Funny, Joe thinks same sex means gay!
Shush, the grownups are talking.
We’ll, the point is, you want to cal out the baker for hate because he wouldn’t bake a cake for a gay wedding, I’m trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you might be able to show hypocrisy if they violated their religious beliefs for one situation and not another. But again, different religions view marriage and remarriage differently.
Sure they do. But the funny thing is, in most cases, they don't walk away from good money if they don't approve of the marriage. As I've pointed out, there's no religious purpose to a wedding cake. In fact, it is a pagan tradition that passed on to the Christian world. (Except the Romans baked their cakes in the shape of genitals to encourage fertility.)
The meme was meant to point out hypocrisy, or at least the absurdity of having different religions at different checkout stands. I was just saying they don’t have to work in a checkout stand, if doing so might violate their religious beliefs, but, at the end of the day, they work FOR a business that does sell hams and condoms, so, if they have an objection to either, they need to let the store know so they can be put somewhere where they won’t have to deal with either.
And Philips doesn't have to be a baker.
In regards to then truckers, you’re right, if the trucking company was contracted to haul the alcohol and the drivers were the only ones available, they would have to do it, but the company, if it has other means available, has to make a religious accommodation for the drivers. The fact that the trucking company didn’t make accommodation for their religious beliefs is why the court awarded the drivers the settlement.
To be fair, by the time the case wound it's way into the courts, the trucking company had gone out of business and there was no one to collect from or defend their position. Again, an individual might have a right to refuse to work, but a company does not, once it becomes a public accommodation.
So, if someone says “we want you to haul 38,000 pounds of products to a gay pride festival” the transporter could say that then hauling to that event would be like them being in support of that event and could refuse. Kind of like the Muslim truckers raising a religious objection to hauling alcohol, the trucking company could raise a religious objection to hauling items to a gay pride event.
Not really. The trucking company had no legal reason to refuse the beer run, and they signed a contract to do so.
However, it’s even more relevant for Phillips because he would be asked to be using his own personal talents to create something for the event, and he feels that puts him closer to the event than he feels his religion allows him to be.
So why doesn't he apply the same standards to divorce or people living together before marriage? Oh, that's right, that would mean he'd never make any money selling wedding cakes.
Again, the courts saw fit to side with the truckers when they claimed religious objection, why would it be any different for Phillips, especially since he’s not refusing business to gay people, just for a gay wedding.
Because a business doesn't have a religion. They were never suing Philips personally for being a homophobic bigot, they were suing Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. - A legal entity.
Yeah, and I don’t see the problem with that. He was willing to make them a cake, until they said it was for a transition ceremony.
As I’ve always stated, if a gay person walked into his shop and asked him to bake a cake for their birthday, and he said no, because he doesn’t serve gay people, then I’d agree with you, but if someone says they want him to bake a cake for a transition party, then Phillips has religious grounds to say that he cannot work in support of such a ceremony.
Well, no he doesn't, because Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. is a Public Accommodation.
