What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[AntonToo]

You don't understand what I mean? 1950s-and to our days has been the golden age for 'the developed western democracies'. This period is edging to an end.

End? What end? Are you halucinating?

America is doing pretty good relative to the rest of the world last I checked. So where do you see the "edging to an end"?

 

[ESay]

End? What end? Are you halucinating?

America is doing pretty good relative to the rest of the world last I checked. So where do you see the "edging to an end"?

Pretty good you say? Okay. Too bad a half of your new country doesn't agree with you.

 

[Lesh]

Pretty good you say? Okay. Too bad a half of your new country doesn't agree with you.

Trumpers?

Meh

 

[TruthNotBS]

Thats is some crazy ass Soviet style nutbag nonsense.

We are a true democracy in it's modern sense and American government is unquestionably responsible to the people. We have freedom of speech, protest and media along with independent courts to protect it. When we are not satisfied with our representatives they get thrown out of office.

Open democratic governing, along with private ownership and bussiness is at the very core of American success, even if there are some reasonable layers of regulation like anti-monopoly laws.

You really ought to go live in one of your represive communist paradises like Cuba or North Korea. So you can really get some perspective on the meaning of "hardly surviving".

You're one confused puppy. The only so-called freedom of speech and all of the other supposed freedoms that we have are contingent upon you and I conforming to the interests of the ruling class in this country, which you gladly serve. Anyone who doesn't fall in line with the interests of that ruling elite is censored, canceled, banned, harassed, persecuted, and in some cases even criminally prosecuted and murdered. You have your head so far up your ass, that you pretend that's not the case.

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We're not a democracy but rather a plutocracy, ruled by corporate greed and interests. The economic success of this country was due primarily to coming out of WW2 essentially unscathed thanks to those two large oceans that surround us. That's what ensured our economic prosperity until assholes like you (right-wing shitheads), in the early 1980s, gutted our manufacturing-based economy, transforming it into a Wall Street casino economy. Our economy now is based on finance and speculative trading, importing commodities from the third world, where labor is dirt cheap. Laissez-faire, globalist neoliberalism is the worst economic system any nation could have, and that's what scumbags like you promote.

People like you have destroyed this country. My grandfather arrived here in 1961 with his wife, and kids, without a penny in his pocket, and got a blue-collar job at Bertram Yachts, spraying yacht molds with fiberglass. In less than five years he bought a three-room house, cash, without a loan from the bank, in South Miami-Dade, Florida, less than two miles from the beach. The home had a front and back yard with mango trees, avocado trees, oranges..etc.

Do you know what that house is worth today in 2024? Almost a million dollars. Upper six-figures. How the hell did a blue-collar worker, that could hardly speak English, working hard for almost five years, have enough money to support his wife and kids, while saving to buy a house, cash, especially, of that size and quality? That was America when the wealthiest people in our society were paying up to 90% in income taxes and the average Fortune 500 CEO was making no more than 20 times the lowest salary in their company (today CEOs of the same companies make up to 1000 times the lowest salary in their companies). That was a different America, than the one we're living in now. That America died in the 1980s, thanks to supply-side, trickle-down Reaganomics.

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I don't have to leave or go anywhere, this is my country, just as much as it is yours. As far as those other countries you mentioned, lift the economic embargoes, and let them breathe, because the American capitalist empire controls the world's reserve currency and international banking system. Much of the world's trade relies on the USD, so when the American elites decide they want to come after your country and impose sanctions, you're up the creek without a paddle. BRICS is now in the process of addressing the problem of American imperial hegemony over the world's financial system and trade, but it's going to take another 15 to 20 years before BRICS can liberate most countries that are under American imperial economic bullying and terrorism. Yes, economic terrorism:

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And our criminal government is pouring weapons into the racist, genocidal, Jewish state of Israel. Not to speak of its deployment of troops in Syria that are stealing that nation's oil reserves, illegally, without any legal grounds, We have 700+ military installations around the world and a "defense" budget of 830 billion dollars this year. Our nation's infrastructure is outdated and crumbling. We have a million Americans homeless, and here we are sending tens of billions of dollars in weapons to Ukraine and tens of billions to Israhell.

 

[ESay]

Trumpers?

Meh

Yeah. I wonder what they would do had Trump not turned his head.

 

[Lesh]

Yeah. I wonder what they would do had Trump not turned his head.

Mourned?

 

[AntonToo]

Pretty good you say? Okay. Too bad a half of your new country doesn't agree with you.

Again you are showing your unfamiliarity with America and it's politics. If a Democrat administration is in office hardcore Republicans are not going to be happy, no matter how well they are personaly doing. This effect is further magnified in the election year because opposition echochamber has vested intrested in talking down the state of the country.


What I'm talking about is based objective socio-economic data, not some politico opinions.

 

[TruthNotBS]

"Liberal Democracy":

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[ESay]

Mourned?

Well, they talk so much about their guns and defending their 'freedom'.

 

[ESay]

People like you have destroyed this country. My grandfather arrived here in 1961 with his wife, and kids, without a penny in his pocket, and got a blue-collar job at Bertram Yachts, spraying yacht molds with fiberglass. In less than five years he bought a three-room house, cash, without a loan from the bank, in South Miami-Dade, Florida, less than two miles from the beach. The home had a front and back yard with mango trees, avocado trees, oranges..etc

AntonToo you think this guy are making things up?

 

[AntonToo]

AntonToo you think this guy are making things up?

This guy?

You want to measure a country by a say-so from some emotionally disturbed socialist nutbag on an online forum?

This is not a serious conversation.

 

[ESay]

This guy?

You want to measure a country by a say-so from some emotionally disturbed socialist nutbag on an online forum?

This is not a serious conversation.

This guy is just the most resent example. Even from my distance I see how your new country is divided.

 

[AntonToo]

This guy is just the most resent example. Even from my distance I see how your new country is divided.

Country SHOULD BE in constant political contest - thats how a healthy, open, democratic deliberation process works.

There are some excesses with malicious mis-information, isolated echo-chambers and etc. but politically egaged society sustains the push to aknowledge, fix problems and advance - to become a more perfect union.

Russia is prime example of all that socio-political deliberative process being completely destroyed and as a result the country is knee deep in shit now because all descision making was left to a power-drunk Czar and his small circle of advisors who have no real opposition.

Too bad your country became the victim of all that fucked up disfunction in Russia - they are just addicted to dictatorial rule.

 

[ESay]

Country SHOULD BE in constant political contest - thats how a healthy, open, democratic deliberation process works.

There are some excesses with malicious mis-information, isolated echo-chambers and etc. but politically egaged society sustains the push to aknowledge, fix problems and advance - to become a more perfect union.

Russia is prime example of all that socio-political deliberative process being completely destroyed and as a result the country is knee deep in shit now because all descision making was left to a power-drunk Czar and his small circle of advisors who have no real opposition.

Too bad your country became the victim of all that fucked up disfunction in Russia - they are just addicted to dictatorial rule.

Constant political contest? I don't consider a handful of clans contesting the office for the last 30 years a constant political contest. Neither a bunch of elected bureaucrats holding their seats for all their lives. Nor the two main parties coming up with the worst candidates possible because of the agenda, catering to extremes, elites etc.

To say nothing about assassination attempts. Though, considering the rich history of such things in your new country, maybe it is okay and part of political contest.

I don't care about Russia. And I wouldn't care about your new homeland hadn't it meddled in my country and intentionally destroyed it for own benefit. Russia and the USA are the biggest threats to stability and peace in Europe.

 

[AntonToo]

Constant political contest? I don't consider a handful of clans contesting the office for the last 30 years a constant political contest. Neither a bunch of elected bureaucrats holding their seats for all their lives. Nor the two main parties coming up with the worst candidates possible because of the agenda, catering to extremes, elites etc.

Ok again, you are clueless. American elections are competetive and are funadamentally driven by people's choices. If a third party candidate is popular they can participate and win the election.

 

[ESay]

Ok again, you are clueless. American elections are competetive and are funadamentally driven by people's choices. If a third party candidate is popular they can participate and win the election.

Yes, I know, in theory all sounds good.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, I know, in theory all sounds good.

In practice we have leaders fundamentally responsible to the people, leaders who get replaced regularly.

I don’t know what system you have in mind that works better in practice.

 

[ESay]

In practice we have leaders fundamentally responsible to the people, leaders who get replaced regularly.

I don’t know what system you have in mind that works better in practice.

That is grait. You like this system, you can have it. All I want is your system to stop being the greatest exporter of instability around the globe. Or at least in Europe.

 

[evenflow1969]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

They had fertile soil and Putin wanted it.

 

[AntonToo]

That is grait. You like this system, you can have it.

Thanks! Hopefully you understand it better now.