What Offense Did the Ukrainian People Commit That Caused Them to Be Bombed into Oblivion by The Russian Military at the Command of Putin?

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

As I understand it, it was because Ukraine was making a bid to join NATO. On the one hand it’s a legitimate concern for Russia to have NATO at their back door but on the other, it’s hardly justification for starting a war.

There may be more to it than that but as I said, it’s my understanding of the situation.

 

[shockedcanadian]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

They existed as a break-away province of the former Soviet Union post-collapse.

That angers their former overlords.

 

[excalibur]

They voted for Zelensky the warmonger, power mad, money grabber.

 

[Lesh]

Putin is trying to constitute the Soviet Union

Full stop

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Zelensky is the problem.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

They voted for Zelensky the warmonger, power mad, money grabber.

But has or had Zelensky ever shown any aggression or taken any action against Russia, not counting actions taken in defense of Ukraine since Russian began this war against them?

 

[AntonToo]

They voted for Zelensky the warmonger, power mad, money grabber.

Russia has invaded Ukraine in 2014, 5 years before Zelensky became the president.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Putin is trying to constitute the Soviet Union

Full stop

So Putin considers Ukraine sort of as a way-ward child? Or in a way similar to how the United States didn't want the south to secede and fought a war to reunite the U.S.?

 

[AntonToo]

Zelensky is the problem.

It was Russia that invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.

You consistently confuse up from down.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Zelensky is the problem.

Starting when and what specifically did he do to draw Putin's ire?

 

[Billiejeens]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

Who cares

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

Putin is steeped in old Russian mythology and wants to leave a legacy. He sees Ukraine as belonging to the Russian empire. Same for Finland and Georgia. But Finland would have kicked his ass swiftly, so he invades places like Ukraine and Georgia.

 

[irosie91]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

some time ago the RUSSIAN EMPIRE owned the Ukraine. The Ukraine did not particularly LIKE the idea---but it was OWNED by the RUSSIAN EMPIRE. Some time ago, Israel was invaded by arab muslims and OWNED by the "caliphate"------SEE? same thing

 

[Blaster]

The Ukrainian dictator never attempted to forge a peace agreement with Putin.

 

[Billiejeens]

So Putin considers Ukraine sort of as a way-ward child? Or in a way similar to how the United States didn't want the south to secede and fought a war to reunited the U.S.?

That's actually a great analogy

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

As I understand it, it was because Ukraine was making a bid to join NATO. On the one hand it’s a legitimate concern for Russia to have NATO at their back door but on the other, it’s hardly justification for starting a war.

There may be more to it than that but as I said, it’s my understanding of the situation.

Well Cuba is in our back yard but we never used that as justification to attack them.

We came really close once, but it didn't happen thankfully:

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for CIA operatives to both stage and commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blame them on the Cuban government, and use them to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the remote control of civilian aircraft which would be secretly repainted as US Air Force planes,[2] a fabricated 'shoot down' of a US Air Force fighter aircraft off the coast of Cuba, the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,[3] blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating terrorism in U.S. cities.[2] [4] The proposals were rejected by President John F. Kennedy.[5][6][7]​

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

The Ukrainian dictator never attempted to forge a peace agreement with Putin.

Dumb. Peace is what there was before Russia invaded. Putin violated their treaty, not Ukraine.

 

[theHawk]

In thinking about why Israel is destroying Gaza and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians, it caused me, in comparison, to wonder why Putin began bombing Ukraine. I honestly could not remember why this all began.

I'm sure we all agree that retaliating for having been attacked and having your citizens abducted and killed is more than reason enough to go after the perpetrators, even if we do not necessarily agree with how they are going about carrying this out. But what I'm struck with at the moment is how Putin was NOT defending Russia, or retaliating for an attack against the country and its people. This wholesale slaughter of innocent people seems to be based on ideology?

Ukraine has been in a civil war since 2014.

Educate yourself.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

That's actually a great analogy

Okay thanks. So this is kind of off on a tangent, but aside from the whole states rights & slavery issues, what was the United States fearful of had the south successfully seceded and founded their own country? What dangers would that have posed to the Union?