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You think chefs don't bake? Let's see,.. starting with #20:
Shall I continue?
Yes, they bake but they are not bakers.
Funny that you give a link to a potato recipe and think that is baking.
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You think chefs don't bake? Let's see,.. starting with #20:
Shall I continue?
It is legal. Nobody has said it is not.
This is just one more stupid strawman
Then if the baker won’t bake the cake for the straight same sex heterosexual couple (which, by the way, would not even be a sin to him since, by their very nature, would not involve same sex intercourse) the he is not discriminating, he simply does not carry the desired product.
Once again I am proving to be the most progressive, free thinking, poster on a thread.
He carries cakes with two colors of icing. That is all he was asked for.
Hey look, I fully support his right to say "no" I will not do that. I think PA laws are unconstitutional as well as protected classes.
But that does not remove the fact I think the baker is just an asshole that does not even understand his own religion.
Guy Fieri's baked potato recipe..Yes, they bake but they are not bakers.
Funny that you give a link to a potato recipe and think that is baking.
Absurd. Might as well go ahead and call the 14th Amendment unconstitutional.I think PA laws are unconstitutional as well as protected classes.
Shush, the grownups are talking.Still circulating the old tired
So why do you keep butting in?Shush, the grownups are talking.
So why do you keep butting in?
Because you keep waiving your arms like a five year old on a sugar rush when the grownups are talking about the issue.
Now shush, the grownups are talking about a serious issue.
He carries cakes with two colors of icing. That is all he was asked for.
Hey look, I fully support his right to say "no" I will not do that. I think PA laws are unconstitutional as well as protected classes.
But that does not remove the fact I think the baker is just an asshole that does not even understand his own religion.
My first red head had incredible boobs, every birthday I got a cake impression of them. She was mean, but I miss her.So if any given Baker makes Boob cakes, would that mean he must make male torso cakes ?
Violating / sacrificing your personal (religeous) beliefs, values, etc is 'doing the right thing'?
If there are other bakeries willing to do the job they should just go there.
But no baker, Catholic or Protestant, would ever say that, that's the thing. And they wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they did, because that would be discriminating on the basis of religion.
Or they can put them in the unemployment line, which they absolutely will if they are more trouble than they are worth. I mean, do you know how easy it is to fire someone?
Well, nowhere near the same. First, the company had other options, such as assigning another driver. If the two truck drivers were the only employees AND delivering beer was this company's only business AND they had been told this up front when they were hired, they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on.
Philips problem is that he already provides wedding cakes or specialty cakes. In the latter case, he was perfectly willing to sell the cake with blue frosting and pink dough, until he was told what it was going to be used for.
He has religious liberty. His business does not. His business is a public accommodation.
Going back to the Muslim Truckers, the point is, the company STILL had a contract to deliver beer to that customer. They would have been in breech of contract if the beer hadn't been delivered.
Similarly, he had an obligation as a public accommodation to provide the services he promised. Particularly in the latter case where he already agreed to bake the blue/pink cake.
But no baker, Catholic or Protestant, would ever say that, that's the thing. And they wouldn't have a leg to stand on if they did, because that would be discriminating on the basis of religion.
Or they can put them in the unemployment line, which they absolutely will if they are more trouble than they are worth. I mean, do you know how easy it is to fire someone?
And if you said so up front, you wouldn't have a problem.
The problem here is that Philips said, "Pink Cake with Blue Frosting, no problem". Until he found out that the customer was a transperson celebrating her transition. Whoops.
So, wouldn't opening as a Muslim bakery be equally or more offensive to Jesus?
Also wouldn't give him much defense, his previous business could still be sued.
The problem here is that Philips said, "Pink Cake with Blue Frosting, no problem". Until he found out that the customer was a transperson celebrating her transition. Whoops.
You really do have a point here. I don't give a flying fuck about your bronze age superstitions that you only selectively follow. Most of you would get stoned in a week if you had to live under actual bible law, and you know it.
Point is, if I go into a place of business that is being subsidized by my tax dollars, I should be able to get the services promised, period, end of sentence. I can't refuse to serve Mormons (as much as I despise them) because that would be a violation of THEIR rights to public accommodation. Gays deserve the same consideration. If your line of work brings you into contact with people you find morally objectionable, then find something else to do for a living.
Except that sort of thing would be taken down by Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Point was he discriminated, it doesn't matter if he did so because he had religious objections or he just thinks the butt sex is icky.
Not in the eyes of the law.
You really do have a point here. I don't give a flying fuck about your bronze age superstitions that you only selectively follow
Point is, if I go into a place of business that is being subsidized by my tax dollars
I can't refuse to serve Mormons (as much as I despise them) because that would be a violation of THEIR rights to public accommodation.
Except that sort of thing would be taken down by Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Point was he discriminated, it doesn't matter if he did so because he had religious objections or he just thinks the butt sex is icky.
And that’s perfectly fine. Some people have differing views and tolerances on religious practices, just as I’ve heard that some Muslims drink alcohol…. The point is, if someone chooses to observe a religious belief or chooses not to doesn’t mean that religious belief is not there.This is what Christianity has taught me.
Customer: I would like a pink cake with blue frosting to celebrate my transistion.
Baker: I can have that ready Thursday.
Customer: I'm here to pick up my oder.
Baker: Here you go. By they way, I see you live local. Do you happen to have a home church? If not, I would like to perhaps invite you to ours.
And that’s perfectly fine. Some people have differing views and tolerances on religious practices, just as I’ve heard that some Muslims drink alcohol…. The point is, if someone chooses to observe a religious belief or chooses not to doesn’t mean that religious belief is not there.
Who ran them off?I'm trying to understand a religious belief that believes in running people off. Is that really a Christian precept?