated as 'day' often meant a long, unspecified period of time with a beginning and an end. The English could equally have been interpreted as, "In the first eon of time..."Tell me? Was 'creation' not intended to be taken literally?
You don't know the first thing about me other than you are biased towards me because of my faith. But I can assure you that I have forgotten more science than you know. So be careful where you step, you just might find yourself called out in the Bull Ring to prove that.Her? Meriweather?
Lots of people care. Caring is most likely above your mental pay grade.
Atheists have nothing in common but a rejection of the god.
We do have something in common with Christians in that we accept *Darwinian evolution too!
*(a very small % of atheists excepted)
A swing and a miss.The Phenomenon of Man (French: Le phénomène humain) is an essay by the French geologist, paleontologist, philosopher, and Jesuit priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. In this work, Teilhard describes evolution as a process that leads to increasing complexity, culminating in the unification of consciousness. The text was written in the 1930s, but it achieved publication only posthumously, in 1955.
The Phenomenon of Man - Wikipedia
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Exactly. It's not our job. It's theirs. At the end of the day atheism is an intellectual dead end. It requires zero effort or intellect to believe.I only offering a Bible verse: Seek and you shall find. That is what I did. If you think I can take you by the hand and lead you, I did not learn that verse. The verse says seek--and that is what I did. The verse did not tell me to wait around for someone else to lead me--so I did not wait.
I don't think we have a meeting point here. For example, I believe the Beatitudes should be taken literally. I believe the Lord's Prayer should be taken literally.Would you like to move on to a mutual understanding that nothing about Christianity is intended to be believed as the literal word of your god? Nothing?
I'll propose that to be our starting point.
You may find that you can work with me on Deism?
You don't know the first thing about me other than you are biased towards me because of my faith.
I'm not permitted to reply to off-topic remarks but I can at least tell you that you shouldn't be making unfounded claims for yourself, in that you compare your knowledge with mine.But I can assure you that I have forgotten more science than you know.
Atheists aren't expected to believe. Ours is strictly in not believing.Exactly. It's not our job. It's theirs. At the end of the day atheism is an intellectual dead end. It requires zero effort or intellect to believe.
This is such typical behavior. I get that the RCC accepting evolution upsets your apple cart, but it is indeed a fact. Why wouldn't they? Science has shown the universe was created from nothing which is in accordance with the Catholic and Jewish belief of Creatio ex nihilo. Genesis perfectly captured the creation and evolution of the universe 6,000 years before science confirmed it.A swing and a miss.
You were the one who didn't care. Now you expect to be able to slither back into favour? It's not that easy!
Apply yourself to the challenge and find us some evidence of the church accepting Darwinian evolution 50 plus years ago.
Can you tell me how the universe was created from nothing in great detail? I can. Can you tell me the different stages of the evolution of space and time? I can. I have had discussions with you before. I know exactly how science illiterate you are.I'm not permitted to reply to off-topic remarks but I can at least tell you that you shouldn't be making unfounded claims for yourself, in that you compare your knowledge with mine.
Exactly. A belief about nothing. A negation of a belief. Which is why you can't make a positive case for atheism. It's impossible to prove a negative. At least it is for you anyway.Atheists aren't expected to believe. Ours is strictly in not believing.
Well, my grandmother (a staunch Catholic) would be 113 years old today. It was her children (two of the three also staunch Catholics) who laughingly told us that whenever Grandma was asked if she believed humans evolved from monkeys, she always replied, "No we evolved from a fish." Eighty years ago, she would have been thirty-three, so I am guessing we can be confident it was an eighty-year-old quote.And it's probably unfair to ask for a quote from 50, 70, 80 years ago?
