The New Testament's Demons Are as real As It Gets.

[onefour1]

The New Testament's Demons Are As Real As It Gets.
By JAG
August 31, 2021


They are bodiless spirits of fallen angels. They strongly desire to get
back inside a body ~ and the bodies of pigs will do just fine.

How can we be certain they are bodiless spirits? Because if they had
bodies of their own, they wouldn't be begging to be allowed to use the
bodies of pigs. "The demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs."
{Luke 8:32) (same in Mark 5:9-13}

Once upon a time I was puzzled reading about demons ~ in the New
Testament I mean. They also made me just a wee bit uneasy. Are demons
really real? The Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God, I never doubted
that, but we're living in modern times and there has to be some other
explanation. Wrong. Demons are as real as dogs, dolphins, and daffodils,
and here is what I think happened:

There was war in heaven. We know that. We've read about it in Rev. 12:7-9.

In that war . . .

Michael and his good angles killed the physical bodies of Satan and his evil
angels and sent their bodiless spirits hurling down to earth ~ where they now,
apparently crave above all else, to get back inside a body and they'll even beg
to be allowed to enter hogs if its that or nothing.

Let's take a minute and read Rev. 12:7-9 together:

"Then war broke out in Heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon,
and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they
lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled to the earth ~ that ancient
serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to
the earth, and his angels with him."

So there was War in Heaven . . .

And this is what Jesus said about that war:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven." {Luke 10:18}

In Rev. 12:9 the Apostle John said the same thing like this:

"Satan "was hurled down . . . He was hurled to the earth."

Jesus' disciples said to Him: "even the demons submit to us in Your name"
{Luke 10:17}. Upon hearing that Jesus immediately came back with "I saw
Satan fall like lightning from heaven." {Luke 10:18}

So?

So there is a direct connection between demons on the earth and that
War in Heaven where Satan was kicked out and hurled like lightning
to the earth.

Moreover . . .

Demons, now spirits without bodies, hate their present condition. They need
to occupy bodies so they can meaningfully interact with their surroundings.
They find living without a body to be extremely unpleasant.

And even pigs will do . . .

Again, "the demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs" {Luke 8:32}

And they actually did that.

Jesus gave them permission and then "they went into the pigs." {Luke 8:33}.

Being inside a body keeps them out of the Unpleasant Void. When they are not
occupying a body, they are in a place they don't want to be. They call it The Abyss.
"They begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. {Luke 8:31}
(The NIV capitalizes the word Abyss.) They're smart enough to avoid The Abyss, if
they can.

The New Testament's demons are persons with intelligence that can carry on a
conversation. They did exactly that with Jesus in Luke 8:26-33.

And they know how important the Lord Jesus is:

"A demon-possessed man . . . [shouted] what do You want with me, Jesus, Son
of the Most High God?" {Luke 8:27-28}

And demons can feel pain and they want to avoid it. One demon said to Jesus, "I beg
You don't torture me." {Luke 8:28}.

The New Testament's demons know that Pain is in their future.

"What do You want with us, Son of God? [the demons] shouted. Have You come
here to torture us before the appointed time?" {Matthew 8:29}.


Here is a comforting thought . . .

God protects His people from demons:

Christians cannot be possessed by demons. We have the Holy Spirit
living within us {1 Cor. 6:19}. and He protects us from the Evil One.
The power of The Cross, the Resurrection, and the Exaltation {Jesus
now being seated at the right hand of Almighty God} has secured
eternal redemption for we who believe in the Lord Jesus as our
Savior. Thank You Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit for loving us,
for saving us, and for protecting us from the Evil Ugly One.

Demons are sentient beings {able to perceive and feel things}. They
are self aware. "I beg you not to torture ME", said one demon. {Luke
8:28}.

More than one demon spirit can occupy the same human body. "What
is your name?", asked Jesus. "Legion", he replied because many demons
had gone into [the man]." {Luke 8:30}

So what can we conclude from all this?

(1) Demons are looking for susceptible people to occupy. They need a
body.
(2) Being fallen angels, they're no more mysterious than angels. We
don't find angels to be hugely mysterious. We understand a lot about
who they are and what they do. Demons are the spirits of fallen angels
who followed their leader Satan in rebellion against God and like Satan,
were kicked out of heaven and hurled bodiless to the earth where they
began searching for humans susceptible to being demon possessed.
Their bodies were killed during the War in Heaven and they don't like
being in that condition. They crave bodies so they can escape The Abyss
and remain on earth interacting with the much more enjoyable aspects
of human life.

How about now? Do demons occupy humans today, 21st century?

I think they do.

Why is it hard to believe that Charles Manson was demon possessed? Nine
murders in four locations. Cult leader of the Manson Family who had
mesmerizing control over approximately 100 followers. You ever looked into
the eyes {pictures} of Charles Manson? Spooky. Scary stuff.

How about Jeffery Dahmer the Milwaukee Cannibal? A serial killer, sex offender,
and murderer who dismembered 17 men and boys and ate some of them. Dahmer
was also into Necrophilia {sex with dead people . . . with corpses}

So?

So why is it difficult to believe that Jeffery Dahmer was demon possessed?

And what about the "Rev." Jim Jones and what happened in Jonestown
in Guyana? 918 people drank cyanide-laced Kool Aid and laid down to
die under the captivating control of demonic Evil "Rev." Jim. You ever
read "Our Father Who Art In Hell: The Life And Death Of Jim Jones"?
Don't. It's not pretty.

Why is it difficult to believe that Jim Jones was demon possessed.

And how about the world's criminally "insane" murderers, torturers,
and rapists ~ locked away in maximum security cells. How many of
them could be occupied by the spirits of Satan's fallen angels?

And why wouldn't they be?

[]

Epilogue.

It was noised abroad that some Christians actually put the personal blame
on Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, and Jim Jones for what they did and
had the nerve to label it as sin against the God of the Bible.

"Listen", said Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "we don't like the Bible, or the God of the
Bible, or the concept of personal sin."

"That's exactly right, we surely do not", replied Cunning Sigh-Chologist,
"so let's invent some pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook medical-sounding
terminology to befuddle the easily-befuddled masses."

"That's a splendid idea", cooed Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "how 'bout 'borderline
personality disorder' and 'psychotic disorder' and here's a really good one
'schizotypal personality disorder'. Will these get the job done?"

"Yes, I think they will", replied Cunning Sigh-Chologist, "and let's add 'psychosis'
and 'schizophrenia' to the list. The masses will swallow our science-sounding
bafflegab hook, line, and sinker. Gullibility flows strong and thick 21st century."

"I love it", smirked Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "and then the masses will have to come
to us and give us their money for our therapy treatments and our pills."

"Exactly", grinned Cunning Sigh-Chologist, "and at the same time we can get
rid of the outdated notions of God and personal sin."

"Okay then", smiled Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "let's do it."

And so they did.

[][]


Agree?
Disagree?
Thoughts?



``

Jag, I think you have this down pretty good. There was a war in heaven. Lucifer was among the sons of God before and wanted to save all mankind by introducing force into God's plan of salvation. God rejected Satan's plan because mankind cannot become truly good beings in and of themselves without choosing good over evil of their own free will and choice. Lucifer believed that if force were used to force all to obey God, then He would be able to save all mankind into the kingdom of heaven. God the Father rejected his idea because it would not bring about truly good beings that are good in and of themselves. Lucifer became angry and started a rebellion in heaven among all the sons and daughters of God. The truth is that we were all born as the spirit children of God before coming to this earth. Lucifer sought to get the spirit children of God to side with him and rebel against God. He was actually very successful and managed to turn 1/3 of all the hosts of heaven against God and they took Lucifer's side. Lucifer's attempt to gain followers in heaven was the war in heaven. Nobody had a body in heaven. All the rebellious spirit children of God, including Lucifer, were cast out of heaven into the earth. Lucifer's name was changed to Perdition, Satan, and the Devil. All those who followed after him and were cast out of heaven are exactly as you have described, they are demons. Those who sided with God and Jesus in the premortal world of spirits were allowed to come to earth and receive bodies of flesh, bone, and blood. The first man to be on earth was Michael the Archangel, aka Adam. You can know that you were on the side of God by realizing that you have received a body here on this earth. Gaining a body brings about a greater amount of joy to a spirit. Satan and his demons were denied the opportunity of receiving a body and will exist as spirits for all eternity without a body of flesh and bones. This is why it is so important that all who have received a body on this earth will be resurrected with an immortal body of flesh and bones just as Jesus was resurrected. Satan and his demons will never receive a body of flesh and bones. They will never have that blessing. Some of the evil spirits who followed after Lucifer have temporarily possessed the bodies of those who have received bodies and they have also temporarily possessed animals at times. They have come to know that there is greater joy in having a body than not having one. This is why they crave to have bodies but they are denied bodies because of their rebellion against God and his plan of salvation.

I think your post show a great deal of perception and understanding of how Satan and his demons came to be. However, they never had bodies of their own in heaven. Also angels are nothing more than messengers. The angels of God are either premortal spirit of mankind, mortal mankind, translated mankind, post mortal spirits of mankind, or resurrected mankind. The Devil's angels are those who sided with Lucifer in the premortal world of spirits or those who give themselves over to Satan in this life. Angels are not a different species than mankind. All angels who minister to this earth from God either will belong to this earth or do belong to this earth, or have belonged to this earth. We know that the archangel Michael is Adam and the angel Gabriel is Noah. Satan and his demons wish that they could have what they have been denied, ie a body of flesh and bones. Receiving a body is a great blessing from God and we have our bodies for all eternity upon being resurrected to immortality.

 

[surada]

Christian demonology - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

When he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demoniacs coming out of the tombs met him. They were so fierce that no one could pass that way. Suddenly they shouted, "What have you to do with us, Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?" Now a large herd of swine was feeding at some distance from them. The demons begged him, "If you cast us out, send us into the herd of swine." And he said to them, "Go!" So they came out and entered the swine; and suddenly, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and perished in the water.

— Matthew 8:28–33[24]

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jag, I think you have this down pretty good. There was a war in heaven. Lucifer was among the sons of God before and wanted to save all mankind by introducing force into God's plan of salvation. God rejected Satan's plan because mankind cannot become truly good beings in and of themselves without choosing good over evil of their own free will and choice. Lucifer believed that if force were used to force all to obey God, then He would be able to save all mankind into the kingdom of heaven. God the Father rejected his idea because it would not bring about truly good beings that are good in and of themselves. Lucifer became angry and started a rebellion in heaven among all the sons and daughters of God. The truth is that we were all born as the spirit children of God before coming to this earth. Lucifer sought to get the spirit children of God to side with him and rebel against God. He was actually very successful and managed to turn 1/3 of all the hosts of heaven against God and they took Lucifer's side. Lucifer's attempt to gain followers in heaven was the war in heaven. Nobody had a body in heaven. All the rebellious spirit children of God, including Lucifer, were cast out of heaven into the earth. Lucifer's name was changed to Perdition, Satan, and the Devil. All those who followed after him and were cast out of heaven are exactly as you have described, they are demons. Those who sided with God and Jesus in the premortal world of spirits were allowed to come to earth and receive bodies of flesh, bone, and blood. The first man to be on earth was Michael the Archangel, aka Adam. You can know that you were on the side of God by realizing that you have received a body here on this earth. Gaining a body brings about a greater amount of joy to a spirit. Satan and his demons were denied the opportunity of receiving a body and will exist as spirits for all eternity without a body of flesh and bones. This is why it is so important that all who have received a body on this earth will be resurrected with an immortal body of flesh and bones just as Jesus was resurrected. Satan and his demons will never receive a body of flesh and bones. They will never have that blessing. Some of the evil spirits who followed after Lucifer have temporarily possessed the bodies of those who have received bodies and they have also temporarily possessed animals at times. They have come to know that there is greater joy in having a body than not having one. This is why they crave to have bodies but they are denied bodies because of their rebellion against God and his plan of salvation.

I think your post show a great deal of perception and understanding of how Satan and his demons came to be. However, they never had bodies of their own in heaven. Also angels are nothing more than messengers. The angels of God are either premortal spirit of mankind, mortal mankind, translated mankind, post mortal spirits of mankind, or resurrected mankind. The Devil's angels are those who sided with Lucifer in the premortal world of spirits or those who give themselves over to Satan in this life. Angels are not a different species than mankind. All angels who minister to this earth from God either will belong to this earth or do belong to this earth, or have belonged to this earth. We know that the archangel Michael is Adam and the angel Gabriel is Noah. Satan and his demons wish that they could have what they have been denied, ie a body of flesh and bones. Receiving a body is a great blessing from God and we have our bodies for all eternity upon being resurrected to immortality.

As taught by the LDS cult.

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. -- Galatians

 

[surada]

The New Testament's Demons Are As Real As It Gets.
By JAG
August 31, 2021


They are bodiless spirits of fallen angels. They strongly desire to get
back inside a body ~ and the bodies of pigs will do just fine.

How can we be certain they are bodiless spirits? Because if they had
bodies of their own, they wouldn't be begging to be allowed to use the
bodies of pigs. "The demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs."
{Luke 8:32) (same in Mark 5:9-13}

Once upon a time I was puzzled reading about demons ~ in the New
Testament I mean. They also made me just a wee bit uneasy. Are demons
really real? The Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God, I never doubted
that, but we're living in modern times and there has to be some other
explanation. Wrong. Demons are as real as dogs, dolphins, and daffodils,
and here is what I think happened:

There was war in heaven. We know that. We've read about it in Rev. 12:7-9.

In that war . . .

Michael and his good angles killed the physical bodies of Satan and his evil
angels and sent their bodiless spirits hurling down to earth ~ where they now,
apparently crave above all else, to get back inside a body and they'll even beg
to be allowed to enter hogs if its that or nothing.

Let's take a minute and read Rev. 12:7-9 together:

"Then war broke out in Heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon,
and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they
lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled to the earth ~ that ancient
serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to
the earth, and his angels with him."

So there was War in Heaven . . .

And this is what Jesus said about that war:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven." {Luke 10:18}

In Rev. 12:9 the Apostle John said the same thing like this:

"Satan "was hurled down . . . He was hurled to the earth."

Jesus' disciples said to Him: "even the demons submit to us in Your name"
{Luke 10:17}. Upon hearing that Jesus immediately came back with "I saw
Satan fall like lightning from heaven." {Luke 10:18}

So?

So there is a direct connection between demons on the earth and that
War in Heaven where Satan was kicked out and hurled like lightning
to the earth.

Moreover . . .

Demons, now spirits without bodies, hate their present condition. They need
to occupy bodies so they can meaningfully interact with their surroundings.
They find living without a body to be extremely unpleasant.

And even pigs will do . . .

Again, "the demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs" {Luke 8:32}

And they actually did that.

Jesus gave them permission and then "they went into the pigs." {Luke 8:33}.

Being inside a body keeps them out of the Unpleasant Void. When they are not
occupying a body, they are in a place they don't want to be. They call it The Abyss.
"They begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. {Luke 8:31}
(The NIV capitalizes the word Abyss.) They're smart enough to avoid The Abyss, if
they can.

The New Testament's demons are persons with intelligence that can carry on a
conversation. They did exactly that with Jesus in Luke 8:26-33.

And they know how important the Lord Jesus is:

"A demon-possessed man . . . [shouted] what do You want with me, Jesus, Son
of the Most High God?" {Luke 8:27-28}

And demons can feel pain and they want to avoid it. One demon said to Jesus, "I beg
You don't torture me." {Luke 8:28}.

The New Testament's demons know that Pain is in their future.

"What do You want with us, Son of God? [the demons] shouted. Have You come
here to torture us before the appointed time?" {Matthew 8:29}.


Here is a comforting thought . . .

God protects His people from demons:

Christians cannot be possessed by demons. We have the Holy Spirit
living within us {1 Cor. 6:19}. and He protects us from the Evil One.
The power of The Cross, the Resurrection, and the Exaltation {Jesus
now being seated at the right hand of Almighty God} has secured
eternal redemption for we who believe in the Lord Jesus as our
Savior. Thank You Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit for loving us,
for saving us, and for protecting us from the Evil Ugly One.

Demons are sentient beings {able to perceive and feel things}. They
are self aware. "I beg you not to torture ME", said one demon. {Luke
8:28}.

More than one demon spirit can occupy the same human body. "What
is your name?", asked Jesus. "Legion", he replied because many demons
had gone into [the man]." {Luke 8:30}

So what can we conclude from all this?

(1) Demons are looking for susceptible people to occupy. They need a
body.
(2) Being fallen angels, they're no more mysterious than angels. We
don't find angels to be hugely mysterious. We understand a lot about
who they are and what they do. Demons are the spirits of fallen angels
who followed their leader Satan in rebellion against God and like Satan,
were kicked out of heaven and hurled bodiless to the earth where they
began searching for humans susceptible to being demon possessed.
Their bodies were killed during the War in Heaven and they don't like
being in that condition. They crave bodies so they can escape The Abyss
and remain on earth interacting with the much more enjoyable aspects
of human life.

How about now? Do demons occupy humans today, 21st century?

I think they do.

Why is it hard to believe that Charles Manson was demon possessed? Nine
murders in four locations. Cult leader of the Manson Family who had
mesmerizing control over approximately 100 followers. You ever looked into
the eyes {pictures} of Charles Manson? Spooky. Scary stuff.

How about Jeffery Dahmer the Milwaukee Cannibal? A serial killer, sex offender,
and murderer who dismembered 17 men and boys and ate some of them. Dahmer
was also into Necrophilia {sex with dead people . . . with corpses}

So?

So why is it difficult to believe that Jeffery Dahmer was demon possessed?

And what about the "Rev." Jim Jones and what happened in Jonestown
in Guyana? 918 people drank cyanide-laced Kool Aid and laid down to
die under the captivating control of demonic Evil "Rev." Jim. You ever
read "Our Father Who Art In Hell: The Life And Death Of Jim Jones"?
Don't. It's not pretty.

Why is it difficult to believe that Jim Jones was demon possessed.

And how about the world's criminally "insane" murderers, torturers,
and rapists ~ locked away in maximum security cells. How many of
them could be occupied by the spirits of Satan's fallen angels?

And why wouldn't they be?

[]

Epilogue.

It was noised abroad that some Christians actually put the personal blame
on Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, and Jim Jones for what they did and
had the nerve to label it as sin against the God of the Bible.

"Listen", said Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "we don't like the Bible, or the God of the
Bible, or the concept of personal sin."

"That's exactly right, we surely do not", replied Cunning Sigh-Chologist,
"so let's invent some pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook medical-sounding
terminology to befuddle the easily-befuddled masses."

"That's a splendid idea", cooed Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "how 'bout 'borderline
personality disorder' and 'psychotic disorder' and here's a really good one
'schizotypal personality disorder'. Will these get the job done?"

"Yes, I think they will", replied Cunning Sigh-Chologist, "and let's add 'psychosis'
and 'schizophrenia' to the list. The masses will swallow our science-sounding
bafflegab hook, line, and sinker. Gullibility flows strong and thick 21st century."

"I love it", smirked Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "and then the masses will have to come
to us and give us their money for our therapy treatments and our pills."

"Exactly", grinned Cunning Sigh-Chologist, "and at the same time we can get
rid of the outdated notions of God and personal sin."

"Okay then", smiled Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "let's do it."

And so they did.

[][]


Agree?
Disagree?
Thoughts?



``

Wow. You believe in demons. It's the fault of those demons, not you.

 

[onefour1]

As taught by the LDS cult.

But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. -- Galatians

Your disbelief in these things is another gospel and not part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[onefour1]

Isaiah 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

In this verse we learn that Lucifer, who fell from heaven, was a son of the morning. In other words, he was a son of God who rebelled against God and started the war in heaven. Notice in verse 16 that those who look upon him see him as a MAN. He like the rest of us was one of the spirit children of God who was held in high favor as a son of the morning. We also read about the war in heaven in Revelation 12:

Revelation 12:7-11
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

In these verses we learn that there was a war in heaven between those who sided with God the Father and His Christ and those who followed after Lucifer, aka Satan, the Devil, the dragon or that old serpent. Michael the archangel headed up those who fought against Satan and eventually prevailed. Eventually Satan and his minions were cast out of heaven into the earth. Verse 11 is interesting because it talks about those who fought against the dragon and tells us that they eventually overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by their testimonies. It tells us that they loved not their lives unto the death. In other words, those who fought against Satan and his minions would eventually come to earth and need the blood of the lamb to overcome him. Those who fought valiantly in the war in heaven that needed to overcome Satan by the blood of the Lamb was we who have bodies on this earth. Yes, we existed before coming to this earth and were those who fought valiantly against Satan and his minions and are now subject unto death.

Lucifer and those who followed after him are the devil and his angels. They were among the children of God who rebelled against God in the premortal war in heaven. They were once our spirit brothers and sisters but came out in open rebellion against God and were cast out of heaven and became the devil and his demons.

But what was the war in heaven all about? Latter-day revelation tells us that Lucifer had and idea that he thought would make him great. This plan of Lucifer's would go against the plan of God our Father in Heaven. It was the plan of our Father in Heaven to have our spirits take on bodies of flesh and bones and be given the chance to choose good or evil of our own free will and choice in a fallen world. In this way God would allow us to truly become good beings in and of ourselves by choosing good of our own free will and choice. Only in this way would we truly become good beings in and of ourselves. The drawback of this plan was that with free will, some would not choose good over evil but would choose evil over good. But free will was essential in bringing about the true nature of our beings. Those who choose good over evil would do it of their own free will and choice and would thus become good beings in and of themselves. There would be varying degrees of those who who chose between good and evil and God would reward each one according to what manner of being they became. Without free will, God the Father understood that one cannot truly become a good being. Thus free will was critical in his plan for us.

Lucifer, on the other hand, came up with the idea of forcing us all to do good. He reasoned that by doing so, he could save everyone and not one soul would be lost. He thought this idea was even better than God the Father's plan. He thus presented his plan before God and thought he would be given high praise and be exalted even above God himself. But when he presented his plan, God the Father rejected it. The Father knew that if he were to introduce force and take away free will, that mankind would not progress to become good beings in and of themselves. They would be nothing more than robots doing the will of God and not their own will. After having his plan rejected by the Father, Lucifer decided to attempt to get every spirit child of the father to rebel against the Father's plan and to side with his plan. There were many who did not want to risk not making it back into the kingdom of heaven and thought Lucifer's plan was better. However, they could not grasp the extreme importance of choosing good of their own free will and choice. Thus 1/3 of all the hosts of heaven sided with Lucifer and sought to overthrow God the Father and his Christ. The other 2/3 of the host of heaven sided with the Father and his Christ. Lucifer and his followers were eventually cast out of heaven into the earth for coming out in open rebellion against God our Eternal Father in Heaven. Lucifer then decided that since he and his minions were cast out of heaven and could never rule in heaven, that they would still try to turn those who sided with God against him when they came to the earth with bodies of flesh and bones. Thus Lucifer became Satan, the dragon, the Devil and continues to this day to drag us down with himself and his minions. They have been denied the opportunity to receive bodies of flesh and bones and will forever remain evil spirits.

God does not allow these beings to tempt us above our free will and choice. Yes, at times they have attempted to possess our bodies and have been success but also have been cast out by the power of the priesthood of God. There is greater joy and happiness when a spirit being is coupled with a body of flesh and bones. The spirits of the dead will rejoice in the day when they will be resurrected and again have a body of flesh and bones for all eternity. Satan and his minion will never never have this blessing. Be comforted in knowing that you sided with God and have the privilege of have a body of flesh and bones. Mortality is a trial but eventually we all will rise in the resurrection of the dead to live immortally with bodies of flesh and bones.

 

[surada]

This makes Christianity sound almost pagan. Why did God make demons?

The story goes that after the fall Adam shacked up with Lilith for 130 years and she gave birth to demons. So much for "demons".

 

[alang1216]

The story goes that after the fall Adam shacked up with Lilith for 130 years and she gave birth to demons. So much for "demons".

Is that in the Bible? I don't recall it.

 

[surada]

Is that in the Bible? I don't recall it.

The tale is much older than the Bible. Do I believe it? No. I don't believe in demons. Too pagan for me.

 

[onefour1]

The tale is much older than the Bible. Do I believe it? No. I don't believe in demons. Too pagan for me.

It's a tale alright, a very tall tale.

 

[surada]

It's a tale alright, a very tall tale.

Says a mormon?

 

[surada]

onefour1 Mormon?

Blood, Gender and Power in Christianity and Judaism

Although the figure of Lilith is commonly found in Jewish folklore and midrash, the origin of Lilith is as a Sumerian succubus. The first Jewish story of Lilith was told in the Alphabet of ben sirah. Before the introduction of the Alphabet of ben sirah, Lilith was mostly seen as a demoness instead of the "first Eve". Due to the ambiguity of Lilith, she has been represented in multiple forms in both literature and art. Some theological scholars acknowledge Lilith as the "first Eve" while others still see her as a demoness

 

[surada]

The New Testament's Demons Are As Real As It Gets.
By JAG
August 31, 2021


They are bodiless spirits of fallen angels. They strongly desire to get
back inside a body ~ and the bodies of pigs will do just fine.

How can we be certain they are bodiless spirits? Because if they had
bodies of their own, they wouldn't be begging to be allowed to use the
bodies of pigs. "The demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs."
{Luke 8:32) (same in Mark 5:9-13}

Once upon a time I was puzzled reading about demons ~ in the New
Testament I mean. They also made me just a wee bit uneasy. Are demons
really real? The Bible is the inspired inerrant word of God, I never doubted
that, but we're living in modern times and there has to be some other
explanation. Wrong. Demons are as real as dogs, dolphins, and daffodils,
and here is what I think happened:

There was war in heaven. We know that. We've read about it in Rev. 12:7-9.

In that war . . .

Michael and his good angles killed the physical bodies of Satan and his evil
angels and sent their bodiless spirits hurling down to earth ~ where they now,
apparently crave above all else, to get back inside a body and they'll even beg
to be allowed to enter hogs if its that or nothing.

Let's take a minute and read Rev. 12:7-9 together:

"Then war broke out in Heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon,
and the dragon and his angels fought back. But he was not strong enough, and they
lost their place in heaven. The great dragon was hurled to the earth ~ that ancient
serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to
the earth, and his angels with him."

So there was War in Heaven . . .

And this is what Jesus said about that war:

"I saw Satan fall like lightning from Heaven." {Luke 10:18}

In Rev. 12:9 the Apostle John said the same thing like this:

"Satan "was hurled down . . . He was hurled to the earth."

Jesus' disciples said to Him: "even the demons submit to us in Your name"
{Luke 10:17}. Upon hearing that Jesus immediately came back with "I saw
Satan fall like lightning from heaven." {Luke 10:18}

So?

So there is a direct connection between demons on the earth and that
War in Heaven where Satan was kicked out and hurled like lightning
to the earth.

Moreover . . .

Demons, now spirits without bodies, hate their present condition. They need
to occupy bodies so they can meaningfully interact with their surroundings.
They find living without a body to be extremely unpleasant.

And even pigs will do . . .

Again, "the demons begged Jesus to let them go into the pigs" {Luke 8:32}

And they actually did that.

Jesus gave them permission and then "they went into the pigs." {Luke 8:33}.

Being inside a body keeps them out of the Unpleasant Void. When they are not
occupying a body, they are in a place they don't want to be. They call it The Abyss.
"They begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss. {Luke 8:31}
(The NIV capitalizes the word Abyss.) They're smart enough to avoid The Abyss, if
they can.

The New Testament's demons are persons with intelligence that can carry on a
conversation. They did exactly that with Jesus in Luke 8:26-33.

And they know how important the Lord Jesus is:

"A demon-possessed man . . . [shouted] what do You want with me, Jesus, Son
of the Most High God?" {Luke 8:27-28}

And demons can feel pain and they want to avoid it. One demon said to Jesus, "I beg
You don't torture me." {Luke 8:28}.

The New Testament's demons know that Pain is in their future.

"What do You want with us, Son of God? [the demons] shouted. Have You come
here to torture us before the appointed time?" {Matthew 8:29}.


Here is a comforting thought . . .

God protects His people from demons:

Christians cannot be possessed by demons. We have the Holy Spirit
living within us {1 Cor. 6:19}. and He protects us from the Evil One.
The power of The Cross, the Resurrection, and the Exaltation {Jesus
now being seated at the right hand of Almighty God} has secured
eternal redemption for we who believe in the Lord Jesus as our
Savior. Thank You Father, Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit for loving us,
for saving us, and for protecting us from the Evil Ugly One.

Demons are sentient beings {able to perceive and feel things}. They
are self aware. "I beg you not to torture ME", said one demon. {Luke
8:28}.

More than one demon spirit can occupy the same human body. "What
is your name?", asked Jesus. "Legion", he replied because many demons
had gone into [the man]." {Luke 8:30}

So what can we conclude from all this?

(1) Demons are looking for susceptible people to occupy. They need a
body.
(2) Being fallen angels, they're no more mysterious than angels. We
don't find angels to be hugely mysterious. We understand a lot about
who they are and what they do. Demons are the spirits of fallen angels
who followed their leader Satan in rebellion against God and like Satan,
were kicked out of heaven and hurled bodiless to the earth where they
began searching for humans susceptible to being demon possessed.
Their bodies were killed during the War in Heaven and they don't like
being in that condition. They crave bodies so they can escape The Abyss
and remain on earth interacting with the much more enjoyable aspects
of human life.

How about now? Do demons occupy humans today, 21st century?

I think they do.

Why is it hard to believe that Charles Manson was demon possessed? Nine
murders in four locations. Cult leader of the Manson Family who had
mesmerizing control over approximately 100 followers. You ever looked into
the eyes {pictures} of Charles Manson? Spooky. Scary stuff.

How about Jeffery Dahmer the Milwaukee Cannibal? A serial killer, sex offender,
and murderer who dismembered 17 men and boys and ate some of them. Dahmer
was also into Necrophilia {sex with dead people . . . with corpses}

So?

So why is it difficult to believe that Jeffery Dahmer was demon possessed?

And what about the "Rev." Jim Jones and what happened in Jonestown
in Guyana? 918 people drank cyanide-laced Kool Aid and laid down to
die under the captivating control of demonic Evil "Rev." Jim. You ever
read "Our Father Who Art In Hell: The Life And Death Of Jim Jones"?
Don't. It's not pretty.

Why is it difficult to believe that Jim Jones was demon possessed.

And how about the world's criminally "insane" murderers, torturers,
and rapists ~ locked away in maximum security cells. How many of
them could be occupied by the spirits of Satan's fallen angels?

And why wouldn't they be?

[]

Epilogue.

It was noised abroad that some Christians actually put the personal blame
on Charles Manson, Jeffery Dahmer, and Jim Jones for what they did and
had the nerve to label it as sin against the God of the Bible.

"Listen", said Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "we don't like the Bible, or the God of the
Bible, or the concept of personal sin."

"That's exactly right, we surely do not", replied Cunning Sigh-Chologist,
"so let's invent some pseudo-intellectual gobbledygook medical-sounding
terminology to befuddle the easily-befuddled masses."

"That's a splendid idea", cooed Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "how 'bout 'borderline
personality disorder' and 'psychotic disorder' and here's a really good one
'schizotypal personality disorder'. Will these get the job done?"

"Yes, I think they will", replied Cunning Sigh-Chologist, "and let's add 'psychosis'
and 'schizophrenia' to the list. The masses will swallow our science-sounding
bafflegab hook, line, and sinker. Gullibility flows strong and thick 21st century."

"I love it", smirked Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "and then the masses will have to come
to us and give us their money for our therapy treatments and our pills."

"Exactly", grinned Cunning Sigh-Chologist, "and at the same time we can get
rid of the outdated notions of God and personal sin."

"Okay then", smiled Sly Sigh-Chiatrist, "let's do it."

And so they did.

[][]


Agree?
Disagree?
Thoughts?



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Demons are a holdover from the mythos of Sumer.

 

[onefour1]

onefour1 Mormon?

Blood, Gender and Power in Christianity and Judaism

Although the figure of Lilith is commonly found in Jewish folklore and midrash, the origin of Lilith is as a Sumerian succubus. The first Jewish story of Lilith was told in the Alphabet of ben sirah. Before the introduction of the Alphabet of ben sirah, Lilith was mostly seen as a demoness instead of the "first Eve". Due to the ambiguity of Lilith, she has been represented in multiple forms in both literature and art. Some theological scholars acknowledge Lilith as the "first Eve" while others still see her as a demoness

In a previous post you stated, "The tale is much older than the Bible. Do I believe it? No. I don't believe in demons. Too pagan for me."

So if you don't believe it why then the reply, "says a Mormon?"? Do you really believe it? Again, it is a tall tale. Here is an interesting article on the the tall tale of Lilith that Moses never mentions since he was inspired by God, Lilith in the Bible and Mythology. The myth seems to have been enhanced during the Middle Ages by the Jews who claimed Lilith to be Adam's first wife. They seem to have a problem with seeing Genesis 1:27 being the same as Genesis 2:7, 21–22. In both verses God creates both the man and the woman after his image and likeness. Apparently they have made it out to be two women which I see as a myth.

 

[surada]

In a previous post you stated, "The tale is much older than the Bible. Do I believe it? No. I don't believe in demons. Too pagan for me."

So if you don't believe it why then the reply, "says a Mormon?"? Do you really believe it? Again, it is a tall tale. Here is an interesting article on the the tall tale of Lilith that Moses never mentions since he was inspired by God, Lilith in the Bible and Mythology. The myth seems to have been enhanced during the Middle Ages by the Jews who claimed Lilith to be Adam's first wife. They seem to have a problem with seeing Genesis 1:27 being the same as Genesis 2:7, 21–22. In both verses God creates both the man and the woman after his image and likeness. Apparently they have made it out to be two women which I see as a myth.

Lilith is Sumerian mythos..much older than Genesis.. Are you blaming the Jews? It's fiction.

 

[onefour1]

Lilith is Sumerian mythos..much older than Genesis.. Are you blaming the Jews? It's fiction.

Possibly older than the writings of Moses but not older than Adam and Eve themselves. The beginnings of Lilith probably started with other peoples outside of Israel but later spread among them. Lilith was never part of Israel's worship structure. According to the article I posted, some time after the days of Jesus, some Jewish scholars decided that Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:7, 21-22 were speaking of different women and made up the whole Lilith being Adam's first wife myth. So yes, I am blaming those Jewish scholars for that fiction.

 

[luiza]

This makes Christianity sound almost pagan. Why did God make demons?

It's cult garbage from the Space Alien Worshippers .

But if you actually ever want to achieve anything fulfilling in this life time, it is best / pragmatic to let the Sheeple waffle away with their Happy Talk and their imaginary direct line to Universe via the Essene Monk and his loony pals Peter and Paul .