(Israel) Exploding Pagers In Lebanon! Is This Terrorism? | Candace Ep 67

[rylah]

On PBS radio last night, there was a former Israeli general who believes that an Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon is possible in the next few weeks or months.

One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. Zionists used what you might call terrorist methods against British civilians prior to 1948.

For who's freedom is Lebanon fighting

when launching rockets into Israel?

Say one rational thing.

 

[White 6]

Explosives are fun to work with. You just have to know them and don't do anything stupid.

I love working with C4.

If someone's charge didn't go off they would tape off the area and give it time to eventually explode, or they would call in EOD to make sure it was safe.
It depended on the type of explosive.

One time we daisy-chained a bunch of Four Deuce Mortars together with Detcord and timing fuse. 400 lbs of explosive. We got a mushroom cloud of that one. Cleared out all of the weeds for about 50 meters in all directions. If we had tamped them, the explosive force would have been multiplied.
My favorite charge for room entering was 7 wraps of Detcord taped in between two IV bags. You can turn a metal door into an ashtray with that.

Sound very cool. I have never detonated off the training range

I’m just curious here do you View this whole thing like a James Bond movie? There are real world repercussions for what Israel did in Lebanon. The precedent it set.

Sure the people of Israel possess military tactics and skills. They know what they are doing with electronics and rigging devices. OK, talk about that all you want. Which by the way goes to show we should not send any military equipment or money to Israel. They don’t need it. They have a very strong military with nuclear arms. And a lot of people in Israel don’t want American aid. The American military industrial complex shut down an Israeli military jet program in the 1980s. Some pro Israel people don’t even know about that.

What do you think would happen If thousands of laptops exploded in America killing American servicemen and civilians. How do you think the country would react to it. What do you think it’s gonna happen in Lebanon? How are the Lebanese people going to react. Because I’ve already heard Lebanese Christians and Muslims interviewed about this and they are furious with Israel.

All reports are of it being a tageted, tactical attack on pagers and communications deviced belonging to members of Hezbollah Militia, command and control as well as lower level Hezbollah on the streets. Enemy communications assets are valid targets under international las. I have no problem with that, and they will not be taking reactions out on me. I do not approve of terrorist organizations, maybe, you do.

 

[Freedomisneverfree]

They've already moved on to Walkie Talkies. What's next, cell phones?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

A problem is that we are totally at the mercy of Israel when it comes to these booby trapped devices. Even with the most meticulous management and logistics it is impossible to guarantee 100% that no sabotaged device has been used by a non-Hezbollah actor. These devices were manufactured by a false "front" company and that company, its standards, practices, handling of explosives and so on - is in essence a terrorist organization.

FFS this is what terrorists do, they make bombs and embed them within communities, the scale of what the Israelis have done is off the scale, who know whether some devices have found their way into schools, hospitals, airports and so on and might be used by people who have nothing to do with the fight against Zionism.

It is beyond irresponsible, it is terrorism, which is what the Zionists have been doing for over a hundred years.

The Israelis simply do not care who gets hurt or killed, they simply do not care whatsoever who or how many ordinary people get their lives destroyed, the entire Israeli system is evil.

If this were any other country the press would call it what it is, terrorism, but the emasculated effete western world is subservient to Zionism, that's how deeply we are infiltrated by the Zionist tentacles, grown adults, politicians, reporters are all scared of Israel - that's not right, something has to be done about this.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They've already moved on to Walkie Talkies. What's next, cell phones?

Maybe kids toy cars? after all if a kid has a dad/uncle in Hezbollah then that's a fair target to a Zionist, who cares if a kid dies, so long as there's a reasonable chance some adult who might deserve to be extra judicially executed is around when it explodes.

Or how about shoes/boots? if Hezbollah generally wear a certain design and brand of boot, then let's start making fakes with bombs in the heels and just detonate them from time to time, sure a few kids and a few old people might get killed or maimed, but so what.

The dingbats here need to understand that Israel DOES NOT CARE WHO GETS KILLED that's their policy, that's why they are prepared to kill their own soldiers or even kill Israelis along with Hamas, they are insane and totally amoral, this is what you support when you applaud the Israelis.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

More depravity from the reincarnated Third Reich (although that's an insult to the Nazis)

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Sound very cool. I have never detonated off the training range

All reports are of it being a tageted, tactical attack on pagers and communications deviced belonging to members of Hezbollah Militia, command and control as well as lower level Hezbollah on the streets. Enemy communications assets are valid targets under international las. I have no problem with that, and they will not be taking reactions out on me. I do not approve of terrorist organizations, maybe, you do.

I don’t believe in using the word terrorist. But obviously it’s very popular in the media now. Again, one man’s terrorist is another man’ freedom fighter. The American revolutionaries would’ve been viewed as terrorists by the British crown.

Frankly, I think the word terrorist is just a copout. It doesn’t have to be used because there are people in this world who commit horrible acts. They don’t need to be called a terrorist. Just call them a criminal. Do you think the Zionists who blew up the king David hotel in 1946 were terrorists? Because they killed a bunch of British civilians. So are you gonna call them terrorist? I think the better term maybe is to call them criminals . But those Zionists also thought that their actions were necessary in the pursuit of establishing Israel. They also lacked a conventional military something that Palestine lacks today.. Please keep this in mind.


As discussed by other posters in this thread, there are problems with this idea that Israel was abiding by international laws when they attacked Lebanon wrt the “pager attack”. Now you keep saying precision strikes. Sorry that’s not going to cut it. These pagers and devices blew up in massive numbers, all across the country, causing chaos.

An Israeli spokesperson who was interviewed by Pierce Morgan said that if Israeli military personnel were targeted in Tel Aviv like Hezbollah was by the mossad …. He would not consider it terrorism ….he would considerate a legitimate act. Yet if such an action actually occurred how do you think the US political machine would respond to that? And how do you think the Israeli population would respond to that? The point here is the ramifications of Israel’s attack on Lebanon whatever you wanna call it a precision strike or not… the Lebanese people are furious with this. And the action surely will have a response from Lebanon and possibly lead to a regional war. Which is not good for the global world.

Even a former Israeli general was on PBS radio saying that a Middle East without strong American leadership is dangerous. He thinks Biden is a weak leader.

 

[buttercup]

Important for people to take a step back and breathe in this topic. I recognize the arguments from both sides in this debate. Israel like any country including Lebanon has a right to defend itself.

Thing is who can recall anything like this happening before in history. And the precedent it sets around the world. Here’s the thing if Israel can do this frankly anybody can. What can this lead to? what if somebody targets iPhone users in America or anywhere in the world.?

And looking at the type of attack, Israel carried out. When you explode thousands of pages at once it can be viewed as a terrorist action because kids can get killed from that kind of stuff. And a few kids did die and more got injured by this Israeli operation

Also Lebanon is a country that is half Christian. Israel can’t play the whole Muslim card on this game. If they think of invading Lebanon btw , they’re going to be fighting a lot of Christians…. They need to think about the optics of this one.

I haven't watched the whole video yet, but I agree with her first point.... that all of this is about escalating the "war" and ultimately going to war with Iran. Which, btw, has been a goal of the globalists for a very long time.

I've posted this before, but I'll post it again. Straight from the horse's mouth....




And another one openly admitting that war with Iran has been one of their goals for a very long time.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I mean this is a society were the men who raped male non-Jew prisoners, are applauded and celebrated and interviewed on evening talk shows, there's a serious problem here, no matter what the Israelis do they get away with it because they've emasculated all but their victims. Any other country doing a fraction of what Israel does, would already have been bombed.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

For those who haven't seen this before its revealing, like the Nazis these maniacs speak very matter of factly, in this case about demolishing Arab homes when a family member is arrested or found guilty of some contrived crime or other. The way this scumbag talks about the victims tells me all I need to know, he is a Jew supremacist, entitled, slob, there's no concept of morality here, no wonder God punished Israel/Judah in the past and saw them scattered to the winds, perhaps Israel/Judah was organized like Zionism and their neighbors finally said "enough is enough".

 

[White 6]

I don’t believe in using the word terrorist. But obviously it’s very popular in the media now. Again, one man’s terrorist is another man’ freedom fighter. The American revolutionaries would’ve been viewed as terrorists by the British crown.

Frankly, I think the word terrorist is just a copout. It doesn’t have to be used because there are people in this world who commit horrible acts. They don’t need to be called a terrorist. Just call them a criminal. Do you think the Zionists who blew up the king David hotel in 1946 were terrorists? Because they killed a bunch of British civilians. So are you gonna call them terrorist? I think the better term maybe is to call them criminals . But those Zionists also thought that their actions were necessary in the pursuit of establishing Israel. They also lacked a conventional military something that Palestine lacks today.. Please keep this in mind.


As discussed by other posters in this thread, there are problems with this idea that Israel was abiding by international laws when they attacked Lebanon wrt the “pager attack”. Now you keep saying precision strikes. Sorry that’s not going to cut it. These pagers and devices blew up in massive numbers, all across the country, causing chaos.

An Israeli spokesperson who was interviewed by Pierce Morgan said that if Israeli military personnel were targeted in Tel Aviv like Hezbollah was by the mossad …. He would not consider it terrorism ….he would considerate a legitimate act. Yet if such an action actually occurred how do you think the US political machine would respond to that? And how do you think the Israeli population would respond to that? The point here is the ramifications of Israel’s attack on Lebanon whatever you wanna call it a precision strike or not… the Lebanese people are furious with this. And the action surely will have a response from Lebanon and possibly lead to a regional war. Which is not good for the global world.

Even a former Israeli general was on PBS radio saying that a Middle East without strong American leadership is dangerous. He thinks Biden is a weak leader.

So you are Anti-American as well as Anti-Israel. They have been a know terrorist group, identified by the US Government since 1997, due to it history of carrying out international terrorist acts going back to the 1980s, so this isn't new information or sudden change. They are well know as terrorist for a long time.
Hezbollah is reputed to have been among the first Islamic resistance groups in the Middle East to use the tactics of suicide bombing, assassination, and capturing foreign soldiers,[49] as well as murders[99] and hijackings.
Hezbollah has been linked to:

Hezbollah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes. They are well known as terrorists across the world.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

So you are Anti-American as well as Anti-Israel. The have been a know terrorist group, identified by the US Government since 1997, due to it history of carrying out international terrorist acts going back to the 1980s, so this isn't new information or sudden change. The are well know as terrorist for a long time.
Hezbollah is reputed to have been among the first Islamic resistance groups in the Middle East to use the tactics of suicide bombing, assassination, and capturing foreign soldiers,[49] as well as murders[99] and hijackings.
Hezbollah has been linked to:
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Hezbollah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes. They are well known as terrorists across the world.

Not gonna reply to a post when you make up my views

 

[toomuchtime_]

look into it. Various Zionists committed what many would call terrorist acts against British civilians prior to Israel being created in 1948. They did so as an intimidation measure because they lacked conventional military methods. And so if Zionists today lacked conventional military methods they would be doing what Hamas has done. The IRA of the 20th century accused by some of the pro British people as “terrorists” were actually admired by both the Israeli and Palestinian side because of their fight for freedom and the struggle for Irish independence. Keep that in mind I think it’s quite interesting personally. A lot of Israelis admire the Irishman who took part in the Easter rising, which paved way for the independence of the Republic of Ireland.

Prior to 1948 there were both Zionist and Palestinian nationalist who believed in wiping out the other side. They did not define the viewpoint of all Palestinians or all Zionist. This is critical to keep in mind. There were Palestinian Arabs who said Jews could live in a future Palestinian state as equals.


It’s about humanizing people, and realizing that the human nature is similar when it comes to the Palestinian in the Israeli. I don’t hate anybody. The idea that all israelis or all Palestinians are bad is obviously wrong. I’m not saying you’re saying this, but there is divisive rhetoric from both sides that make these claims.

Not a word of that is true. While the Arabs openly declared their intention to wipe out the Jews, in its Declaration of Independence, Israel asked the Arabs to stay and promised all the same rights and freedoms they Jews would enjoy if they did.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

The Avalon Project : Declaration of Israel's Independence 1948

In response to this, the Arabs launched what they called a war of extermination against the Jews.

British civilians may have been attacked by the Irish, but they were not attacked by the Jews in Palestine.

Throughout history, Jews had been barely tolerated second class citizens in Muslim states, and during the negotiations at the UN that led to the Partition resolution the Arabs refused to guarantee and rights to the Jews of Palestine.

From the first days of the British occupation of Palestine, the Jews sought to live in peace with the Arabs and the Arabs openly declared their intention to wipe out the Jews. There is no moral equivalence between them.

 

[White 6]

Not gonna reply to a post when you make up my views

It you think Hezbollah is not a terrorists organization, you do not reflect a view supporting the United States and several other countries. I do not care if you try to deny it or not. It is, what it is.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Not a word of that is true. While the Arabs openly declared their intention to wipe out the Jews, in its Declaration of Independence, Israel asked the Arabs to stay and promised all the same rights and freedoms they Jews would enjoy if they did.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL will be open for Jewish immigration and for the Ingathering of the Exiles; it will foster the development of the country for the benefit of all its inhabitants; it will be based on freedom, justice and peace as envisaged by the prophets of Israel; it will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex; it will guarantee freedom of religion, conscience, language, education and culture; it will safeguard the Holy Places of all religions; and it will be faithful to the principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

THE STATE OF ISRAEL is prepared to cooperate with the agencies and representatives of the United Nations in implementing the resolution of the General Assembly of the 29th November, 1947, and will take steps to bring about the economic union of the whole of Eretz-Israel.

WE APPEAL to the United Nations to assist the Jewish people in the building-up of its State and to receive the State of Israel into the comity of nations.

WE APPEAL - in the very midst of the onslaught launched against us now for months - to the Arab inhabitants of the State of Israel to preserve peace and participate in the upbuilding of the State on the basis of full and equal citizenship and due representation in all its provisional and permanent institutions.

The Avalon Project : Declaration of Israel's Independence 1948

In response to this, the Arabs launched what they called a war of extermination against the Jews.

British civilians may have been attacked by the Irish, but they were not attacked by the Jews in Palestine.

Throughout history, Jews had been barely tolerated second class citizens in Muslim states, and during the negotiations at the UN that led to the Partition resolution the Arabs refused to guarantee and rights to the Jews of Palestine.

From the first days of the British occupation of Palestine, the Jews sought to live in peace with the Arabs and the Arabs openly declared their intention to wipe out the Jews. There is no moral equivalence between them.

With respect your trolling

I don’t think you’re reading my entire post. You’re clearly not responding to the core points. You did not mention the king David hotel bombing once, not once.

Irgun committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab

Irgun Zvai Leumi | Meaning, Israel, Etzel, & Ideology | Britannica

Irgun Zvai Leumi, Jewish right-wing underground movement in Palestine, founded in 1931. At first supported by many nonsocialist Zionist parties, in opposition to the Haganah, it became in 1936 an instrument of the Revisionist Party, an extreme nationalist group that had seceded from the World...

www.britannica.com

are you’re engaging in racism against Arabs. I have nothing against Jews if you have something against Arabs, you’re racist. Also keep in mind many Arabs or Jews so you’re presenting it self-defeating argument.

I’m going to ask you straight up do you have a negative opinion of Islam? Do you have a negative opinion of Arab Christians and Muslims? Because I have a positive opinion of Judaism and a positive opinion of Jewish people. So go ahead tell us what you think honestly.


White 6 is engaging in similar behavior… he took no care to respond to the core points I listed …and proceeded to tell me how I think about the issues.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

It you think Hezbollah is not a terrorists organization, you do not reflect a view supporting the United States and several other countries. I do not care if you try to deny it or not. It is, what it is.

No, I don’t believe in using the word terrorist…it’s politically loaded ..I didn’t really care for Hezbollah. But they’re not on the same level as Hamas. That’s what an IDF spokesperson said as they claimed that Hezbollah does not reside around civilians as Hamas does

I think you’re blatantly trolling at this point. Here’s the critical point I will make if Israelis or Zionist lactic conventional army. They would be engaging in the same tactics as Hamas…. Just like Zionists did before 1948.



You’re doing a poor job of carrying on a conversation. I wonder if you thought the American revolutionaries were terrorists.

You’ve made no comment on Israelis who have killed civilians. Like in the Jing David hotel bombing.

 

[White 6]

No, I don’t believe in using the word terrorist…it’s politically loaded ..I didn’t really care for Hezbollah. But they’re not on the same level as Hamas. That’s what an IDF spokesperson said as they claimed that Hezbollah does not reside around civilians as Hamas does

I think you’re blatantly trolling at this point. Here’s the critical point I will make if Israelis or Zionist lactic conventional army. They would be engaging in the same tactics as Hamas…. Just like Zionists did before 1948.



You’re doing a poor job of carrying on a conversation. I wonder if you thought the American revolutionaries were terrorists.

You’ve made no comment on Israelis who have killed civilians. Like in the Jing David hotel bombing.

Simply responding to what you say. I support Israel, not the Terrorist in Hezbollah or Palestine. And Terrorist is what Hezbollah is, whether you like the word or not.

 

[toomuchtime_]

With respect your trolling

I don’t think you’re reading my entire post. You’re clearly not responding to the core points. You did not mention the king David hotel bombing once, not once.

Irgun committed acts of terrorism and assassination against the British, whom it regarded as illegal occupiers, and it was also violently anti-Arab

Irgun Zvai Leumi | Meaning, Israel, Etzel, & Ideology | Britannica

Irgun Zvai Leumi, Jewish right-wing underground movement in Palestine, founded in 1931. At first supported by many nonsocialist Zionist parties, in opposition to the Haganah, it became in 1936 an instrument of the Revisionist Party, an extreme nationalist group that had seceded from the World...

www.britannica.com

are you’re engaging in racism against Arabs. I have nothing against Jews if you have something against Arabs, you’re racist. Also keep in mind many Arabs or Jews so you’re presenting it self-defeating argument.

I’m going to ask you straight up do you have a negative opinion of Islam? Do you have a negative opinion of Arab Christians and Muslims? Because I have a positive opinion of Judaism and a positive opinion of Jewish people. So go ahead tell us what you think honestly.


White 6 is engaging in similar behavior… he took no care to respond to the core points I listed …and proceeded to tell me how I think about the issues.

I read your entire post and it is nonsense. First, the British military and colonial office had taken over the wing of the King David hotel that Irgun blew up so no British civilians were targeted, and it was not an act of terrorism. Even so, Irgun telephoned the British and told them to evacuate the building, but the British foolishly declined and didn't find the explosives until it was too late. It was an act of war against British colonial rule, but not an act of terrorism, and it broke the back of British colonialism in Palestine and made the creation of the state of Israel possible.

All through the 1920's, the Arabs attacked the Jews with the clear intent to drive them out of Palestine, but the Yishuv, which the British recognized as the de facto government of the Jews, largely depended on the British to protect them, but by 1930, it became clear that the British could not be counted on to offer effective protection against Arab attacks and that the British had decided, contrary to their former promises, not to allow the Jews to form a Jewish homeland in Palestine, so in 1930, after a decade of deceit by the British and attacks by the Arabs. Irgun was formed primarily to force the British out of Palestine, but they also adopted a policy of retaliating against any Arab village or other organization that was attacking Jews and while some of these retaliations were quite bloody, they were not acts of terrorism since they were not using violence to bring about political change but only to discourage the Arabs from attacking Jews.

From the early years of Islamic civilization, Muslim jurists, basing on Qur’anic directives, devised an elaborate hierarchy in which monotheistic non-Muslims, such as Christians and Jews, would be “protected” at a low level and tolerated as second-class citizens. Guidelines for their treatment were embodied in the “Pact of ‘Umar.” Limitations on the status of non-Muslims included discriminatory clothing regulations and occupational restrictions. Non-Muslims were required to pay a poll tax (jizya) as well as discriminatory taxes on agricultural produce.

“Ornament of the World” and the Jews of Spain

At times tolerant, at other times intensely intolerant, Spain’s intergroup relations formed a fragile coexistence of Muslims, Christians, and Jews. Although often tenuous, the coexistence of diverse languages, peoples, and religions produced an extraordinary symbiosis and distinctive...

www.neh.gov

Having separate laws for Jews made Muslim states apartheid states, and this was still the Muslim culture when the British occupation of Palestine began and is the reason for the Arabs' violent response to Jews being equal to Muslims under British rule.

So does your refusal to recognize Islam's passionate hatred of Jews make you a racist?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

make if Israelis or Zionist lactic conventional army

What’s a Zionist tactic?

I’d love to know.

 

[braalian]

You mean like the firebombing of Dresden, which had no military or strategic value whatsoever?

Of course the fire bombing of Dresden had strategic value during WWII.

Churchill and the British government very bluntly stated the the objective was to destroy homes and infrastructure and rack up civilian casualties to destroy the German morale to carry on the war that THEY (Germany) started.

Germany invaded and occupied free, democratic nations like Poland and France and threatened to invade Britain itself.

If they didn’t want their own cities firebombed, they should have immediately surrendered unconditionally and evacuated all occupied territories.

They reaped what they had sowed