Among other things, here is what a vote for the trump/Vance ticket represents.

[berg80]

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2021/oct/30/tucker-carlson-condemned-capitol-attack-liz-cheney
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

​

Biden campaign: J.D. Vance would do what Pence wouldn't on Jan. 6​

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), former President Trump's new running mate, told ABC News in February that he would not have certified the 2020 election on Jan. 6 had he been vice president instead of Mike Pence.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/15/jd-vance-january-6-pence-trump

The Eastman memo is universally recognized as an unconstitutional theory whereby the VP exceeds his authority, refusing to maintain the tradition of peacefully transferring power to the new prez.

Trump's 'Eastman Memo' Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President​

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January 6 scenario" under which Trump could seek to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Authored by conservative law professor John Eastman, the "Eastman Memo," as it has been dubbed in the press, argued that Vice President Mike Pence, while presiding over the joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021, possessed the sole power to count electoral votes and that Pence should use this power to reject pro-Biden votes and thus deliver the White House to Trump. "Howls, of course, from the Democrats," Eastman wrote. "The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission—either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court." According to Eastman, "the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the final arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."
In reality, the Constitution assigns no such power to the vice president.

Trump’s ‘Eastman Memo’ Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January…

reason.com

Meaning a vote for trump/Vance is a vote for ignoring the constitutional order when abiding by the Constitution is inconvenient. Or rulings by courts for that matter.

Vance has also gone further than nearly any other Republican official in arguing for expansive presidential authority over the executive branch, saying in 2021 that he would advise Trump to fire “every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,” and ignore courts that got in the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/18/trump-second-term-agenda-project-2025/

I just thought you should know who you are voting for beforehand. Cuz voting for someone promising to be your retribution (even though what you're really doing is enabling his) may feel good, but is it worth turning your back on what the country stands for?

 

[ozro]

Gee looks like another fact-free thread starting up.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Gee looks like another fact-free thread starting up.

It's a regurgitation of other threads. Left loon site pickings must be slim this morning

 

[berg80]

Gee looks like another fact-free thread starting up.

The floor is yours if you want to try to factually refute anything.

 

[Oddball]

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

​

Biden campaign: J.D. Vance would do what Pence wouldn't on Jan. 6​

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), former President Trump's new running mate, told ABC News in February that he would not have certified the 2020 election on Jan. 6 had he been vice president instead of Mike Pence.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/15/jd-vance-january-6-pence-trump

The Eastman memo is universally recognized as an unconstitutional theory whereby the VP exceeds his authority, refusing to maintain the tradition of peacefully transferring power to the new prez.

Trump's 'Eastman Memo' Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President​

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January 6 scenario" under which Trump could seek to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Authored by conservative law professor John Eastman, the "Eastman Memo," as it has been dubbed in the press, argued that Vice President Mike Pence, while presiding over the joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021, possessed the sole power to count electoral votes and that Pence should use this power to reject pro-Biden votes and thus deliver the White House to Trump. "Howls, of course, from the Democrats," Eastman wrote. "The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission—either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court." According to Eastman, "the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the final arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."
In reality, the Constitution assigns no such power to the vice president.

Trump’s ‘Eastman Memo’ Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January…

reason.com

Meaning a vote for trump/Vance is a vote for ignoring the constitutional order when abiding by the Constitution is inconvenient. Or rulings by courts for that matter.

Vance has also gone further than nearly any other Republican official in arguing for expansive presidential authority over the executive branch, saying in 2021 that he would advise Trump to fire “every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,” and ignore courts that got in the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/18/trump-second-term-agenda-project-2025/

I just thought you should know who you are voting for beforehand. Cuz voting for someone promising to be your retribution (even though what you're really doing is enabling his) may feel good, but is it worth turning your back on what the country stands for?

 

[ozro]

The floor is yours if you want to try to factually refute anything.

Thanks, you have done a better job of that than I, or anyone else, can do.
Bless your heart

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Trump intends to steal the presidency by the nefarious plot of having people vote for him. The national vote is the enemy of democrats. That's why they have to destroy the republic.

 

[berg80]

Thanks, you have done a better job of that than I, or anyone else, can do.
Bless your heart

Be specific.

 

[ozro]

Be specific.

I state specifically and unequivocally that you should be committed to a state hospital for your own protection and the protection of the general public.

 

[berg80]

Trump intends to steal the presidency by the nefarious plot of having people vote for him.

Unless he loses as he did in 2020. Which is when he launched his unconstitutional plot to steal the election. A plot endorsed by his running mate.

 

[ThisIsMe]

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency​

On 4 January, the conservative lawyer John Eastman was summoned to the Oval Office to meet Donald Trump and Vice-President Mike Pence. Within 48 hours, Joe Biden’s victory in the 2020 presidential election would formally be certified by Congress, sealing Trump’s fate and removing him from the White House.
Tucker Carlson condemned over ‘false flag’ claim about deadly Capitol attack
The atmosphere in the room was tense. The then US president was “fired up” to make what amounted to a last-ditch effort to overturn the election results and snatch a second term in office in the most powerful job on Earth.

Eastman, who had a decades-long reputation as a prominent conservative law professor, had already prepared a two-page memo in which he had outlined an incendiary scenario under which Pence, presiding over the joint session of Congress that was to be convened on 6 January, effectively overrides the votes of millions of Americans in seven states that Biden had won, then “gavels President Trump as re-elected”.

The Eastman memo, first revealed by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa in their book Peril, goes on to predict “howls” of protest from Democrats. The theory was that Pence, acting as the “ultimate arbiter” of the process, would then send the matter to the House of Representatives which, following an arcane rule that says that where no candidate has reached the necessary majority each state will have one vote, also decides to turn the world upside down and hand the election to the losing candidate, Donald Trump.

‘A roadmap for a coup’: inside Trump’s plot to steal the presidency

A startling memo, a surreal Oval Office encounter – just some of the twists in the unfolding story of Trump’s bid to cling to power, which critics say was no less than an attempted coup

www.theguardian.com

​

Biden campaign: J.D. Vance would do what Pence wouldn't on Jan. 6​

Sen. J.D. Vance (R-Ohio), former President Trump's new running mate, told ABC News in February that he would not have certified the 2020 election on Jan. 6 had he been vice president instead of Mike Pence.

https://www.axios.com/2024/07/15/jd-vance-january-6-pence-trump

The Eastman memo is universally recognized as an unconstitutional theory whereby the VP exceeds his authority, refusing to maintain the tradition of peacefully transferring power to the new prez.

Trump's 'Eastman Memo' Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President​

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January 6 scenario" under which Trump could seek to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election, which he lost to Joe Biden.

Authored by conservative law professor John Eastman, the "Eastman Memo," as it has been dubbed in the press, argued that Vice President Mike Pence, while presiding over the joint session of Congress on January 6, 2021, possessed the sole power to count electoral votes and that Pence should use this power to reject pro-Biden votes and thus deliver the White House to Trump. "Howls, of course, from the Democrats," Eastman wrote. "The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission—either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court." According to Eastman, "the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the final arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind."
In reality, the Constitution assigns no such power to the vice president.

Trump’s ‘Eastman Memo’ Proposed an Unconstitutional Power Grab by the Vice President

Earlier this week, CNN obtained a copy of a legal memorandum prepared for then-President Donald Trump that envisioned a "January…

reason.com

Meaning a vote for trump/Vance is a vote for ignoring the constitutional order when abiding by the Constitution is inconvenient. Or rulings by courts for that matter.

Vance has also gone further than nearly any other Republican official in arguing for expansive presidential authority over the executive branch, saying in 2021 that he would advise Trump to fire “every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people,” and ignore courts that got in the way.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/07/18/trump-second-term-agenda-project-2025/

I just thought you should know who you are voting for beforehand. Cuz voting for someone promising to be your retribution (even though what you're really doing is enabling his) may feel good, but is it worth turning your back on what the country stands for?

Well, the other option is voting for Biden…or not voting at all…which is also a vote for Biden, soooo…there’s not much choice here.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Who was it that kept counting until they " found" enough votes

 

[berg80]

I state specifically and unequivocally that you should be committed to a state hospital for your own protection and the protection of the general public.

Wow, funny. Can you or can you not show a factual error in the OP? It seems you can't, hence your sophomoric behavior.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Unless he loses as he did in 2020. Which is when he launched his unconstitutional plot to steal the election. A plot endorsed by his running mate.

It doesn't look like democrats will be able to use the same tactics that gave us the fraudulent 2020 election. Especially w8th the animated cadaver running.

 

[ThisIsMe]

The floor is yours if you want to try to factually refute anything.

Well, the thread is trying to insinuate that J6 is going to happen all over again, and that is just theory proposed by the left to try and attack Vance.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Who was it that crashed voting sites in repub districts in AZ

 

[berg80]

Well, the other option is voting for Biden…or not voting at all…which is also a vote for Biden, soooo…there’s not much choice here.

Are you willing to vote for a ticket that overtly stands for unconstitutional actions regarding the attempted theft of a presidential election?

 

[ozro]

Wow, funny. Can you or can you not show a factual error in the OP? It seems you can't, hence your sophomoric behavior.

Your oP is completely fact free. Specifically.
It's all simply from loons who make proclamations based on opinions, and you and other ignorant insane patients take it all in as facts.

 

[Foolardi]

Gee looks like another fact-free thread starting up.

No surprise.The new Dem demand is that Americans need to
just use " common sense ".The polar opposite of how Demobrats
Govern,Run for Re-election and converse on a daily basis.
Democrat Brats and their supplanting ants { MSNBC scumbag Liars }
just have no conscience when it comes to The TRUTH.
At least the American Mainstream had honest brokers
like Walter Cronkite and Huntley & Brinkley.
Not no mores.It's flat out 24/7 constant lying and
making things up { Not whole cloth } but with Criminal
negligence and no accoutability.
Our Country have never been this far into practiced
Marxism.
" Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation.
Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and
putting them together again in new shapes of
our own choosing. "
-- George Orwell { 1984 } 1949
Basically an identical mindset as used by one
Lawrence O'Donnell { MSNBC 10 PM host }

 

[berg80]

Well, the thread is trying to insinuate that J6 is going to happen all over again, and that is just theory proposed by the left to try and attack Vance.

Not necessarily. I'm stating it already happened. Can you vote for a ticket that stands by what trump orchestrated?