What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[TruthNotBS]

Any one else point out to you that you sound like a hate filled emotional wreck?

You're irrational and stupid because one's emotional state has no bearing on whether one's opinions are correct or not. You continually gaslight me, as if that somehow strengthens your position. It's irrelevant, as to whether I'm right and you're wrong, if I'm full of hatred for imperialist, warmongering scumbags like you who serve vested interests at everyone else's expense. You're a jingoist, imperialist piece of shit, and my anger towards you will never render my beliefs incorrect.

 

[AntonToo]

You're irrational and stupid because one's emotional state has no bearing on whether one's opinions are correct or not. You continually gaslight me, as if that somehow strengthens your position. It irrelevant, as to whether I'm right and you're wrong, if I'm full of hatred for imperialist, warmongering scumbags like you who serve vested interests at everyone else's expense. You're a jingoist, imperialist piece of shit, and my anger towards you will never render my beliefs incorrect.

No no, you opinions are dog shit even WITHOUT any of the hate filled emotional nonsense you pour over them.

All you have to do is read your stupid, detached from reality comments a few years from now.

 

[TruthNotBS]

No no, you opinions are dog shit even WITHOUT any of the hate filled emotional nonsense you pour over them.

All you have to do is read your stupid, detached from reality comments a few years from now.

My opinions are what they are, irrespective of my emotional state, so why continue stating I'm full of hatred as if that amounts to anything concerning our discussion? You're a fucking idiot, that's why you continue to gaslight me. Your American capitalist-imperialist ideology that unnecessarily has NATO poking the bear is the actual dog shit, and I'll go further and say you're also dog shit. It's not just your warmongering foreign policy and hypocrisy that is dog shit, but you are dog shit.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Okay, I see. I asked not because I want to know your personal details, but to check if my theory is right. This theory says that at one point the Hispanics in the US will cease to assimilate at all, and will begin to put forward political demands.

I don't believe Hispanics are unified in that way, as one community. Hispanics comprise a wide umbrella of many different cultures that share a Spanish heritage. We Hispanics aren't one race, or ethnic group, or represent a single political ideology, or block as the Jews for example with their AIPAC, or Cubans with their anti-socialist lobbying. We have way too many different political currents running within the Hispanic demographic. I won't even call it a "Hispanic community".

 

[Lesh]

Halfwit punks like you think the US is a "democracy" rather than what it truly is, a plutocratic oligarchy, where 60% of its inhabitants live hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck, and are hardly surviving. Bankrupt with medical bills and student loans, unable to ever afford to buy a house as their parents and grandparents did. Democracy shouldn't just be in politics but in the workplace as well. We should have a well-developed manufacturing base in this country and workers should have the right to unionize without fear of losing their jobs. All full-time workers should get paid a living wage. Assholes like you call that communism because you're a fucking retard.

I have my criticisms of Putin, but he's not half as bad as you portray him, you're just a tool of the American imperialist establishment that wants to balkanize Russia and rape it as it did in the 1990s. If it wasn't for Putin, Russia wouldn't exist today as one nation and federation, but it would've collapsed into many different republics, all under the heel of Western capitalist imperialism.

Spoken like a true Kremlin troll

 

[TruthNotBS]

Spoken like a true Kremlin troll

 

[sartre play]

This is what Russian propaganda would want you to believe, that Ukraine is full of Nazis.

That just isn’t really true.

Do not no how many Nazis live in Ukraine? do you?
And exactly what would that have to do with Ukraine wanting to be Free & NOT RULED BY A dictator?

 

[Marener]

Do not no how many Nazis live in Ukraine? do you?
And exactly what would that have to do with Ukraine wanting to be Free & NOT RULED BY A dictator?

Was it the Nazis that elected a Jewish president?

 

[sartre play]

Or ended. Yesterday.

I'll say it.

And what would the richest man who ever lived need with more money?

POWER, Rich men want to run everything there way, And The hell with the rest of us.

 

[AntonToo]

Halfwit punks like you think the US is a "democracy" rather than what it truly is, a plutocratic oligarchy, where 60% of its inhabitants live hand to mouth, paycheck to paycheck, and are hardly surviving. Bankrupt with medical bills and student loans, unable to ever afford to buy a house as their parents and grandparents did. Democracy shouldn't just be in politics but in the workplace as well.

Thats is some crazy ass Soviet style nutbag nonsense.

We are a true democracy in it's modern sense and American government is unquestionably responsible to the people. We have freedom of speech, protest and media along with independent courts to protect it. When we are not satisfied with our representatives they get thrown out of office.

Open democratic governing, along with private ownership and bussiness is at the very core of American success, even if there are some reasonable layers of regulation like anti-monopoly laws.

You really ought to go live in one of your represive communist paradises like Cuba or North Korea. So you can really get some perspective on the meaning of "hardly surviving".

 

[sartre play]

If Russia has always been one of the Allies during both WWI & WWII when and how did they end up at odds with the United States? All I can remember from grade school when first learning about Russia is that they were the "bad guys" in the scenario because they were communist, practiced "propaganda", and that most of the people were poor, miserable and cold and had to stand in bread lines.

I know that's pathetic but that's what I remember from what was probably 4th grade history.

That's also how I remember it from way back when.

 

[sartre play]

At what cost are they "winning" (being forced to "win")"

Number of civilian casualties during the war in Ukraine 2022-2024

How many people have died during the war in Ukraine?​

OHCHR has estimated the number of deaths of civilians, or non-armed individuals, in Ukraine at 11,520 since the start of the war on February 24, 2022. The highest death toll was recorded in March 2022, at over 3,900. The figures on soldier deaths are reported by Russia and Ukraine’s governmental authorities, but they cannot be verified at this point and thus need to be taken with caution.

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Before-and-after photos capture devastation in Ukraine from Russian strikes​

By
Emily Crane
Published March 3, 2022
Updated March 3, 2022, 12:33 p.m. ET

A bombed residential building on Feb. 26, 2022, in Kyiv, and the same building in May 2015.Chris McGrath/Getty Images; Google Maps

Harrowing before-and-after photos have captured the deadly devastation inflicted on Ukraine in the last week as Russian forces continue to lay siege to cities across the country.

The Kremlin’s escalating shelling attacks on populated areas of Ukraine have destroyed buildings and left rubble strewn across streets and plazas.

An airstrike obliterated an administrative building in Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv, on Tuesday — with the huge blast leaving the central square piled high with debris and burned-out vehicles.
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Rubble covers the ground in Svobody Square after the shelling by Russian invaders affected the Kharkiv regional state administrative building on March 1, 2022.Vyacheslav Madiyevskyy/ Ukrinform/Future Publishing via Getty Images
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The same view of Svobody Square in June 2015.Google Maps

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Firefighters work to contain a fire at the economics department building of Karazin Kharkiv National University, allegedly hit during recent shelling by Russia on March 2, 2022.SERGEY BOBOK/AFP via Getty Images

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The economics department building at Karazin Kharkiv National University in June 2015.Google Maps
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A view of a destroyed bridge on March 1, 2022, in Irpin, Ukraine.Anastasia Vlasova/Getty Images
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The bridge in Irpin, Ukraine, in April 2018.Google Maps
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Firefighters and emergency services in the vicinity of the bombed civilian building in a residential area on Feb. 26, 2022, in Kyiv, Ukraine.Diego Herrera/Europa Press via Getty Images
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The civilian building in a residential area in May 2015.Google Maps
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A destroyed jewelry shop after a missile launched by Russian invaders hit near the Kharkiv regional state administrative building in Svobody Square.Vyacheslav Madiyevskyy/ Ukrinform/Future Publishing via Getty Images
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The jewelry shop near the Kharkiv regional state administrative building in Svobody Square in June 2015.Google Maps
Just a day later, one of the buildings at the nearby Karazin Kharkiv National University was left burning after a missile struck.
Meanwhile, firefighters in Kyiv were left battling blazes earlier this week when strikes targeted a number of residential buildings.
And residential buildings and bridges were destroyed in Irpin, just outside Kyiv, on Tuesday and Wednesday as Russian forces inched closer to Ukraine’s capital city.
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A view of the central square following shelling of the city hall building in Kharkiv, Ukraine, on March 1, 2022.AP Photo/Pavel Dorogoy
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The same view of Kharkiv’s city hall in June 2015.Google Maps
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Damages after the shelling by Russian forces of Constitution Square in Kharkiv, Ukraine’s second-biggest city, on March 2, 2022.SERGEY BOBOK/AFP via Getty Images
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Constitution Square in Kharkiv in June 2015.Google Maps
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Firefighters try to extinguish a fire at a bombed civilian building in a residential area on Feb. 26, 2022, in Kyiv, Ukraine.Diego Herrera/Europa Press via Getty Images
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The civilian building in a residential area in May 2015.Google Maps
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Bomb damage to the facade of a 10-story building on Feb. 25, 2022, in the Kharkivsky district of Kyiv, Ukraine.Laurent Van der Stockt for Le Monde/Getty Images
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The 10-story building in September 2020.Google Maps
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A residential building destroyed by recent shelling in the city of Irpin in the Kyiv region of Ukraine, March 2, 2022.REUTERS/Serhii Nuzhnenko
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The residential building in Irpin, Ukraine, in May 2015.Google Maps

Before-and-after photos capture devastation in Ukraine from Russian strikes

Thank you for the photos, We need to be reminded that War is hell.

 

[sartre play]

But at the same time, those Russo-Ukrainians are terrorized by pro-Western, anti-Russian Ukrainian nationalists. All pro-Russian, Ukrainian media was barred from the country, way before Russia's invasion. Why should Russo-Ukrainians accept the results of the 2014 coup, which ousted the democratically elected president of Ukraine, which they voted for and elected? A president that was friendly or at least neutral towards Russia. Why should Russo-Ukrainian side with pro-Western Ukrainians, in their coup and bullying against Ukrainians that lean towards Russia? Some of the changes that were imposed upon the Ukrainian population, was seen as anti-Russian and hence anti-Russo-Ukrainian.

Key legislative changes include:

1. 2019 Language Law: Kyiv passed a law in 2019 that mandated the use of Ukrainian in most aspects of public life, including education, government, and media. The law requires public officials, teachers, and healthcare workers to exclusively use Ukrainian in their professional activities. Media outlets are also required to have a certain percentage of Ukrainian-language content. That's not how Russo-Ukrainians function in much of the Donbas region.
2. Education Law (2017): This law required that Ukrainian be the only language of instruction in schools.
3. Media and Broadcasting Regulations: There have been regulations requiring TV and radio stations to broadcast most of their content in Ukrainian, which dramatically diminished the use of Russian in mainstream media.

. The crisis in Ukraine wasn’t sparked by Russia, it was ignited by the illegal, Western-backed coup in 2014 that overthrew a democratically elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. Why? Because he dared to reject a trade deal with the EU that would have subordinated Ukraine to Western economic interests, opting instead for closer ties with Russia, which historically has been a natural ally. The Euromaidan wasn't some organic "people’s revolution." It was orchestrated and funded by the U.S. and EU to install a pro-Western puppet government, one that serves NATO’s interests, not Ukraine's.

The so-called "civil war" in Donbas? It wasn’t some random uprising, it was the direct result of this coup and the West's open hostility toward Russian-speaking Ukrainians. People in Donetsk and Luhansk rejected the illegal regime change, and rightfully so. The Ukrainian government, with its new ultra-nationalist and even fascist elements, immediately turned against its own people in the East, launching military operations against civilians who simply wanted autonomy and the right to speak their own language without being targeted by government forces. Where was your concern for democracy and human rights when Kyiv was shelling Donbas for eight years, causing thousands of civilian deaths?

Moreover, How would the U.S. react if Russia started putting military bases in Canada or Mexico? NATO’s expansion into Eastern Europe is a blatant violation of the promises made to Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union. It’s a direct threat to Russian security, and Ukraine joining NATO would be the final straw. Russia has made its red lines clear for decades, and the West ignored them, thinking they could push Moscow without consequences. This invasion isn’t an act of aggression; it’s a necessary step to protect Russian interests and to prevent NATO from turning Ukraine into a forward operating base on Russia’s border.

As for Zelensky, he’s nothing more than a Western puppet, a figurehead propped up to push Ukraine further into NATO's orbit and turn the country into a battleground against Russia. Instead of being a leader who unites Ukraine, he’s deepened the divisions by persecuting Russian-speaking Ukrainians and fueling the war in Donbas. His government has systematically discriminated against Russian speakers, banning the Russian language in schools and the media. This is cultural genocide, plain and simple. What kind of democracy marginalizes 30-40% of its own population?

You American liberals are full of shit, including the conservative Republicans that support Zelensky.

Am happy to have ANY country that is a supporter of AMERICA. That joining together in WW2 is how we saved the world.

 

[AntonToo]

That's also how I remember it from way back when.

I also remember that...not from some American movie, but from my childhood in USSR.

 

[AntonToo]

Of course clueless. Maybe at some point you will get out of your matrix of 1980-90ss where America for you was a shining example of freedom, democracy and prosperity, and get to read some books about a working class living 'in US or another developed western democracy' before the mid 20th century.

What about it? We are not in mid 20th century last I checked.

 

[AntonToo]

How do you figure, I'm not American? I was born and raised in America, and served in the military for 8 years. I'm more American than you'll ever be.

Maybe thats how:

Send them to the American empire, doomed to implode, collapsing on itself like a tree rotting from within.

 

[ESay]

What about it? We are not in mid 20th century last I checked.

Yeah, too bad for you. Your American dream may be smashed.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Maybe thats how:

What a hypocrite, you're the one who wants the Putin regime to collapse, yet you're still a Russian patriot, who loves Russia. Right? I'm a anti-imperialist American, that recognizes that his country is dominated by vested interests, not the public good. So again, you expose yourself as the two-faced hypocrite and piece of shit that you are.

 

[AntonToo]

Yeah, too bad for you. Your American dream may be smashed.

what the?

You are not being coherent.

 

[ESay]

what the?

You are not being coherent.

You don't understand what I mean? 1950s-and to our days has been the golden age for 'the developed western democracies'. This period is edging to an end.