Court allows Christian baker Jack Phillips to sue Colorado for anti-religious hostility

[Silhouette]

So you admit choice only applies to things you support.

No, i think that consumer disputes should be resolved in the favor of the consumer in most cases.

What your bosses did was get rid of an employee that was a liability. They gained far more by doing that.

They didn't do better after I left, they did a lot worse... Lost 60% of their employees and 70% of their business before they got bought up by a bigger company.

No, you admitted you only like choice when it comes to things you support. It's as clear as the cowardice in your posts.

Yet you've provided nothing to support those statements. Do you have any verifiable proof?

Well this case will no doubt call into evidence that the State of CO let gays refuse to accommodate messages offensive to the “chop your dick off & then you’re a girl” cult. Aka lgbt. While at the same time they punished the Christian baker for his 1st Amendment rights with fines & other oppressive tactics.

That is also by the way, the State of CO attempting to establish an official religion. A man cannot be a woman ever. So CO defending that is the same as their defending a belief.

 

[Rustic]

Forcing someone to do something for someone else is the protection of no one

Again, we do that all the time.

It's why you aren't experience explosive diarrhea from that restaurant you at ate yesterday. Someone MADE them follow the health codes.

Lol
The collective knows what’s best…

 

[Silhouette]

Forcing someone to do something for someone else is the protection of no one

Again, we do that all the time....It's why you aren't experience explosive diarrhea from that restaurant you at ate yesterday. Someone MADE them follow the health codes.

If health & safety are on your mind, what’s your take on the unsanitary & dangerous practice of men using another man’s colon & rectum as an artificial vagina? The sphincter damage. Leaking feces. Easily torn rectal walls & easy semen to bloodstream transfer putting “ bottoms at extreme risk for contracting HIV & spreading it to the general population?

 

[JoeB131]

After become deeply habitual, nobody really thinks the behavior of drug addiction is a choice either. Nevertheless it remains a behavior others aren't forced to promote.

Drug use is harmful... being gay isn't...

Hey, guy, one more time... Please tell me how other being gay affects YOU personally. Not society, not children.

YOU!

It doesn't.

That's your interpretation, not his. Does he need to put something like, "Congratulations Adam and Steve" on it? And yes, it's a matter of nuance, because that gay couple can come into the store, buy anything they want, get baked goods for all kinds of parties, etc. There's just one activity the baker doesn't want to celebrate with them. He's not treating them like second class citizens, he's discriminating against the "wedding" itself. Should a Jewish deli owner be forced to provide his best sandwiches for a KKK rally if he knows that's what they're for? I say no.

Why do you guys keep coming up with ridiculous comparisons like the KKK or drug users.

If the baker doesn't want to sell products to gays, there's a simple solution to that for him.

 

[JoeB131]

If health & safety are on your mind, what’s your take on the unsanitary & dangerous practice of men using another man’s colon & rectum as an artificial vagina? The sphincter damage. Leaking feces. Easily torn rectal walls & easy semen to bloodstream transfer putting “ bottoms at extreme risk for contracting HIV & spreading it to the general population?

YOu do realize that 35% of straight people engage in anal, right?

Meanwhile, 50% of gays don't. (Lesbians)

So there are more straight people doing anal than gay people, given the pure numbers.

 

[JoeB131]

No, you admitted you only like choice when it comes to things you support. It's as clear as the cowardice in your posts.

Yet you've provided nothing to support those statements. Do you have any verifiable proof?

Sure... if you look up the company, you'd see that was in their history.

 

[hadit]

After become deeply habitual, nobody really thinks the behavior of drug addiction is a choice either. Nevertheless it remains a behavior others aren't forced to promote.

Drug use is harmful... being gay isn't...

Hey, guy, one more time... Please tell me how other being gay affects YOU personally. Not society, not children.

YOU!

It doesn't.

That's your interpretation, not his. Does he need to put something like, "Congratulations Adam and Steve" on it? And yes, it's a matter of nuance, because that gay couple can come into the store, buy anything they want, get baked goods for all kinds of parties, etc. There's just one activity the baker doesn't want to celebrate with them. He's not treating them like second class citizens, he's discriminating against the "wedding" itself. Should a Jewish deli owner be forced to provide his best sandwiches for a KKK rally if he knows that's what they're for? I say no.

Why do you guys keep coming up with ridiculous comparisons like the KKK or drug users.

If the baker doesn't want to sell products to gays, there's a simple solution to that for him.

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That's exactly what you leftists really want, Christians to just shut up and go away.

And again, you demonstrate your lack of nuance. Present evidence the baker "didn't want to sell products to gays". You can't, because that's not what's going on. He doesn't want to have anything to do with a gay "wedding". Show us where he refuses gay customers. You can't, because that's not what's going on.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Forcing someone to do something for someone else is the protection of no one

That may be true. But then again a group of small town merchants in the Deep South might decide they won’t serve blacks.

So a distinction will be made by the Court between discrimination based on static qualities like race or gender vs behavioral such as religious or cult ideals & rituals. This means the gay graphic designer can refuse to print a billboard for a Christian client that says “homosexuality is a sin unto God”. And the Christian baker can refuse to design a gay wedding cake.

Really not fond of laws being imposed based on a hypothetical of what "might" happen. I also find it very hard to imagine that someone wouldn't take a look at such a situation, see the profit possibilities in that community, and open a business to corner the unserved black population. If I lived there, I sure as hell would.

 

[JoeB131]

That's exactly what you leftists really want, Christians to just shut up and go away.

Yes, that would be nice. Or actually do the stuff Jesus said about caring about poor people, instead of hating on gays which he didn't talk about at all.

And again, you demonstrate your lack of nuance. Present evidence the baker "didn't want to sell products to gays". You can't, because that's not what's going on. He doesn't want to have anything to do with a gay "wedding". Show us where he refuses gay customers. You can't, because that's not what's going on.

All he's doing is selling them the cake. He isn't "Participating".

What he wants is the right to discriminate... and that's a no-go.

 

[JoeB131]

Really not fond of laws being imposed based on a hypothetical of what "might" happen. I also find it very hard to imagine that someone wouldn't take a look at such a situation, see the profit possibilities in that community, and open a business to corner the unserved black population. If I lived there, I sure as hell would.

If the racists succeeded in being able to refuse blacks, they'd probably burn down the business that did in short order.

Or where you not paying attention when they lynched uppity whites in the South that helped register black folks to vote.

 

[hadit]

That's exactly what you leftists really want, Christians to just shut up and go away.

Yes, that would be nice. Or actually do the stuff Jesus said about caring about poor people, instead of hating on gays which he didn't talk about at all.

Oh yes, that would be nice. Declining to create art celebrating homosexuality is not "hating on gays", however.

And again, you demonstrate your lack of nuance. Present evidence the baker "didn't want to sell products to gays". You can't, because that's not what's going on. He doesn't want to have anything to do with a gay "wedding". Show us where he refuses gay customers. You can't, because that's not what's going on.

All he's doing is selling them the cake. He isn't "Participating".

What he wants is the right to discriminate... and that's a no-go.

Actually, he is participating if he's forced to write congratulatory messages on the cake, create a cute two man cake topper, etc. Note that you are unable to present evidence that he refuses to sell products to gay customers.

 

[Silhouette]

All he's doing is selling them the cake. He isn't "Participating".

What he wants is the right to discriminate... and that's a no-go.

Well state of CO allowed gays to not create products for Christians based on gays being offended by the messenging Christians requested about their ideals. Would you say that’s a no-go as well?

Should CO make gay bakers design a custom cake saying “homosexuality is a sin unto God”?

 

[JoeB131]

Oh yes, that would be nice. Declining to create art celebrating homosexuality is not "hating on gays", however.

Yes, it is. It's just a fucking cake, it isn't the fucking Mona Lisa.

And Jack the homophobe isn't Leonardo.

Actually, he is participating if he's forced to write congratulatory messages on the cake, create a cute two man cake topper, etc. Note that you are unable to present evidence that he refuses to sell products to gay customers.

Well, no he's not. Particpating is actually being at the ceremony and witnessing before the Sky Pixie and the State. Dropping off a cake at the reception hall before anyone gets there isn't "participating".

 

[JoeB131]

Well state of CO allowed gays to not create products for Christians based on gays being offended by the messenging Christians requested about their ideals. Would you say that’s a no-go as well?

Nope. Being a Homophobe is a choice. Since Christians themselves are in disagreement on homophobia, it's not protected.

 

[hadit]

Oh yes, that would be nice. Declining to create art celebrating homosexuality is not "hating on gays", however.

Yes, it is. It's just a fucking cake, it isn't the fucking Mona Lisa.

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And Jack the homophobe isn't Leonardo.

Actually, he is participating if he's forced to write congratulatory messages on the cake, create a cute two man cake topper, etc. Note that you are unable to present evidence that he refuses to sell products to gay customers.

Well, no he's not. Particpating is actually being at the ceremony and witnessing before the Sky Pixie and the State. Dropping off a cake at the reception hall before anyone gets there isn't "participating".

And he would sell them "just a cake", but that's not what they want. They want a celebratory gay "wedding" cake. Note that you are still unable to present evidence that he refuses to sell products to gay customers.

 

[hadit]

Oh yes, that would be nice. Declining to create art celebrating homosexuality is not "hating on gays", however.

Yes, it is. It's just a fucking cake, it isn't the fucking Mona Lisa.

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And Jack the homophobe isn't Leonardo.

Actually, he is participating if he's forced to write congratulatory messages on the cake, create a cute two man cake topper, etc. Note that you are unable to present evidence that he refuses to sell products to gay customers.

Well, no he's not. Particpating is actually being at the ceremony and witnessing before the Sky Pixie and the State. Dropping off a cake at the reception hall before anyone gets there isn't "participating".

Can an artist be forced to write things he finds abhorrent? That lies down that road. And if he wants no part of a gay "wedding", who are you to tell him what participating is and what it is not?

 

[Silhouette]

Well state of CO allowed gays to not create products for Christians based on gays being offended by the messenging Christians requested about their ideals. Would you say that’s a no-go as well?

Nope. Being a Homophobe is a choice. Since Christians themselves are in disagreement on homophobia, it's not protected.

Being gay is a choice too. A habit perhaps, but began as a choice.

You’re not going to win CO declaring the cult of “chop your dick off & then you’re a girl” a protected dogma you know. The Court already warned about this. Brace yourself.

You’re asking the Court to dissect what gay is & they are going to do that. You may not like the ripple effect of that request.

 

[JoeB131]

And he would sell them "just a cake", but that's not what they want. They want a celebratory gay "wedding" cake. Note that you are still unable to present evidence that he refuses to sell products to gay customers.

Don't have to. The fact he refused THIS request is proof enough.

The latest thing, where he was all okay with a pink cake with blue frosting until he found out it was for a trans person would also count as outright discrimination.

Being gay is a choice too. A habit perhaps, but began as a choice.

No, it isn't. Just because you are repressing your gay feelings didn't make it a choice. You're just repressed.

You’re not going to win CO declaring the cult of “chop your dick off & then you’re a girl” a protected dogma you know. The Court already warned about this. Brace yourself.

Which wasn't the issue here, but never mind. He agreed to make the case until he found out who it was for... which is discrimination.

You’re asking the Court to dissect what gay is & they are going to do that. You may not like the ripple effect of that request.

No, I asking the court to enforce the laws that the people of Colorado voted for....

 

[Silhouette]

You’re asking the Court to dissect what gay is & they are going to do that. You may not like the ripple effect of that request.

No, I asking the court to enforce the laws that the people of Colorado voted for....

You can’t enforce arbitrary laws favoring behaviors/rituals/ideals over others.

You will see.

 

[JoeB131]

You can’t enforce arbitrary laws favoring behaviors/rituals/ideals over others.

You will see.

Yes, you've been predicting that the courts will start rolling back gay rights for how long now?

Frankly, if you last line of defense is "Cake Shops", you kind of already lost the war.