CNN reports that torture of terrorists advocate Tom Cotton will be Secretary Of Defense!

[Nosmo King]

According to the Geneva Conventions, (you know, that agreement we have with a lot of other nations about the proper conduct on the battle field), waterboarding IS torture.

Matter of fact, Pol Pot used it quite effectively to garner false confessions from political dissidents.

ISIS is not part of the Geneva Convention, they behead captives, there are no rules in the war on terror, none.

So we should become like ISIS because that's the only way to preserve freedom?

Ya gotta burn the village in order to save the village, right?

If you are not at least as ruthless as your enemy, you will lose.

How on earth did we defeat the Fascists? They killed civilians by the mass grave full.

We killed Nazis, Blackshirts and Bushido Boys by the hundreds of thousands, and collateral damage was a marginal concern. It didn't hogtie us the way it does today.

We fought those enemies without laser targeted weapons, drones and smart bombs. Rather, we carpet bombed, naplmed and dropped atom bombs.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

ISIS is not part of the Geneva Convention, they behead captives, there are no rules in the war on terror, none.

So we should become like ISIS because that's the only way to preserve freedom?

Ya gotta burn the village in order to save the village, right?

If you are not at least as ruthless as your enemy, you will lose.

How on earth did we defeat the Fascists? They killed civilians by the mass grave full.

We killed Nazis, Blackshirts and Bushido Boys by the hundreds of thousands, and collateral damage was a marginal concern. It didn't hogtie us the way it does today.

We fought those enemies without laser targeted weapons, drones and smart bombs. Rather, we carpet bombed, naplmed and dropped atom bombs.

And the wars sure ended faster.

 

[2aguy]

Waterboarding worked....on every trainee it was used on...

EXCLUSIVE: Waterboarding Too Dangerous, Internal DoD Memo Reveals

SERE stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape, and SERE schools exist across the military services, but the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA) is considered the "Executive Agency" for all the SERE schools. The aim of SERE "Code of Conduct" training is to prepare US military personnel for possible capture and torture by an enemy that does not follow Geneva conventions guidelines.

The Clare memo stated, in part:

3. Area of Concern: The JPRA official stance is that the water board should not be used as a physical pressure during Level C SERE training.
This position is based on factors that have the potential to affect not only students but also the whole DoD SERE program.

The way the water board is most often employed, it leaves students psychologically defeated with no ability to resist under pressure. Once a student is taught that they can be beaten, and there is no way to resist, it is difficult to develop psychological hardiness.

None of the other schools use the water board that leaves the San Diego school as a standout.

So our best miltiary personel were beaten by being waterboarded........and it left no lasting physical damage...

It didn't leave any physical damage (maybe), but it DID leave psychological damage that made them less effective when they found they could be broken.

Not the point to this discussion.......it broke the toughest military people we have and it did it without leaving permanent damage.......

 

[ABikerSailor]

Waterboarding worked....on every trainee it was used on...

EXCLUSIVE: Waterboarding Too Dangerous, Internal DoD Memo Reveals

SERE stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape, and SERE schools exist across the military services, but the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA) is considered the "Executive Agency" for all the SERE schools. The aim of SERE "Code of Conduct" training is to prepare US military personnel for possible capture and torture by an enemy that does not follow Geneva conventions guidelines.

The Clare memo stated, in part:

3. Area of Concern: The JPRA official stance is that the water board should not be used as a physical pressure during Level C SERE training.
This position is based on factors that have the potential to affect not only students but also the whole DoD SERE program.

The way the water board is most often employed, it leaves students psychologically defeated with no ability to resist under pressure. Once a student is taught that they can be beaten, and there is no way to resist, it is difficult to develop psychological hardiness.

None of the other schools use the water board that leaves the San Diego school as a standout.

So our best miltiary personel were beaten by being waterboarded........and it left no lasting physical damage...

It didn't leave any physical damage (maybe), but it DID leave psychological damage that made them less effective when they found they could be broken.

Not the point to this discussion.......it broke the toughest military people we have and it did it without leaving permanent damage.......

If they are broken psychologically, they are useless on the battlefield.

 

[2aguy]

Waterboarding worked....on every trainee it was used on...

EXCLUSIVE: Waterboarding Too Dangerous, Internal DoD Memo Reveals

SERE stands for Survival, Evasion, Resistance, Escape, and SERE schools exist across the military services, but the Joint Personnel Recovery Agency (JPRA) is considered the "Executive Agency" for all the SERE schools. The aim of SERE "Code of Conduct" training is to prepare US military personnel for possible capture and torture by an enemy that does not follow Geneva conventions guidelines.

The Clare memo stated, in part:

3. Area of Concern: The JPRA official stance is that the water board should not be used as a physical pressure during Level C SERE training.
This position is based on factors that have the potential to affect not only students but also the whole DoD SERE program.

The way the water board is most often employed, it leaves students psychologically defeated with no ability to resist under pressure. Once a student is taught that they can be beaten, and there is no way to resist, it is difficult to develop psychological hardiness.

None of the other schools use the water board that leaves the San Diego school as a standout.

So our best miltiary personel were beaten by being waterboarded........and it left no lasting physical damage...

It didn't leave any physical damage (maybe), but it DID leave psychological damage that made them less effective when they found they could be broken.

Not the point to this discussion.......it broke the toughest military people we have and it did it without leaving permanent damage.......

If they are broken psychologically, they are useless on the battlefield.

No...it doesn't state they were broken psychologically, please read it again...it states that

The way the water board is most often employed, it leaves students psychologically defeated with no ability to resist under pressure. Once a student is taught that they can be beaten, and there is no way to resist, it is difficult to develop psychological hardiness.

they allegedly lose an ability to resist waterboarding in the future......again......those vietnam vets were all waterboarded as part of actual navy pilot training...and they all resisted when they were tortured by the communists/socialists in Vietnam......

Bud Day, Medal of Honor

Leo Thorseness, Medal of Honor

Jeremiah Denten, Navy Cross

All were waterboarded during training and resisted during prolonged, actual torture that included beatings, bone breaking and other actual torture methods......

They are the experts and they all agree, waterboarding is not torture and it is a useful tool to stop men who want to murder Americans....

Tell us how these men were useless on the battlefield....

 

[Claudette]

According to the Geneva Conventions, (you know, that agreement we have with a lot of other nations about the proper conduct on the battle field), waterboarding IS torture.

Matter of fact, Pol Pot used it quite effectively to garner false confessions from political dissidents.

ISIS is not part of the Geneva Convention, they behead captives, there are no rules in the war on terror, none.

So we should become like ISIS because that's the only way to preserve freedom?

Ya gotta burn the village in order to save the village, right?

We are not becoming like isis....just put on your safety pin and let the grown ups handle the monsters....they drown people in cages, they burn people alive they cut off heads and murder children...

We tilted people back and put water up their nose, and they gave up valuable information, including where bin laden was.....after they were waterboarded they dried off with a towel and had a nice meal.......isis doesn't do that....

I agree and only a moron would compare us to ISIS.

What an idiot.

The use of torture lowers us to an unacceptable position. We call ISIS savages. Shouldn't we be a cut above?

Bullshit. Water boarding never killed anyone and I for one don't see it as torture especially when you have a doctor right there.

Cutting off heads, rape and murder are what those assholes understand. Its the only language they understand.

Water boarding is tame compared to what those animal do and to compare water boarding to what they do shows what an idiot you are.

Save "The we are better than that" bullshit for someone who gives a shit. I don't and I'm sure all the dead those assholes have killed would agree.

If I had my way we would nuke the whole middle east from orbit and kill them all. End of problem.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[basquebromance]

Trump backtracks!

“Torture works. OK, folks? You know, I have these guys—‘Torture doesn’t work!’—believe me, it works. And waterboarding is your minor form. Some people say it’s not actually torture. Let’s assume it is. But they asked me the question: What do you think of waterboarding? Absolutely fine. But we should go much stronger than waterboarding.” (South Carolina, February 17, 2016)

“[Mattis] said, ‘I’ve never found it to be useful…Give me a pack of cigarettes and a couple of beers and I’ll do better.’…I was very impressed by that answer… [Torture is] not going to make the kind of a difference that a lot of people are thinking.’’ (New York Times, November 22, 2016)

 

[basquebromance]